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RE: Canadians - 7/16/2010 1:02:04 PM   
xj900uk

 

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Status: offline 		Now have two Canadian Kittyhawk squadrons ruling the skies (aided and abetted by a NZ squadron which recently upgraded to Hurricanes) above PM. Also the Winnipeg rifles have just disembarked (successfully, 6 Beatties down and no hits) and are getting combat ready (the date is 25.02.42)

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RE: Canadians - 7/16/2010 6:02:03 PM   
Gunner98

 

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Status: offline 		Lots of good stuff so far, a couple other comments.

By 1944, ~40% of Bomber Command was Cdn.

There were two Ftr and one bomber Sqn committed to the Kiska campaign - this was considered 'Defence of North America' so 13 Bde commanded by Brig Foster (who also commanded one of the assault Bdes at Normandy) which was NRMA (National Resource Mobilization Act) and not eligible for deployment oversees was available for this action.

6th Cdn Div was nominated for the Pacific Campaign after the fall of Germany, there were ~80,000 volunteers for a 30,000 man commitment but the motivation of many who deployed to Europe in 1939 was to get home on a 'fast track' to get reorganized - they were betting on not being deployed.

1st Cdn Army by Feb 45 consisted of:
I Cdn Corps (just in from Italy) 1st Inf, 5th Armd Divs, 1 AGRA, 21 Ind Armd Bde and lots of other bits (was not in ops NWE until Mar)
II Cdn Corps (estb in Normandy 15 Jul 44) 2nd Inf, 3rd Inf, 4th Armd, 1st Polish Armd, 2 AGRA, 22nd Ind Armd Bde and other bits
XXX Brit Corps 3 then 4 Inf Divs and an AGRA (4th I think)
Had a US Corps under command for a while as well (can't find the ref at the moment)
Also included were
1st Belgian Inf Bde
Royal Netherlands Bde (Princess Irene's)
For some months 1st Cdn Army was the largest in NWE but the number of Cdns remained fairly constant at first 3 then 5 Divisions, 2 Amd Bds and 2 AGRA's.

As a percentage of population. It is my understanding that Canada's commitment was slightly higher than NZ and slightly lower than Oz but the numbers are debatable several ways. We had a 1939 population of 11.2 Million with 1.1 Million (92% volunteer) in uniform or 9.65% of the population. (Stacey, The Canadian Army 1939-1945 pp309-11)

Off topic but interesting.
1st Cdn Div arrived in France with BEF 2 (14-17 June 40) at Brest along with 52nd Brit Div, and were in France- Brest and points East for about 72 hours. Ordered to abandon all equipment and return to the UK. One of the Artillery units refused (anecdotally with drawn pistols) and re-loaded its guns. One of there original 25Lbrs was written off in a traffic accident so they stole a gun from an abandoned Brit Regt to make up their full 24 - that gun is a monument in Shilo Manitoba called - 'The Brest Gun'. As a side effect that Regt (1 RCHA) logged over a Million miles on its vehicles (during a time of stringent fuel rationing) in the next 4 months driving all over southern England showing the population that there was still an Army to defend them. In addition to the moral effect, Canada gained a large number of 'war brides' from that adventure.

Cheers

B

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RE: Canadians - 7/16/2010 8:20:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		My fiancee's late grandfather was a Canadian Army "zombie"; one of the volunteers who declined to make themselves available for overseas service. He spent the war guarding German POWs.

In AE I typically give the transferrable RCAF squadrons the privilege of guarding Ceylon with 222 Group. In my current game, I managed to evacuate the Canadian troops from Hong Kong, and after they finish training in Australia, those lucky devils will form part of the Commonwealth's contribution to victory in SOWESPAC.


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RE: Canadians - 7/16/2010 8:25:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		OT, but as a matter of interest HMS Resolution - which ship is that in your signature? Warspite, Valiant or Queen Elizabeth?

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RE: Canadians - 7/16/2010 8:35:49 PM   
SqzMyLemon


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ORIGINAL: The Gnome

Canadians: What do you do with 'em?



We like drinking and BBQ'ing so keep the beer and steaks coming and we will be no bother at all. Kidding aside, I've never played the Allied side yet, but I'd guess TF escort duty, ASW and air training would be the best use of Canadian assets. If there's an unrestricted fighter unit then get us in into the action somewhere.


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RE: Canadians - 7/17/2010 4:21:50 AM   
Kubel


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Status: offline 		RCNVR well said

A couple more tidbits:

The RCN was the third largest navy at the end of the war.
The last VC of WW2 was awarded to Robert Hampton Grey for sinking a Japanese Destroyer on August 9th 1945, he died in the attack.
I live on the Alaska Highway built by US Engineers in 1942...amazing work.

My great uncle on my mother side flew Mosquito's and visited Berlin several times helping to bomb my fathers family (before he moved to Canada)

In game I send a Canadian Bde or 2 to Alaska, I ship a couple Cdn fighter Squadrons to India.
And I terrorize Jap Subs up and down the West Coast with Corvettes.

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RE: Canadians - 7/17/2010 5:23:40 AM   
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OT, but as a matter of interest HMS Resolution - which ship is that in your signature? Warspite, Valiant or Queen Elizabeth?


It's Warspite in 1943. If you look closely you can see she has her 6" sponson mounts and the open HA/LA 4-inch mountings rather than the enclosed 4.5-inch DP guns of her two sisters.

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RE: Canadians - 7/17/2010 7:39:05 AM   
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ORIGINAL: HMS Resolution


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ORIGINAL: warspite1

OT, but as a matter of interest HMS Resolution - which ship is that in your signature? Warspite, Valiant or Queen Elizabeth?


It's Warspite in 1943. If you look closely you can see she has her 6" sponson mounts and the open HA/LA 4-inch mountings rather than the enclosed 4.5-inch DP guns of her two sisters.

Warspite1

Of course - the 6-inch guns should have been the giveaway - thanks for the response .


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RE: Canadians - 7/18/2010 5:22:21 PM   
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Status: offline 		Heres a titbit of info i dug out from subsim ..

http://www.montrealgazette.com/columnists/Canada+navy+hardly+glorious+start/3292518/story.html


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RE: Canadians - 7/18/2010 5:56:29 PM   
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ORIGINAL: SqzMyLemon


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ORIGINAL: The Gnome

Canadians: What do you do with 'em?



We like drinking and BBQ'ing so keep the beer and steaks coming and we will be no bother at all. Kidding aside, I've never played the Allied side yet, but I'd guess TF escort duty, ASW and air training would be the best use of Canadian assets. If there's an unrestricted fighter unit then get us in into the action somewhere.




LMAO. Sir, you are welcome around my BBQ fire anytime! This thread is a great education, thanks to everyone.

I wish the my Canuck friends to the north had more of those nice KV's, they have been wreaking havoc on japanese subs on the west coast. I may move some of the RCAF Kittyhawk squadrons to my air forces in India/Burma. For some reason the Japanese army is keeping what must be its entire inventory of Oscars there, so more fighters are always welcome.

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RE: Canadians - 7/18/2010 6:09:22 PM   
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Speaking of Ironman and its wildly unpredictable moves, has anybody playing as the allies had the AI invade Alaska?  Just wondering 'cause in my current game against the AI, I'm in the middle of Feb '42 & I've already lost Port Moresby, Baker & Funafuti Islands and on the last turn my PBY squadron at Palmyra spotted an enemy TF, of unknown make up, about 12 hexes out heading east. 


Yes, in my game the AI Japanese invaded Kiska and ATTU in June 1942. I cleaned them out in late 1942 by using an adhoc force of US and Canadian Infantry (I was short ground units so spent the points to release a Canadain Bde to the North Pacific.)

For other Canadian untis I have turned the area from Vancouver to Kodiak into a 100% Canadian ASW patrol of both aircraft and ships (mostly AM's) with a few US DE's thrown in to bost up their surface and ASW ratings.

Also very early game I had Canadian a base force come south into the US so I could release a US base force to the pacfic.

While not a large force in my game Canucks are doing a first rate job!

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RE: Canadians - 7/18/2010 11:02:59 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also a bit off topic, but the "Saviour of Ceylon", the pilot who spotted the Japanese invasion fleet, was a Canadian. He was RCAF, but I think he was flying in an RAF Sqn (not exactly sure).

Here is a link with some info. He lived right around the corner from us in the years before he died and my dad corresponded with him for a newspaper article at one point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Birchall

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RE: Canadians - 7/18/2010 11:12:43 PM   
Smeulders

 

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ORIGINAL: hueglin

Also a bit off topic, but the "Saviour of Ceylon", the pilot who spotted the Japanese invasion fleet, was a Canadian. He was RCAF, but I think he was flying in an RAF Sqn (not exactly sure).

Here is a link with some info. He lived right around the corner from us in the years before he died and my dad corresponded with him for a newspaper article at one point.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leonard_Birchall


After taking a quick look at that wiki page, it seems saving Ceylon was the least of his accomplishments in the war. Spotting a fleet and reporting it can be done by anyone, but what he did in the camps is worthy of a lot of respect.

Back on topic, I've actually thought about using the Canadians LCU as a way of getting more devices for the other commonwealth troops. There are several brigades with the very scarce 25-pdr and the AA units arriving halfway trough 42'are useful for filling out a lot of other base forces and AA units.

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RE: Canadians - 7/19/2010 10:03:07 AM   
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Status: offline 		I got a couple of Canadian Bdes in India. They've not seen any action yet, but they will. There's a Canadian Kittyhawk squadron there too which has seen action (and got mullered, poor Canucks). There's also a Canadian Catalina squadron there which I didn't put there specifically, not sure where that came from originally - Singapore?

And there's about 100 AV of Canadians in Australia - the reconstituted Hong Kong units. Without much combat drawing on their replacement pools fragments from Hong Kong reconstitute quite quickly.

I used Canadian KVs quite a lot as well in convoys, this turned out to be an issue as several of them withdraw in 1942, and it sucks finding a lone Flower corvette in a bunch of convoys, and then finding out it's a months sailing from the map edge... ouch, cost me quite a few PPs. Ship withdrawal is a pain anyway though, not just for Canucks.

So - they are about! minor, but about.

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RE: Canadians - 7/19/2010 4:20:24 PM   
Gunner98

 

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Status: offline 		Len Birchall commanded one of the two Catalina's from #413 Sqn RCAF which arrived in Ceylon on 2 April. Although the Sqn was Cdn, the other AC commander was SAfrican and there was only one other Cdn on Birchall's crew, the rest were RAF, Indian (of the British type) or SAfrican. Two other Catalina's joind the Sqn as they recoverd from enroute breakdowns.

What I didn't know about was his exploits in the POW camps or the fact that I went to the same High School! Its a small world!

Thanks for the link and info.

B

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