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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/2/2010 6:13:01 PM   
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2 No, setting for one is setting for both.


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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/2/2010 6:28:28 PM   
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You remember which volume or have a page number reference?

I don't mind having others find things I've missed. That's part of the fun of doing research. To see what you can find....whoever finds it.

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Good to hear. I have some internal photos of the Panther tank ammunition stowage if you want to see them. Seems side-hits made the panther light up like a pile of fireworks...

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/2/2010 6:35:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		So it sounds like the unit size can atually be used to simulate C&C to some degree.  That is, Soviets might have ponderous 10 tank companies and the Germans could have many 2 tank sections?

Too bad on teh assymetrical turn lengths.  I would think it could model really bad C&C well.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/2/2010 9:23:48 PM   
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I have a couple quick questions:

1. Are the Soviet platoons modeled as 3-4 AFV units? So, for example, a 10 tank Soviet company would be modeled as two 3 tank platoons and one 4 tank platoons?


The editor allows the organization of a unit to be as little as 1 or as high as 20. Your tank company could have 10 single tank units in it or 3 platoons of 3 tanks with a single tank as commander. All 10 vehicles in a single unit. However you like.

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2. The variable time and use of reaction phases...is this symetrical? Meaning if its changed, it is equally changed for both sides? Could one side have a different setting is what I am asking.


The phases are the same for both sides. Whatever the scenario is setup for both sides play with that arrangement.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/2/2010 9:25:00 PM   
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You remember which volume or have a page number reference?

I don't mind having others find things I've missed. That's part of the fun of doing research. To see what you can find....whoever finds it.

Good Hunting.

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Good to hear. I have some internal photos of the Panther tank ammunition stowage if you want to see them. Seems side-hits made the panther light up like a pile of fireworks...


What does that have to do with PCO?

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/2/2010 9:28:54 PM   
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So it sounds like the unit size can atually be used to simulate C&C to some degree.  That is, Soviets might have ponderous 10 tank companies and the Germans could have many 2 tank sections?


C&C can be simulated in various ways. One of those is unit size. Another is the Soviet Art of War selection which removes the orders delays.

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Too bad on teh assymetrical turn lengths.  I would think it could model really bad C&C well.


Allowing for different types/lengths of phase lengths for any PCO scenario is already more than any other game allows. C&C will be introduced in other ways in PC4.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/2/2010 9:34:33 PM   
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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/2/2010 10:02:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		It simulates the Soviet poor C&C early in the war. Most games that have the 1941 time period have that same delay. PCO allows you to either play with the poor Soviet C&C or play without it.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/3/2010 12:52:58 AM   
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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/3/2010 6:59:51 AM   
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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/11/2010 3:35:19 AM   
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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/11/2010 3:46:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		We don't use tiles. Terrain is coded as something like woods and there are a set of rules covering the type of unit, experience and terrain as to cover, LOS, etc.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/11/2010 5:22:52 PM   
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How does the cover and concealment model work? Can we edit the values for different terrain tiles when we make maps?


As J2D said, PCO doesn't use terrain tiles. It uses actual terrain modeling.

You can set a field or a forest pixel by pixel if you like.

Each pixel is assigned a color and the Map Maker (MM) can assign that particular color to one of dozens of textures.

What values are you wanting to edit?

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/17/2010 5:27:56 AM   
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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/17/2010 6:27:21 AM   
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I don't think I understand how it works. Is there a thread or some reading material on the subject?


the best guide is in the manual. I don't recall a thread devoted to how cover works, however I'll try to summarize.

It sounds like you are interested in how you change the cover or concealment value of a particular location on the map. As has already been pointed out, PCO doesn't use "tiles" the map is actually drawn at a 1 pixel = 1 meter scale, and the color of the pixel determines what terrain type a particular 1 sq meter is. So, for example, you can have a road be 7 meters wide while an intersecting road may only be 4 meters wide (or whatever dimensions you choose).

As for cover, units in in woods terrain, get a minimum benefit for just being in a terrain coded as woods, but the actual amount of 'cover' benefit they recieve is based on the LOS the sighting unit has to them, and the number of tree objects that LOS hits. So to increase the amount of cover benefit woods terrain provides, then you actually increase the density of trees assigned to those woods, and the Map Maker will add more trees, which results in denser woods which provides more cover. You might note that there are 3 woods levels in PCO, light woods, woods, and heavy woods..

As far as movement in different terrain, those values aren't editable. For example, wheeled and half track vehicles can not enter heavy woods terrain, and tracked vehicles have a significant speed reduction in heavy woods. In addition, Vehicles have a greater chance of bogging or breakdowns in heavy woods. And, as with sighting, this can also be affected by how dense you make the woods and what size trees you put in the woods.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/18/2010 10:24:45 AM   
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Status: offline 		That sounds fantastic.  Are the colors used editable?  (I.e., is a road pixel always grey?)  I wonder if I can take a field of someone's map say, change the color meaning of the pixel (not changing the color of the pixel itself) and get a different terrain.  Why not change the pixel itself?  Just purely artistic reasons.

More importantly, are the basic benefits for being in a terrain type editable?  And how many different types of terrain pixels are there other than the three vegetation terrains and the roads?

Thanks Rick.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/18/2010 10:25:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Also -- in terms of cover and concealment / weapon firepower -- are the previous PC releases good yardsticks as to what Ostfront will be, functionally speaking?

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/18/2010 11:37:57 AM   
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That sounds fantastic.  Are the colors used editable?  (I.e., is a road pixel always grey?)  I wonder if I can take a field of someone's map say, change the color meaning of the pixel (not changing the color of the pixel itself) and get a different terrain.  Why not change the pixel itself?  Just purely artistic reasons.

More importantly, are the basic benefits for being in a terrain type editable?  And how many different types of terrain pixels are there other than the three vegetation terrains and the roads?

Thanks Rick.



You can assign any terrain type to any color pixel you want in map maker.

The benefits for being in a terrain type are fixed.

There are 28 different terrain types.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/18/2010 11:40:23 AM   
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Also -- in terms of cover and concealment / weapon firepower -- are the previous PC releases good yardsticks as to what Ostfront will be, functionally speaking?


Only vaguely, there has been so much improvement in those areas the old games probably are not that representative any more.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/19/2010 4:03:21 AM   
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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/28/2010 4:57:12 PM   
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For all of you that didn't like the limited placement mode of PCK/OWS.

The scenario designer must place them on his map. The designer can fix units in place that the player cannot move them.

RBG will generate a zone also.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/28/2010 7:37:32 PM   
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Seems to be beaucoup fresh gameplay features .

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/29/2010 3:08:11 PM   
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Setup zones have been added.

For all of you that didn't like the limited placement mode of PCK/OWS.

The scenario designer must place them on his map. The designer can fix units in place that the player cannot move them.

RBG will generate a zone also.


This is great news. Do you think it is possible before release to get setup zones into campaigns?

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/29/2010 3:15:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'll have to test that but since campaigns use regular maps they should have them also. The older OWS and K maps may not have them because of how they were made. At worst you will have the old limit of 100m MP and 250m solo (I need to check this) and for solo F4 allows unlimited placement.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/29/2010 3:29:01 PM   
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There are the original campaigns and a few new designer campaigns in PCO. For a map to have setup zones the designer must apply them (it is very easy). Since this is a new feature, none of the new campaigns have them.

However I generated a random campaign and the first battle was on an old PCK map and it did have a setup zone on it.

I doubt that we will spend the time to add zones to the old campaigns. They were tested without them and we wouldn't want to mess with them. You are free to do whatever you want to with your game.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/31/2010 12:51:06 AM   
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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 12/31/2010 12:56:45 AM   
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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 1/17/2011 10:50:50 AM   
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will the PAK 43/41 88mm AT gun be represented in the new release?

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 1/17/2011 3:01:37 PM   
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As has already been pointed out, PCO doesn't use "tiles" the map is actually drawn at a 1 pixel = 1 meter scale, and the color of the pixel determines what terrain type a particular 1 sq meter is.


Seems as if PCO does use tiles, but they are just smaller than those in other games (Close Combat: 2 m, CMx1: 20 m, CMx2: 8 m).

True tile-less engines would involve vector-based terrain definition.

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RE: Panzer Command: Ostfront Full Feature List - 1/17/2011 3:55:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Rick

As has already been pointed out, PCO doesn't use "tiles" the map is actually drawn at a 1 pixel = 1 meter scale, and the color of the pixel determines what terrain type a particular 1 sq meter is.


Seems as if PCO does use tiles, but they are just smaller than those in other games (Close Combat: 2 m, CMx1: 20 m, CMx2: 8 m).

True tile-less engines would involve vector-based terrain definition.

Best regards,
Thomm


I guess a pixel could be considered a tile. If so we have the smallest tile based system possible.

Good Hunting.

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