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Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 8:24:20 PM   
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a thread in the general forum about linked games brought back some long lost memories. Does anyone else here remember when in the nineties Gary´s Pacwar and carrier strike were the latest games of the pacific theater?

I remember that one guy in those days had a fascinating idea and started a project. The idea was, if a carrier battle was imminent in Pacwar, you would save the game and start an external program. This would load the save from Pacwar and save it as a carrier strike save. (Both games had very similar save formats)

Then you would start carrier strike and play the carrier battle on a tactical level, after the battle you would save and reimport the result into pacwar.

Unfortunately the project never was finished. It was released as some kind of a beta and I was able to export battles from Pacwar and play them, but the reimport into pacwar never worked.

The author was one of the pacwar modders in those days and its a pity that there is nothing left of these old sites like the famous pacwar list or the old thegamers.net, where some guys started to mod sp2ww2, pacwar or WIR. They now are known as Matrix

Well, for me its a fascinating idea to play AE and when a carrier/surface battle is imminent you change to a tactical programm and play it out. Ok, I admit that a game would take a few years more but who cares...

I´ll have to live with the fact that some dreams never will come true

Best wishes

Rainer

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 8:59:33 PM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 9:18:32 PM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 9:56:03 PM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 10:05:13 PM   
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You just can't reproduce the suspense waiting for the combat portion of the game to load from the floppy after you've gotten a radar warning of incoming enemy aircraft during the orders phase.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 10:34:29 PM   
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The computer was right next to the family radio and I figured out that I could pick up EMI from the computer on some of the lower AM bands. The various electronic "chirps" and "chortles" eventually translated to the computer AI forming up TFs and planning air raids that added an interesting dimension to solitaire play.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 10:58:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		As far as naval games, I'm almost glad that I didn't get involved in PacWar. The only one that captured my interest was the Harpoon series.

CIV and CIV II must have cost me a full grade point average in College.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 11:09:34 PM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/25/2010 11:40:42 PM   
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Every now and then I take one them out. And with Vassel I can play them on the computer. Don't have to worry about messing up the board.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 12:06:57 AM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 4:06:29 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

As far as naval games, I'm almost glad that I didn't get involved in PacWar. The only one that captured my interest was the Harpoon series.

CIV and CIV II must have cost me a full grade point average in College.


I bought PacWar and CIV on the same trip to Egghead Software in Virginia Beach, many years ago. I was playing them on a 286 computer.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 4:25:07 AM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 4:31:23 AM   
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ORIGINAL: A7V_U

Hi everybody,

a thread in the general forum about linked games brought back some long lost memories. Does anyone else here remember when in the nineties Gary´s Pacwar and carrier strike were the latest games of the pacific theater?

I remember that one guy in those days had a fascinating idea and started a project. The idea was, if a carrier battle was imminent in Pacwar, you would save the game and start an external program. This would load the save from Pacwar and save it as a carrier strike save. (Both games had very similar save formats)

Then you would start carrier strike and play the carrier battle on a tactical level, after the battle you would save and reimport the result into pacwar.

Unfortunately the project never was finished. It was released as some kind of a beta and I was able to export battles from Pacwar and play them, but the reimport into pacwar never worked.

The author was one of the pacwar modders in those days and its a pity that there is nothing left of these old sites like the famous pacwar list or the old thegamers.net, where some guys started to mod sp2ww2, pacwar or WIR. They now are known as Matrix

Well, for me its a fascinating idea to play AE and when a carrier/surface battle is imminent you change to a tactical programm and play it out. Ok, I admit that a game would take a few years more but who cares...

I´ll have to live with the fact that some dreams never will come true

Best wishes

Rainer




I seem to remember that Gary would update PacWar from time to time and you could download it from bulletin boards.

So, what's the phone number to get that mod?

I think there were some people doing similar with Harpoon and TOAW when the web came along but I'm old enough to be confused.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 5:19:05 AM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 2:08:02 PM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 4:07:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Although back in the day. $7.00 for most any SPI game. AH Bookcase game were a bit more I think $15.00 or $18.00. The other AH games were around $7.00. Again that was in the early `70's. Boy that was many snows ago.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 9:42:43 PM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 10:54:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: crsutton

It was just the best game...









I still have this game, in it's original (and somewhat large) box! Dang thing takes a week to set up

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/26/2010 11:19:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Also a favorite. Also the last Guadalcanal AH put out. To bad I didn't get the General with the expansion for Coaral Sea. It was sold out.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/27/2010 6:10:43 PM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/27/2010 6:38:46 PM   
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Good way to make this game take ten years to play one game.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/27/2010 9:43:20 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mullk
Only other game that would have been incredible if the tech and been up to it (but it wasn't) was the electronic battlefield of Spectrum Holobyte.  The electronic battle field would have been still in use today if it could have been worked out.


Mhh, was this the one that involved Falcon 4.0? I believe to remember that they tried to combine different weapons on a common battlefield like the F 16, A10 and ground troops like the M1. Maybe I just mix it up with the Multiplayer of Falcon 4.0 which was absolutely great but unfortunately a bit unstable...

It is so long ago, I had a 386/33 or 486/66 in those days and the LAN had to be set up completely manually using DOS 6.0

Rainer

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/27/2010 11:22:14 PM   
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North Atlantic 86" until my poor old Apple II+ melted down.

My fondest memories of computer games came from those days. I can still remember chasing down the Yamato all the way to Truk and putting some 20+ torps into her before she finally sank. The buzzing sound of each torpedo hit still rings in my ears to this day.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/28/2010 12:05:22 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Ketza

I played the old SSI "Guadacanal" "Bomb alley" and
North Atlantic 86" until my poor old Apple II+ melted down.

My fondest memories of computer games came from those days. I can still remember chasing down the Yamato all the way to Truk and putting some 20+ torps into her before she finally sank. The buzzing sound of each torpedo hit still rings in my ears to this day.





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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/28/2010 12:56:49 AM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/28/2010 3:05:51 AM   
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I remember played advanced squad leader and Strat-O-Matic baseball in the late 70's! Hours of fun until the dog knocked all the pieces off the board


My sunday afternoon club has a member who currently subscribes to stratomatic football card update each year. We will form a league and play in the late fall.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/28/2010 3:46:46 AM   
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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/28/2010 8:50:17 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Oh! I nearly forgot the "Master of Orion" series. This one was also devastating to my GPA too!


PacWar singlehandedly dropped my GPA just enough to keep me from graduating with honors. Play 'til 0400, get up at 0600, drive to class. Oops, what did you say, Dr.???

I also remember my longest standing friend and I imbibing, and managing to empty a fifth of Turkey 101 playing WSIM until the wee hours.

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/29/2010 4:00:59 AM   
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The answer was obviously "No". lol

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RE: Linking games - old memories - 8/29/2010 2:47:10 PM   
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ORIGINAL: mullk
Only other game that would have been incredible if the tech and been up to it (but it wasn't) was the electronic battlefield of Spectrum Holobyte.  The electronic battle field would have been still in use today if it could have been worked out.


Mhh, was this the one that involved Falcon 4.0? I believe to remember that they tried to combine different weapons on a common battlefield like the F 16, A10 and ground troops like the M1. Maybe I just mix it up with the Multiplayer of Falcon 4.0 which was absolutely great but unfortunately a bit unstable...

It is so long ago, I had a 386/33 or 486/66 in those days and the LAN had to be set up completely manually using DOS 6.0

Rainer



Yep.

Back when Falcon 3.0 was big I remember networks of up to 16 computers used by pilots when they were deployed to play Falcon 3.0 as a squadron. The ability to fly and fight as a team was awesome. When you looked at Spectrum Holobytes long term plans. releasing a flight sim for different aircraft, tank sims, ship sims, AAA/Sam sims all linked on a virtual battle field. The idea of a complete strike package made up of human players flying a mission against human defenders and targets was too cool. I had the F-16, A-10 and Mig-29 simulators played them all quite a bit. Back in the day they were very popular in the Air Force. I was hoping for a 15c/d or vark sim but really enjoyed the vacuum and hog sims while waiting.

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