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ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson

I recently finished Case White. It was quite a battle and initially I had planned to take Warsaw for the decisive victory, however, with the mobs of Polish there I decide to go for all the rest of the vic points and squeeze but keep casualties low. It was a race against time and just when I thought I'd take the last vic spot (far east Poland city) but the AI reinforced it and my early victory turned out to be nothing more than an 'on-time' victory.

So I guess I won, but received no bonus pp. On the flip side I had taken the 'EVAC' points and thus NO polish units were able to escape the slaughter. So no -pp for any Polish evacs.

Finally tally: German casualties: 6% / Polish 60% (did receive 20pp for being under the 10% by 4%, guess 10 per 2% under?)

That was fun and the AI was much better than I thought and better by far than any other war game I played. Although the Strategic Command AI doesn't set the bar very high.

Now we come to my disillusionment part of the story. So I start Case Yellow and I'm very excited to see some of my units, namely 1st and 3rd Panzer, ready to fight with their nice high exp gained from Case White (unit avg around 50). This was done through the 'personal reshuffle' card as well as fighting.

So I start reviewing these supposedly veteran units on May 10th, 1940 and to my horror I see their experience down to 19-20). I literally say to my self WTF! In the blink of an eye I felt sick to my stomach and the thought of all my hard work to get these and other units into fighting shape for Case Yellow were blown to hell.

I had to stop playing, all my momentum and excitement to start the French campaign was lost. My mojo for the game gone.... Please somebody say it is not so. WTF

I bought this game because I felt the campaign idea was a unique way to see my core German units go from battles to battles and gain the experience that historically made them such a force in later campaigns such as Barbarossa. So to my surprise the ONE and I mean most important aspect IMO for this to work would be to have the experience levels carry over from campaign to campaign.

Am I wrong here? Is there something coding wise that's too difficult to make this happen? Guessing not? Is there a bug here that can be fixed soon?

The ONLY thing I can think of is that replacements to get the unit back to full strength would be taking on raw recruits with low exp and thus lowering the average. But, after a little math (not my forte, so correct me if wrong) I determine that NO that could not be the case.

** For example my all my units in 1st Pz Div were about 80-90% of max strength and the end of Case White.
So, I'll look at both cases where recruits would have 0 exp and 10exp for the 80% strength low example.

so the 80% of 50exp = 40exp + 20% of the 10exp = 2, thus net exp would be lowered from 50exp to 43exp
so the 80% of 50exp = 40exp + 20% of the 0exp = 0, thus net exp would be lowered from 50exp to 40exp

In either case, my units should still have around 40exp and NOT 19-20. The only way they could have lost around 20-30 exp is to have been about less then half strength, which they were not and I have the save to prove it.

For now I'm spent and done with WtP, unless somebody can convince me my units should be back to noob levels and not have gained the valuable exp from Case White. Good luck with that, because that's the WHOLE darn point of playing the campaign IMO. So maybe Vic will get a patch for this SHOW STOPPER bug. I'll wait for that or WitE, which ever comes first I guess. I had high hopes for WtP and Vic is my guy too!
<sigh>

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ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson

After looking again it seems every unit has exp from 18-19. Wow, lol. What is going on? Did the game just take the avg exp gain in Case White and raise all my units by that %?

Not to be too critical but that seems totally ridiculous as that means personal and leaders would be shuffled around giving this bogus average exp increase.

Anybody else have an opinion?

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ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson

W.T. Sherman, I'll keep this part short for you because obviously your brain can't handle anything over a few sentences. The post was not for your 'entertainment'. I don't care about you or your waste of a reply to my post.

<stop reading here W.T>

I would like somebody to reply with an intelligent answer to why the game mechanics seem to be flawed from operation to operation in the campaign when dealing with unit experience. I have spoken with a few other 'gamers' that also find it ridiculous that units don't at least maintenance their experience even considering a slight lowering to take on replacements to be brought back up to strength.

I bought the game somewhat under that premise as people were saying it was similar to the '6th Army' mod for AT in campaign mode.

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ORIGINAL: bwheatley

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ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson

W.T. Sherman, I'll keep this part short for you because obviously your brain can't handle anything over a few sentences. The post was not for your 'entertainment'. I don't care about you or your waste of a reply to my post.

<stop reading here W.T>

I would like somebody to reply with an intelligent answer to why the game mechanics seem to be flawed from operation to operation in the campaign when dealing with unit experience. I have spoken with a few other 'gamers' that also find it ridiculous that units don't at least maintenance their experience even considering a slight lowering to take on replacements to be brought back up to strength.

I bought the game somewhat under that premise as people were saying it was similar to the '6th Army' mod for AT in campaign mode.

Yea its probably just a minor bug somewhere. Because it's supposed to work like the 6th Army campaign in AT and that worked pretty darn well :)

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- A campaign option that allows play of all three scenarios with continuity so losses, etc. transfer over

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- A campaign option that allows play of all three scenarios with continuity so losses, etc. transfer over

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The last thing I wanted to do was give the impression that this was some Panzer General like campaign title.

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So, am I allowed to quote you that DC is not a Panzer General like campaign title?

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ORIGINAL: Vic

Sorry to hear there are expectations that the game is not meeting. It might be in the phrasing of the sales promotion texts that doesnt explicitly say that the continuity is not on unit level. But usually PR texts state what the game does do and not what it doesnt. It might be in other campaign containing games do things differently and customers subconsciously expect this 'campaign' to do the same.

But to give a clear and short answer: this is not a bug. This is intended functionality. Morale and experience and losses average out.

The campaign was always meant as an extra on top of the scenarios that would allow you to play them all with some consequences between them and to introduce some strategic action cards and random variants and links like Polish evacs and BEF evacs turning up in the next scenarios. The campaign aspects are thus relatively abstract and low detail level.

Again sorry to hear about some people disappointments. But this is how the game is. The last thing I wanted to do was give the impression that this was some Panzer General like campaign title.

Best regards,
Vic

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ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson

parusski,

You're displaying a very low level of intelligence if you can't understand when I asked about an opinion it refered to my post. I guess the logical side of your brain never developed past a 2nd grade level? Actually, I think some 2nd graders would be offended at being compared to you after reading your comments on this post.

If you have nothing to say about the original post or can't figure it out, try reading the title again. If you still have no clue, then maybe don't post anything? You think?

Parusski, stay out of my post please, go ramble on about what entertains you somewhere else. Either way I don't care about anything you have to say and I'm guessing most people you meet don't either.

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ORIGINAL: parusski

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ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson

parusski,

You're displaying a very low level of intelligence if you can't understand when I asked about an opinion it refered to my post. I guess the logical side of your brain never developed past a 2nd grade level? Actually, I think some 2nd graders would be offended at being compared to you after reading your comments on this post.

If you have nothing to say about the original post or can't figure it out, try reading the title again. If you still have no clue, then maybe don't post anything? You think?

Parusski, stay out of my post please, go ramble on about what entertains you somewhere else. Either way I don't care about anything you have to say and I'm guessing most people you meet don't either.

Hmmm. Ten years as a member of this forum. Do I even respond? Were it not for your statement "Parusski, stay out of my post please, go ramble on about what entertains you somewhere else. Either way I care about anything you have to say and I'm guessing most people you meet don't either I would NEVER have graced your imminence with my presence again.

I have never flamed, attacked or otherwise been nasty to another member. A tendency towards sarcasm, always without malice, is a trait I have indulged in since childhood. Of my 428 posts, always benign and meaningless, 427 have been ignored. Seems everyone around here had the "INTELLIGENCE" to ignore me.

The logical side of my brain actually never developed at all. NEVER. Through luck, favoritism and alien intervention I somehow managed to obtain a Bachelor of Science in computer science, a Bachelor of Arts in philosophy and then I purchased my Masters in computer engineering from a diploma mill. You, my friend are very intuitive about my "very low level of intelligence".

I've never had anyone, in over 10 years here, actually throw sticks and stones at me. But I have not encountered the type person that would do so.

Alas, I will heretofore obey your dictum to "stay out of my post"(wherever and whatever that is). Also, I will respect your pronouncement to not post on this THREAD or even visit it.

I like good quotes, such as:

“What you are comes to you” Ralph Waldo Emerson

“The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.”, Mark Twain

“To make the individual uncomfortable, that is my task”, Friedrich Nietzsche

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ORIGINAL: parusski
...and then I purchased my Masters in computer engineering from a diploma mill.

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ORIGINAL: Treale

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ORIGINAL: parusski

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ORIGINAL: kirkgregerson

parusski,

You're displaying a very low level of intelligence if you can't understand when I asked about an opinion it refered to my post. I guess the logical side of your brain never developed past a 2nd grade level? Actually, I think some 2nd graders would be offended at being compared to you after reading your comments on this post.

If you have nothing to say about the original post or can't figure it out, try reading the title again. If you still have no clue, then maybe don't post anything? You think?

Parusski, stay out of my post please, go ramble on about what entertains you somewhere else. Either way I don't care about anything you have to say and I'm guessing most people you meet don't either.

Hmmm. Ten years as a member of this forum. Do I even respond? Were it not for your statement "Parusski, stay out of my post please, go ramble on about what entertains you somewhere else. Either way I care about anything you have to say and I'm guessing most people you meet don't either I would NEVER have graced your imminence with my presence again.

I have never flamed, attacked or otherwise been nasty to another member. A tendency towards sarcasm, always without malice, is a trait I have indulged in since childhood. Of my 428 posts, always benign and meaningless, 427 have been ignored. Seems everyone around here had the "INTELLIGENCE" to ignore me.

The logical side of my brain actually never developed at all. NEVER. Through luck, favoritism and alien intervention I somehow managed to obtain a Bachelor of Science in computer science, a Bachelor of Arts in philosophy and then I purchased my Masters in computer engineering from a diploma mill. You, my friend are very intuitive about my "very low level of intelligence".

I've never had anyone, in over 10 years here, actually throw sticks and stones at me. But I have not encountered the type person that would do so.

Alas, I will heretofore obey your dictum to "stay out of my post"(wherever and whatever that is). Also, I will respect your pronouncement to not post on this THREAD or even visit it.

I like good quotes, such as:

“What you are comes to you” Ralph Waldo Emerson

“The trouble ain't that there is too many fools, but that the lightning ain't distributed right.”, Mark Twain

“To make the individual uncomfortable, that is my task”, Friedrich Nietzsche

Don't pay any attention to him. I didn't realize that anyone "Owned" a thread. He's getting to sound like a broken record whining about his Broken Game that was sold under dubious advertising!