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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/7/2010 12:19:16 PM

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Well depends how much aircraft are used - if you use 200 the chance is better than 20 - logical. My understanding of the RAF campaign was that they did�t aim to hit anythning special (except house) - they just "aimed" at the complete city to firebomb it. They even researched which house (I mean civilian houses)�types burn best

�But this is a more morale debate I guess. Would say night bombing should not be very effective unless luck and huge numbers are in play.

Btw.: Which allied bombers do night bombing in 42 ? I set some of the Blenheims and Wellingtons (these ARE night bombers!) to night but they did not fly (4/1942). Is there another requirement to night bombing? These sqs fly at day btw. So they are not cowards. Will night bombing for allied become available later ? I also gave them a specific target, but they won�t attack at night

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/7/2010 2:38:51 PM

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To answer your question, the current game time is Sept 43, and any level bomber seems to be able to night bomb. In my other game, playing the Allies, Japan is night bombing with Betties and Nells in Oct 42. I know of no specific date, I thought either side could at any time, but who knows.

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/7/2010 3:33:17 PM

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Thanks, I will try it again, maybe comanders or morale whatever was too bad, so they decided to not get airborne at night. But the Wellington should be the correct plane type (it is a night bomber).

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/7/2010 5:15:44 PM

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Zemke, I know the engine doesn't give the results you think it should but there is documented evidence of the US using bombers in the pacific at night. When the 10th AF went to India they launched night missions against Rangoon. This was May of 42 if I remember right. In 44 they used bombers out of Tarawa to bomb the atolls in the Marshals to suppress them and they flew at night because they did not have any fighters available to escort them. The Rangoon mission did hit the piers but there were very few planes available at the time so the damage was limited. The atoll missions were successful because its kind of hard to miss an atoll even at night considering the altitude they were flying at.

I agree that night bombing into a jungle hex hoping to hit infantry should be a waste of ammo, but hitting airfields cut out of the jungle or atolls should be rather successful.

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/7/2010 5:44:05 PM

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I don't think it needs a fix, but don't get spectacular results from night bombing that seem to be the cause of the complaint. I have maybe 60 or 70 bombers flying night raids against Japanese occupied Burma, with pilots who have an average general experience level of around 65 and similar ground bombing skill levels. I fly them at 10,000 feet and get maybe 2 or 3 hits on the airbase or runway, with maybe 1 or 2 aircraft destroyed on the ground, every other turn, with similar results if they fly port attack. They certainly can't cause enough damage to close the airbase or port.

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/7/2010 8:49:31 PM

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What about the attack 2E bombers flying at night? I've got several squadrons of B-25D1's and B-25G's that when set to bomb at night, still drop down and strafe their targets and suffer little operational damage from the attempt. They don't do much damage, of course, but I can send them out repeatedly with little loss in night flying ability.

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/10/2010 3:47:01 PM

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Seems only the Chinese can bomb at night at the beginning on allies side ? The Brits won#t fly bombing missions from Burma at all (mostly Blenheim). But I know they CAN fly cause they do it later :) I retreated them back to India with more supply maybe then they will fly also at night. But I still guess that there are limits on night mission, maybe I should read the manual again

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/10/2010 4:12:58 PM

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But I still guess that there are limits on night mission,

No limits.

Prbably bad weather (monsoon?) grounded your night bombing missions in Burma.

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/18/2010 12:00:38 AM

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I never said this was not done, only the results are off. If you have good recon of a base and bomb it at night your results will be better, and perhaps better than what is getting reported due to FOW. Next, this was not routinely done, it was the exception, rather than the rule. I ask only people to see results of night bombing in Europe.

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/18/2010 3:32:26 AM

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Regardless, I have taken all the night bombing I can stand. There is no reason for any Jap planes to stay in the area, they only die on the ground, requiring more replacements, which means more HI burned to produce planes I should not have needed to produce. There is no way to stop the Allied bombers at night, (hell you cannot stop 4E during the day) and once they get going they cannot be stopped. I have tried CAP, more CAP, moving around, bigger air bases, more flak, it is not working. What is the point, when Allied bombers can bomb your bases into dust at night with impunity? In my other game as Allies I have refused to try this, but for all of you playing Allies, start night bombing the Japanese air fields and you will never lose a plane, except for the rare flak hit. The longer you do it, the better they get, maybe it is a hidden skill, but it is an air war winner! I don't see the point, other than it works too well. Yeah, I am not a happy camper right now.

In all my future games as either side, there will certainly be a HR on night bombing air fields. I just don't know what would be best, higher altitudes or less planes, a combination, any suggestions?

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/18/2010 6:57:32 PM

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In my PBEM we do no night bombing under 50% moonlight as a HR.

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RE: Night Bombing w/GPS?? - 10/23/2010 2:29:05 PM

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Tried some night bombing with the Chinese, but guess you need massive numbers and better planes (also commanders/pilots who fly at all) to get some results worth the effort.

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