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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/24/2010 4:35:57 PM   
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Status: offline 		He's certainly not doing a bad job, I was just pointing out the possibilities on turn 1 and 2 and that Axis spearheads can be fragile.

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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/24/2010 4:45:55 PM   
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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/24/2010 5:32:58 PM   
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It will be interesting to see the results of ComradeP vs. Notenome. Certainly the first turn results can be replicated as the Russian has no chance to respond.

I'm cautioned that the axis spearheads are fragile. To achieve 70 divisions in two turns must have required more aggression then my turn 1. Surely a human must punish such aggression.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/24/2010 6:50:58 PM   
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Yes, stories of Moses' exploits in WITP have at times reached "legendary" proportion ... such as the "God of Land Warfare - In China" !!!

I have to say Moses is a very good player ... the toughest thing about playing Moses is ... you can't "scare him" ... one of my tactics in wargames is to throw in a little "shock and awe" ... But Moses reaction to such is to perhaps back off for a turn ... and then get right back to what he was doing ... he doesn't scare away !!!

So good luck with your WITE game!

Do you think the Russians can/should use something like a NODL defense? This was a old board game tactic of making two weak rows of defenders to mitigate against breakthroughs. Yes you are sacrificing material, but gaining time. NODL => Non-Overrunable Double Line. In many of the WITE AARs the Russian defenders seem to be bunching up units in some hexes and leaving many other hexes open or weakly defended - this would seem to be inviting breakthroughs!



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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/24/2010 7:21:08 PM   
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The best defensive system remains to be seen. Tophats doing OK I think, but perhaps he could have dropped a step or two back.

I think the secret will be soaking up the movement points of the armor. I always want them to have to go around and always be in my zones of control.

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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/24/2010 7:41:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yup, part of the NODL in the old FITE/SE system was to back up just enough, to absorb just enough movement before the armor hit your line, to ensure you would not lose the second line as well as the first.

Your breakthrough near Smolensk looks very powerful with your infantry so far forward!



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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 2:21:43 AM   
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Status: offline 		Returned from Christmas and had this turn waiting. My God, Tophat does want to fight!!!
Here are the shots before I've done anything. 6 Russian counterattacks inflict 1500 losses (3 tanks) on my troops but only force 1 Rumanian division to give ground. He losses 7600 men and 237 tanks.






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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 2:32:25 AM   
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Status: offline 		Center is much the same as he tries to surround my force. He attacked Panzer Lehr twice and actually retreated it in an attempt to surround my tanks. But they are supplied and look at all my infantry.








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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 2:37:32 AM   
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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 2:39:42 AM   
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Status: offline 		This will be a great test of forward defence. I think Tophat is handling it with a good bit of skill. He's kept my armor on low supply with counterencirclements and is fighting fearlessly.

Can't wait till tommorrow. This next turn will be fun.

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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 3:40:26 AM   
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Status: offline 		Man, this is the kind of AAR that could make anyone buy this game.  Heh, heh "God of Land Warfare"!  I need to look at some of the AARs in the WITP forum.

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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 3:57:22 AM   
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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 4:31:53 AM   
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ORIGINAL: hgilmer3

Man, this is the kind of AAR that could make anyone buy this game.  Heh, heh "God of Land Warfare"!  I need to look at some of the AARs in the WITP forum.



Well that was from my War in the Pacific days. For all the wonders of that game it was not the best land combat model. A more proper title might be "God of Obscure Rules and Procedural Workarounds"

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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 6:33:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		I finally think I have him down South. Thats about 16 division in that big pocket and 4 more in the little one top of screen. There's also that armored division near Vinnitsa but that's a weakling that has been retreated several times.

Better still is that my armor will be supplied next turn.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 6:40:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		A little further north 4 more divisions are isolated. Notice Tophat trying to sneak a division west to screw up my rear area.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 6:44:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the center I've widened the breach and my infantry pours in. Near Gomel it's been tough going to get across the river but I have finally gotten a bridgehead.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/26/2010 6:49:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the North I am at least across the river and will destroy 2 surrounded divisions next turn.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 1:49:37 AM   
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Status: offline 		Turn 6 done but I have no time for a proper AAR till the A.M.

But he's retreating and I caught him on the wrong foot. Two more big encirclements. I let the other 3 stew while my troops continue to attack. Turn 7 will be a slaughter unless somehow I've missed something.

I've killed 9368 tanks!!!! His line appears to be shattered Center and South.



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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 6:03:00 AM   
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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 1:03:13 PM   
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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 1:05:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		Ok, here is the south ater my recon. Tophat abandones the two pockets. The big one is completely isolated. The small one to the north is not.

Even though he has retreated, he has not gone back very far. His troops are defending in open ground and have little fortification.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 1:14:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		I contain the two existing pockets and create a new one. Thats seven new divisions surrounded and about 9 routed divisions outside.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 1:18:15 PM   
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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 1:24:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		So again I contain the pocket and go for more. 8 more divisions surrounded and lots more routed and retreated outside the pocket.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 1:29:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Finally the North. My objective here is more limited as I have not sent much force this way. I'm just trying to kill acouple units each turn. Here I surround two units and my troops are in good order for next week.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 3:22:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wish my opponent Miller41 would try forward defense - he is evading everywhere so that it is hard to create pockets. You are doing great ;-)


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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 11:53:01 PM   
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Tophat is definately in retreat mode. My tanks continued to push ahead and try to catch portions of the Soviet Army with some limited success. In the rear masses of Russians were slaghtered.

370,000 casualties and 35 complete divisions were lost. For the war 10,464 tanks have been lost and the Russians now have only 3,768 ready tanks.

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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/29/2010 11:54:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the North I seem to surround 2 divisions each week. Next week it will be the 2 divisioins in Pskov.

For me this is an economy of force operation. I have sent no reinforcments up North. I expect to just keep killing Russians and hope Tophat feels compelled to pull troops from the Moscow area to defend Lenningrade.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/30/2010 12:03:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here's the key sector. For the next two turns I intend to consolodate. I want to eliminate the two pockets that exist and assemble maximum force near the line SW of Vyazma.

Note my rail repair closing in on Smolensk. I've doubled up rail units since the start and by start of turn 10 my railhead will be around 60 from the front.

Now if the Russians stay too close I may change plans and do another envelopment but I think Tophat is learning to stay away from my tanks.




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RE: Moses(axis) vs. Tophat1812. - 12/30/2010 12:12:55 AM   
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The plan is to attack from the leftmost line on turn 10. The goal is to destroy enemy units in sector and reach the 2nd line in good order and supply. On turn 12 or at latest turn 13 I launch the final attack to envelope Moscow. I intend to completly encircle Moscow by the end of turn 14 leaving me 3 turns to reduce the city before the onset of mud.




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