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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 2:04:48 AM   
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Imagine, if you will, standing in a field and firing a high velocity rifle...that bullet, if it doesn't hit something, will travel quite far. For an ordinary civilian to determine whether it's safe to fire that weapon or not seems dangerous.


You have a very naive world view, the term you’re looking for is responsible gun ownership. There are laws about discharging firearms within city limits and in unsafe conditions. Each state has its own set of laws, but generally speaking you can’t just fire away without regard to the safety of others.

However, very few arrests for these kinds of laws are made each year because 99.9% of gun owners are responsible adults and don’t need government oversight to know how to properly handle firearms. In my entire career as a police officer I probably only made 2 arrests concerning these laws.

Criminals are the ones who break gun laws, not normal citizens. I’ll never forget the worst home invasion crimes I investigated were always the ones where the home owners didn’t have a gun. Like you they must have thought the government would help them, but by the time the police arrived all we could do was take photos and collect evidence.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 4:29:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		HOLY SMOKES! Looks like a good time! That a 50 cal BFG I see there?!! Ohh I see a M14 as well yes? Always wanted to shoot one of those. My Dad, God rest his soul said he carried one for personal protection while serving with AID in Vietnam. Said it was a joy to shoot.

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Im curious. As JD said we have have a totally different culture regarding guns in the UK. What exactly do you do with guns like that? I can understand target rifles, and hunting rifles and shotguns, but surely assault rifles belong in the military?


Assault rifles are a blast to shoot, though only semi-auto is allowed for civilians. Having served in the USMC and as a police officer, I’ve fired a lot of weapons in my life and full auto is a lot more fun to shoot than semi, but either way it’s still a fun activity.

Last year about 20-30 friends and family got together for a 4 day camping trip in the Colorado Mountains. The theme of this campout was shooting, sometimes it’s hiking or fishing, but this time it was shooting.

With so many people showing up we had over 30 different firearms present, so there was lots to do if you wanted to try them all out. My personal preference was long range pistol shooting, but that probably stems from my days on the force since I got so good at shooting pistols, but most people preferred shooting the semi-auto weapons and the long range scoped weapons.

I highly recommend you try shooting as a fun pastime if you haven’t tried it before. We had kids aged around 16 up to adults aged in their 40s-50s and everyone had a great time. It can be an expensive hobby if you get into the target shooting side of things, as you’d need to buy ammo a lot. But doing a trip like this every few years is affordable and a fun diversion from normal campouts.

I’d compare the atmosphere of the trip to a fun BBQ, though no drinking was allowed until the days shooting had ended.

Here’s a shot of most of the weapons that were there:

Jim







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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 5:38:09 AM   
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M1 Garand for fun.
300 Savage, model 99F, for big game, ( I don't do this much anymore)
S&W Super 12 12 Gau shotgun for birds.

It's all good.


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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 5:41:25 AM   
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BTW, WRT the OP:

M1 Garand for fun.
300 Savage, model 99F, for big game, ( I don't do this much anymore)
S&W Super 12 12 Gau shotgun for birds.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 6:02:44 AM   
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Status: offline 		As soon as I get the AR tactical I will go to the Rincons and take pics of me and my brother shooting so you all can get a idea of the area.

I was at Kitts peak with my cousin not long ago as well, the largest telescope there is 4 meters in diameter. Galileo used a two inch telescope to give you a idea of scale.

As a aside it is a free range area, we didnt think much of the signs while going to the peak, on the way back down, both of us bieng smokers we decided to stop and have a butt at the road junction, we heard a sound neither of us could identify, I said lets get in the car, soon as we jumped in a longhorn bull came walking towards the car, my 325I is sturdy, but a bull that resembles a earth mover would have crushed us inside the vehicle so we raced off.

We also visited the Air Museum here in Tucson not long ago. I got a signed copy of My Wars, authored by Richard Bushong, Colonel USAF/RET while touring the new hanger dedicated to the 390th BG. The man is amazing and makes me ashamed when I consider I have aches and pains at 48. He is a active tour guide there and is a testiment to people born and raised in the depression as was my Father. They were made of Iron. As a aside they also have a SR71 mounted off the ceiling of another hanger, and!! have a number of pacific theatre planes on display now as well including a Oscar if I recall correctly from a specific unit with unit markings on it. 
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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 11:19:55 AM   
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Imagine, if you will, standing in a field and firing a high velocity rifle...that bullet, if it doesn't hit something, will travel quite far. For an ordinary civilian to determine whether it's safe to fire that weapon or not seems dangerous.


You have a very naive world view, the term you’re looking for is responsible gun ownership. There are laws about discharging firearms within city limits and in unsafe conditions. Each state has its own set of laws, but generally speaking you can’t just fire away without regard to the safety of others.




I think what you might be forgetting is that the UK is so much smaller than the US, and hence much more densely populated. I suspect, without researching it, that most of the country would probably fall within what an American might consider 'within city limits'! There really aren't many places, certainly anywhere near the big cities, where it is safe to hobby shoot in the way Sheytan does however responsible the gun owner may be.




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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 1:43:20 PM   
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HOLY SMOKES! Looks like a good time! That a 50 cal BFG I see there?!! Ohh I see a M14 as well yes? Always wanted to shoot one of those. My Dad, God rest his soul said he carried one for personal protection while serving with AID in Vietnam. Said it was a joy to shoot.


Nope not a .50 cal, I’m pretty sure it fired a 7.62mm round, but for the life of me I can’t remember what model the weapon was. There was simply too much stuff there to keep track of all the details for everything. The guy who brought it does own a .50 cal, but given that each individual round costs about $4.00, it would have been prohibitively expensive to bring enough ammo for everyone to get to try it, so he left it at home.

The M14 is my brother’s weapon and is really fun to shoot, I may even buy one for myself given how much I enjoyed firing it. It is almost as accurate as some of the sniper weapons just firing it over its hard sights. It is defiantly the rifle I fired the most during the trip, probably because there is more of a challenge shooting over hard sights than using the scopes that most of the larger caliber weapons had.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 9:02:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		well I have a few weapons none of the military grade you guys are talking about
I have mine for home defense and have had to use one only once (someone tried to break in when we where home lucky i was still awake, .38 pistol vs double barrel 16 gauge I won )

I hunted a ton before I move to central ohio but have not in 10 years
I have HK 1893 .22 Double Action 9shot revolver
1917 double barrel 16 gauge (old but in great shape )
1928 marlin model 39 .22
1958 marlin model 39A .22
1924 Winchester model 1894 32special long rifle (thats my baby got my first deer with it when I was 11)
the rest are all newer
2 12 gauge pumps
2 30-06 winchesters
2 30-30 winchesters
I made a couple .50 Muzzelloaders(from kits) but gave both away

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 9:54:01 PM   
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well I have a few weapons none of the military grade you guys are talking about
I have mine for home defense and have had to use one only once (someone tried to break in when we where home lucky i was still awake, .38 pistol vs double barrel 16 gauge I won )

I hunted a ton before I move to central ohio but have not in 10 years
I have HK 1893 .22 Double Action 9shot revolver
1917 double barrel 16 gauge (old but in great shape )
1928 marlin model 39 .22
1958 marlin model 39A .22
1924 Winchester model 1894 32special long rifle (thats my baby got my first deer with it when I was 11)
the rest are all newer
2 12 gauge pumps
2 30-06 winchesters
2 30-30 winchesters
I made a couple .50 Muzzelloaders(from kits) but gave both away



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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 10:13:59 PM   
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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/29/2010 11:04:21 PM   
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Imagine, if you will, standing in a field and firing a high velocity rifle...that bullet, if it doesn't hit something, will travel quite far. For an ordinary civilian to determine whether it's safe to fire that weapon or not seems dangerous.


You have a very naive world view, the term you’re looking for is responsible gun ownership. There are laws about discharging firearms within city limits and in unsafe conditions. Each state has its own set of laws, but generally speaking you can’t just fire away without regard to the safety of others.

However, very few arrests for these kinds of laws are made each year because 99.9% of gun owners are responsible adults and don’t need government oversight to know how to properly handle firearms. In my entire career as a police officer I probably only made 2 arrests concerning these laws.

Criminals are the ones who break gun laws, not normal citizens. I’ll never forget the worst home invasion crimes I investigated were always the ones where the home owners didn’t have a gun. Like you they must have thought the government would help them, but by the time the police arrived all we could do was take photos and collect evidence.

Jim



Nice post Jim.

I've tried reiterating the lawful-criminal gun ownership and especially authorities only showing up to tag & bag 'em but many just can't fathom the implications.


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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/30/2010 1:07:32 AM   
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I've tried reiterating the lawful-criminal gun ownership and especially authorities only showing up to tag & bag 'em but many just can't fathom the implications.


I know, it’s like they are simply wired differently or something. I recall once sitting at dinner and the mother of the woman I was dating at the time was telling a story to everyone about how she had been home alone and a man was trying to break into her house. She recounted how terrified she was as she waited for the police to arrive and the man was busting in through a window and she still heard no sirens, so she had to flee her home as he came in.

I exclaimed, “You know, there is nothing more empowering in such a situation than a .357”. She then said in a hissy, “well we all know where you stand on gun control now, don’t we?”

I was amazed, this woman’s life had been in mortal danger and a weapon could have saved her from possibly being raped or murdered. Or instead of having to run out into the night and take her chances in running into who knows what, she could have stood her ground behind the safety a gun could have provided her until police arrived.

But for some unfathomable reason, she simply couldn’t see the logic of it, and she became angry with me for suggesting she get herself a gun since she lived alone. I just shook my head in disbelief.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/30/2010 4:01:06 AM   
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Hell I havnt been hunting in 30 years. I need to, my brothers son in law to be in big on quail shooting and keeps kicking me in the posterior to come with him. I need to.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

BTW, WRT the OP:

M1 Garand for fun.
300 Savage, model 99F, for big game, ( I don't do this much anymore)
S&W Super 12 12 Gau shotgun for birds.

It's all good.





Going for Quail in my part of the country isn't really practical, there may be places around but the quail have lots of cover in the chaparral. I wouldn't even think about it without a dog. Dove hunting is good in the Imperial valley it's just hotter than blazes out there. It's a long way to go for a day trip and I guess I've lost a lot of the interest I used to have in it.




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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/30/2010 6:34:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		He goes dove hunting as well, more so, but hell I can kill doves in my back yard the size of hens with my pellet rifle.. No kidding...so I said if he wants to take me hunting it has to be anything but doves, and he suggested quail.

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Hell I havnt been hunting in 30 years. I need to, my brothers son in law to be in big on quail shooting and keeps kicking me in the posterior to come with him. I need to.

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ORIGINAL: Jeffrey H.

BTW, WRT the OP:

M1 Garand for fun.
300 Savage, model 99F, for big game, ( I don't do this much anymore)
S&W Super 12 12 Gau shotgun for birds.

It's all good.





Going for Quail in my part of the country isn't really practical, there may be places around but the quail have lots of cover in the chaparral. I wouldn't even think about it without a dog. Dove hunting is good in the Imperial valley it's just hotter than blazes out there. It's a long way to go for a day trip and I guess I've lost a lot of the interest I used to have in it.






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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/30/2010 6:35:50 AM   
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I've tried reiterating the lawful-criminal gun ownership and especially authorities only showing up to tag & bag 'em but many just can't fathom the implications.


I know, it’s like they are simply wired differently or something. I recall once sitting at dinner and the mother of the woman I was dating at the time was telling a story to everyone about how she had been home alone and a man was trying to break into her house. She recounted how terrified she was as she waited for the police to arrive and the man was busting in through a window and she still heard no sirens, so she had to flee her home as he came in.

I exclaimed, “You know, there is nothing more empowering in such a situation than a .357”. She then said in a hissy, “well we all know where you stand on gun control now, don’t we?”

I was amazed, this woman’s life had been in mortal danger and a weapon could have saved her from possibly being raped or murdered. Or instead of having to run out into the night and take her chances in running into who knows what, she could have stood her ground behind the safety a gun could have provided her until police arrived.

But for some unfathomable reason, she simply couldn’t see the logic of it, and she became angry with me for suggesting she get herself a gun since she lived alone. I just shook my head in disbelief.

Jim




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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/30/2010 6:36:51 AM   
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HOLY SMOKES! Looks like a good time! That a 50 cal BFG I see there?!! Ohh I see a M14 as well yes? Always wanted to shoot one of those. My Dad, God rest his soul said he carried one for personal protection while serving with AID in Vietnam. Said it was a joy to shoot.


Nope not a .50 cal, I’m pretty sure it fired a 7.62mm round, but for the life of me I can’t remember what model the weapon was. There was simply too much stuff there to keep track of all the details for everything. The guy who brought it does own a .50 cal, but given that each individual round costs about $4.00, it would have been prohibitively expensive to bring enough ammo for everyone to get to try it, so he left it at home.

The M14 is my brother’s weapon and is really fun to shoot, I may even buy one for myself given how much I enjoyed firing it. It is almost as accurate as some of the sniper weapons just firing it over its hard sights. It is defiantly the rifle I fired the most during the trip, probably because there is more of a challenge shooting over hard sights than using the scopes that most of the larger caliber weapons had.

Jim




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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/31/2010 12:03:59 AM   
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The irony of all this is the legacy of gun ownership and a armed citizenry are a direct legacy of the revolution here in America against the British Crown.

Again great discussion.



But I always thought that was the irony.

I read the constitution as written to mean (rather like England and longbow laws in the middle ages) you wanted a solid semi-trained and martial citizenry because your outlook distrusted standing armies (Presumably on the grounds they were the weapon of choice of oppressive and intrusive Governments).

However, the US Military slowly but surely realised there was no substitute for professionalism and forgot all about Militias, and the one time anyone in America wanted out of the Union, it was put down by a mass semi-trained citizen Army (albeit clearly a very brave one) not a large standing force.

Now, I agree it's cultural. Americans like guns, so you use the constitution to defend your right of ownership. They are little liked over here, so we're happy to have them banned.

The best stats (US Academy of Sciences report???) I've seen suggested concealed carry deterred nothing and you'd be amazed how many houses get robbed where the owners have a firearm that is never used.

All that said, as a non weapon owning Brit (note - with a sense of humour), if I lived in a country where half the population voted for Sarah Palin, I would want a firearm too......

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/31/2010 11:19:22 PM   
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You can easily get a carry permit here in Arizona. You need to attend a class and im sure you cannot have a record, my brother has one as does his father in law who always wears a sidearm.


You don't need a carry permit in Arizona. It has for decades (?) been permissible to openly carry any firearm without a permit, and last July it became permissible to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. No classes, no permit, no licensing. Of course, you're not allowed to own or carry one if you're a convict or under a judicial restraining order for something, but that has always been the case too.

As to the original question, the type of longarm really depends on what I'm trying to hunt. 12ga Shotgun for general upland game and birds. A .22LR Ruger 10/22 for late winter rabbits. .243 Ruger 77 RSI for deer and pronghorn, or a .452 cal saboted muzzleloader for same if I draw a frontstuffer tag. .30-06 for larger deer/elk/moose, mtn lions, and bear. I often augment my longarm with a sidearm.

I'm buying bonus points for buffalo (Bison). If I ever draw a tag I will buy an Uberti/Sharps 1871 buffalo rifle in .45/90.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/31/2010 11:27:20 PM   
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Imagine, if you will, standing in a field and firing a high velocity rifle...that bullet, if it doesn't hit something, will travel quite far. For an ordinary civilian to determine whether it's safe to fire that weapon or not seems dangerous.


Not really dangerous in general. Fewer people are shot hunting or just target shooting in the US each year than die of injuries sustained in athletic events. Most firearms deaths in the US, while homicides (meaning one person killed someone else) are legal homicides -- self defense by a civilian or policeman, and many of the rest are suicides (but the US suicide rate is not greater than other western nations). Most of the illegal homicides (homicide as a criminal act) occur when one person with a prior criminal record kills some other person with a prior criminal record. Of which I can find nothing to complaint about.

That leaves a very low accidental homicide rate (which is regrettable), the intermittent spree shooter, and the intermittent innocent cut down in a gangbang drive-by. But if you count those as undesirable deaths, one must also note that the death by automobile accident in most western nations is higher than the undesirable death by firearm rate. So it's really no big deal.

Bottom line in the US is that if you don't want to get shot, then (1) don't go waving a gun at anyone, (2) don't try to rob or assault someone or break into a home, (3) don't engage in criminal activity especially those that generate lots of cash and make you a desirable target for other criminals, and (4) make sure all your firearms are safely stored.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/31/2010 11:28:29 PM   
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On behalf of Europe, I would like to apologise for Terminus' post


I blame George W. Bush.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 12/31/2010 11:33:57 PM   
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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/1/2011 3:27:35 AM   
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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/1/2011 3:48:34 AM   
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Status: offline 		Neither. If you look at the back of the cylinder you'll see that it's rounded and has little stubs. That is a .44 caliber cap and ball revolver, a replica (Uberti) of the Remington 1854 "New Army" revolver used by the US Army during the civil war. It fires a .454 cal round ball over 35 grains (volume) of FFFG blackpowder. When you use the loading lever to shove a ball into the cylinder it shaves off a tiny ring of lead narrowing the ball to about .44cal.

After the introduction of the .45 colt cartridge, the army retrofitted a bunch of the percussion cap revolvers to fire .45 colt. Ima get one of those this year I hope.

Anyhow, that Uberti cap and ball gun is ridiculously accurate. It takes a bit of time to load but the smoke cloud is impressive and it will place most shots in a 6" circle at 20 yards in my hands. Better shooters than I can, I am certain, get better results too.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/1/2011 11:04:14 PM   
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Neither. If you look at the back of the cylinder you'll see that it's rounded and has little stubs. That is a .44 caliber cap and ball revolver, a replica (Uberti) of the Remington 1854 "New Army" revolver used by the US Army during the civil war. It fires a .454 cal round ball over 35 grains (volume) of FFFG blackpowder. When you use the loading lever to shove a ball into the cylinder it shaves off a tiny ring of lead narrowing the ball to about .44cal.

After the introduction of the .45 colt cartridge, the army retrofitted a bunch of the percussion cap revolvers to fire .45 colt. Ima get one of those this year I hope.

Anyhow, that Uberti cap and ball gun is ridiculously accurate. It takes a bit of time to load but the smoke cloud is impressive and it will place most shots in a 6" circle at 20 yards in my hands. Better shooters than I can, I am certain, get better results too.


Funny thing about good revolvers with a long barrell, sturdy frame and a bit of weight; you can hit with them reliably.



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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/2/2011 12:56:50 AM   
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Funny thing about good revolvers with a long barrell, sturdy frame and a bit of weight; you can hit with them reliably.


I always had a better better hit rate with revolvers, preferably .357 magnum, 6" barrel - due to the lower recoil in comparison to .44 or .454 casull. Unless I fired .44 magnum with a gas-operated Desert Egle, but then again this gun is rather unreliable.

Anyway, the gun talk here sounds tempting. Let me think about visiting the range once again.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/2/2011 1:02:02 AM   
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Funny thing about good revolvers with a long barrell, sturdy frame and a bit of weight; you can hit with them reliably.


I always had a better better hit rate with revolvers, preferably .357 magnum, 6" barrel - due to the lower recoil in comparison to .44 or .454 casull. Unless I fired .44 magnum with a gas-operated Desert Egle, but then again this gun is rather unreliable.

Anyway, the gun talk here sounds tempting. Let me think about visiting the range once again.


Yes exactly, the 0.357 with a 6" barrell is an accurate gun. Even more accurate I've found is a 0.22LR pistol of the same general configuration.



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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/2/2011 4:21:19 AM   
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Status: offline 		Recoil is the thing that makes or breaks a shot as far as I can tell. But I'm no pistolero or nuthin. The New Army and good replicas don't have much recoil and yeah, the frame is sturdy and the bbl 8." It has no adjustable sight but you learn where the sight picture is with each gun after about 2 shots and you're good.

Ruger semiautos also have very very good accuracy in their .22LRs. The real test of my ability will come when I get a New Army Conversion... that's the one where the cap and ball cylinder is replaced with a .45 Long Colt. Much more recoil in the .45 Colt than in the cap n' ball gun.

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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/3/2011 9:23:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		Indeed? I wasnt aware they changed the law. Remarkably my brother and his father in law had to attend a course to gain the concealed carry permit. This predates your stated law change, and when I took my P94 in to trade it for the Glock I was asked IF I had such a permit by the shop owner. Hell what you state is great news, I can carry my Glock concealed with no reason to get the permit.

At any rate I am picking up a Spike's M4 Tactical MOE this wenesday with the TA-33 ACOG and I will ask the dealer for specifics on the law changes. As a aside I opted for the Spike's over the S&W as it seems to be a better value.

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You can easily get a carry permit here in Arizona. You need to attend a class and im sure you cannot have a record, my brother has one as does his father in law who always wears a sidearm.


You don't need a carry permit in Arizona. It has for decades (?) been permissible to openly carry any firearm without a permit, and last July it became permissible to carry a concealed firearm without a permit. No classes, no permit, no licensing. Of course, you're not allowed to own or carry one if you're a convict or under a judicial restraining order for something, but that has always been the case too.

As to the original question, the type of longarm really depends on what I'm trying to hunt. 12ga Shotgun for general upland game and birds. A .22LR Ruger 10/22 for late winter rabbits. .243 Ruger 77 RSI for deer and pronghorn, or a .452 cal saboted muzzleloader for same if I draw a frontstuffer tag. .30-06 for larger deer/elk/moose, mtn lions, and bear. I often augment my longarm with a sidearm.

I'm buying bonus points for buffalo (Bison). If I ever draw a tag I will buy an Uberti/Sharps 1871 buffalo rifle in .45/90.



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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/3/2011 3:56:51 PM   
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Indeed? I wasnt aware they changed the law. Remarkably my brother and his father in law had to attend a course to gain the concealed carry permit. This predates your stated law change, and when I took my P94 in to trade it for the Glock I was asked IF I had such a permit by the shop owner. Hell what you state is great news, I can carry my Glock concealed with no reason to get the permit.


Yes. The change occurred last July.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/07/29/20100729arizona-concealed-weapons-law.html

AZ Republic from 29 July 2010


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Today is the day gun-rights advocates have had in their sights for a long time.

Starting today, Arizona residents at least 21 years old can carry a concealed weapon without a permit.



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RE: So what type of LONGARM do you use? - 1/4/2011 1:50:03 AM   
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Indeed? I wasnt aware they changed the law. Remarkably my brother and his father in law had to attend a course to gain the concealed carry permit. This predates your stated law change, and when I took my P94 in to trade it for the Glock I was asked IF I had such a permit by the shop owner. Hell what you state is great news, I can carry my Glock concealed with no reason to get the permit.


Yes. The change occurred last July.

http://www.azcentral.com/arizonarepublic/local/articles/2010/07/29/20100729arizona-concealed-weapons-law.html

AZ Republic from 29 July 2010


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Today is the day gun-rights advocates have had in their sights for a long time.

Starting today, Arizona residents at least 21 years old can carry a concealed weapon without a permit.





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