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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 4:36:33 PM   
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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 5:04:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		WE cannot give you a specific date. Only Matrix can do that.

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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 5:09:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey one of you guys last month said by the end of january 2011 are you welching on that now? Dang welshmen.

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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 5:11:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		I said, the release date we were told was 4th Quarter 2010. I don't know of anyone saying January 2011. What will happen like it always does is one day MATRIX will tell you when they will release it. Those on the development team have no control over when MATRIX releases the update.

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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 5:54:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		Okay, okay, no problem. I understand. In the mean time we know you guys make this game as good as you can, so the time is used well. No problem.

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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 6:01:31 PM   
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The big maps with lots of trees are really tough on slower systems. We have found a way to use the grass system to make big trees that don't use up the resources like the 3D trees do. These can be placed off to the sides and corners where you are not playing or looking as much and will be behind a line of 3D trees so that hopefully the appearance is pleasing. This requires learning how to put it in your battle, trial and error the sizes, adding it to previous maps, finding crashes and what caused them, fixing the crashes, and so on.

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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 6:50:55 PM   
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Status: offline 		Erik said and I QUOTE:
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Hi guys,

Pre-Christmas is not going to happen, unfortunately. We have two releases left to get out in the time we have before Christmas and PCO did not make it onto the list in time. We are exremely close though, I would guess by the end of January 2011 is realistic. Regards,

- Erik



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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 7:06:40 PM   
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Erik said and I QUOTE:
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Hi guys,

Pre-Christmas is not going to happen, unfortunately. We have two releases left to get out in the time we have before Christmas and PCO did not make it onto the list in time. We are exremely close though, I would guess by the end of January 2011 is realistic. Regards,

- Erik




This was posted before the new grass system was implemented. As J2D posted earlier, the programmer found a way to implement this new system which should improve the looks of the maps, and also make it possible for lower-end systems to perform better on some larger maps, but the changes also impact LOS for units (in a very good way). Everyone is working really hard to get the scenarios that will be in the demo retrofitted with all the new map features, and balanced for playability.

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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 9:24:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		How low are we talking on low end systems? The PIII 160?

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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 9:28:36 PM   
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RE: Status? - 1/15/2011 11:33:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		A large amount of time spent on this update was to improve the performance of the game for lower end machines. To make it run faster and smoother. That continues to be one of our main goals.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 5:52:46 AM   
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A large amount of time spent on this update was to improve the performance of the game for lower end machines. To make it run faster and smoother. That continues to be one of our main goals.

Good Hunting.

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At this point, y'all have committed to this, so what's done is done. However, I think that you can get carried away with an attempt to serve the retro-community. IIRC, a guy "went postal" on a distinguished member of your effort for not supporting his preferred version of Internet Explorer. Really, fellas, sometimes you just gotta leave the old-gear behind and write your game for the here-and-now.


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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 7:04:55 AM   
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Status: offline 		There's quite a bit to suit those of us with comps that can handle the nicer looking stuff. The good thing is that it's not just eye candy now- grass offers cover, etc.

Again, the engine is very mod-able. If you don't like the looks of it, it's pretty easy to change it to suit. But we've been fixing it up for the last few years, so we are hoping you all think it's up to snuff.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 1:18:59 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Prince of Eckmühl

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ORIGINAL: Mad Russian

A large amount of time spent on this update was to improve the performance of the game for lower end machines. To make it run faster and smoother. That continues to be one of our main goals.

Good Hunting.

MR


At this point, y'all have committed to this, so what's done is done. However, I think that you can get carried away with an attempt to serve the retro-community. IIRC, a guy "went postal" on a distinguished member of your effort for not supporting his preferred version of Internet Explorer. Really, fellas, sometimes you just gotta leave the old-gear behind and write your game for the here-and-now.



I agree 100% this patch is near 3 years old now they decide they want to improve the performance for ancient computers?? Release what you have now you know there's still going to be bugs and issues no matter when you release it and you're still going to have to do another patch for this. You can't do 3 years of code or improvements and not have issues. Enough wait already this is getting ridiculous.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 1:49:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		Matrix shouldn't wait too long. Combat Mission Normandy is coming...and after that it will be hard to keep the attention of wargamers...

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 1:51:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Just to clear things up, PCK was released in April 2008. This team didn't start working on the update until December 2009. All that you see now has been done in a year.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 2:26:36 PM   
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Matrix shouldn't wait too long. Combat Mission Normandy is coming...and after that it will be hard to keep the attention of wargamers...


We are not worried about beating them out the door, they are worried about us.

The people that are getting this for free don't need to worry about their gaming budget. They can have both.

One is East Front WEGO
The other is a piece of West Front RT WEGO.
We can coexist.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 2:39:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		Of that I'm sure. With a little luck we can fight a two-front war this spring. Another question, do you already have some thoughts on what comes after PCO? Will you go westfront too, or improve PCO? Personally I would prefer improving PCO. You could for example develop a Stalingrad module, with large factory areas, of a Winterwar module, with the Finns. Just curious whether you guys have any ideas about the future.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 3:46:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		LOL we all have ideas and some of them match.

I lobbied for the Finns a long time ago as a mod. The hardcoded things would still say German but the symbols and icons can be modded to Finn as well as taking the German and Russian AFVs and reskinning them. To look right someone would have to make a soldier model too.

I think most of us would like to go West.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 4:00:47 PM   
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Just to clear things up, PCK was released in April 2008. This team didn't start working on the update until December 2009. All that you see now has been done in a year.


Just to clear things up even more Koios started working on the patch before this team got ahold of it. Matrixgames lost Koios in 09 and then you picked it up and started work on it. So the patch is for a near 3 year old game regardless of who's been working on the patch lately.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 4:05:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		Fortunately for you, you spend all your time posting on websites about all the games that you have, so you will keep busy while we work on it.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 4:50:36 PM   
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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 4:58:54 PM   
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Enough wait already this is getting ridiculous.



Basically, this is a massive free patch made by a team of modders and a really good coder. It's actually very close to release.

It's certainly rich to be told to "hurry up and gimmeee" when none of us are on the payroll, and are producing a labor of love and then sharing it with the rest of you (which we want to do ASAP). We have been forthecoming with lots of updates and screens, it's not like there hasn't been a progression shown on the forum.

It has been a LOT (a LOT) of work to get this far. I have an incredibly busy life beyond fiddling with 3D models and such, and sometimes I would rather be doing something else (like have some actual leisure time) besides doing data entry on the 50 or so types of trees I have produced. Something changes and things must be redone. Again and again. That's how games get made, and that's why it can take years. I hope you like it when you see it, but take it easy with the bad attitude. It's nearly there. Seriously.

As for competition with any other game, not from me. I'm buying "that other game" the second it comes out, and I love that company and nearly all of their games. I've put my time in with this game because:

A. It had a lot of potential to be a very good turn based game

B. It's based on the Eastern Front (a very large reason personally)

C. It was mod-able in nearly every way.

So, no competition from me, at least. Friendly camaraderie is how to look at it.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 6:07:51 PM   
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Status: offline 		Yes, this game is perfect for the western front too. Think battle of the Ardennes for example. One can NEVER have too many games about that period of the war. Personally I prefer the period of 1944-45 and I can't wait play battles and campaigns with PCO set in those years.

And I think it is incredible what you guys, volunteers and gifted amateurs, put in this game, without any reward but the joy of it and our ingratitude. I salute you all. And don't let our moaning and pushing get under your skin. You are doing a SUPERB job and we all know it.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 6:44:35 PM   
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Status: offline 		Is it not within the game's abilities to represent any time period or forces with people just designing and adding the units? Could not this latest Ostfront update be further modded(I do know that it would be a huge one but none-the-less) to represent the West/Ardennes?

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 6:56:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		It could certainly be made to represent the Ardennes.

Some knowledge of 3D modeling would be necessary to make the US forces. The map maker would do any Western front locale as it is now (or North Africa, for that matter). I have even added "German style" houses to the buildings, so that could get you a reasonable facsimile of the urban landscape.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 7:15:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		The interface is hardcoded to Germans vs Soviets. You can make models of anything and put in the game. I have played battles with the stats of M60A1s vs T-62s using existing models of Shermans and T34s but the screens will show Germans and Soviets.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 7:46:48 PM   
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Status: offline 		I wonder if this would not be the way to go with the next installments, sort of a toolbox idea. The hardcode would provide the basics for several user-made upgrades. Maybe something along the lines of the Flames of War miniture tabletop series. A basic framework core game is there with the ability of both user-made and official purchased battles/fronts/nationalities or whathave you. That has always been the worst part of the CM series is that we are stuck with whatever Battlefront gave us, mistakes and all.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 7:52:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't work for Matrix but if I had a game company I would make something hardcoded so that you would buy the next game in a series.

Slitherine's BBC BA is so wide open you can do anything with it. They are still selling expansions because some people don't have the talent or desire to make their own stuff and are willing to pay for more content.

We have discussed these kinds of things but nothing is written in stone.

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RE: Status? - 1/16/2011 7:55:02 PM   
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Enough wait already this is getting ridiculous.



Basically, this is a massive free patch made by a team of modders and a really good coder. It's actually very close to release.

It's certainly rich to be told to "hurry up and gimmeee" when none of us are on the payroll, and are producing a labor of love and then sharing it with the rest of you (which we want to do ASAP). We have been forthecoming with lots of updates and screens, it's not like there hasn't been a progression shown on the forum.

It has been a LOT (a LOT) of work to get this far. I have an incredibly busy life beyond fiddling with 3D models and such, and sometimes I would rather be doing something else (like have some actual leisure time) besides doing data entry on the 50 or so types of trees I have produced. Something changes and things must be redone. Again and again. That's how games get made, and that's why it can take years. I hope you like it when you see it, but take it easy with the bad attitude. It's nearly there. Seriously.



The problem, to me, seems the game is infinitely improvable, leading to an indefinite release date. I'm almost afraid to come on here and request new features that will further push out the release date to implement.

If we just say "Go ahead, take your time, do it right, etc," then this game would never be released.

Look at the Kharkov release! Wow, certainly an unpolished gem, but really, how much polishing are you guys going to actually do before it is ready?




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