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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/20/2011 12:00:00 AM

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I know many JFB abandon Ichang early on, but it is an important base for me as far as my plans go. Unfortunately, my inexperience at the Japan side puts me at a disadvantage as I am just trying to figure out how to free up some AS from garrison duties. I have moved a lot of stuff now and hoepfully I will be able to stave off his advances. We have three bases now invested as you can see from the map

Based on the deployment of forces at start, you should be able to squat in Sinyang pretty much forever until you can bring up enough reinforcements to kick out the Chinese - or try to pin them and cut them off; and you should only have to rail in a couple of good-quality brigades to clear the Paotow area investment. But you could easily lose Ichang (and your opponent is smart to have moved into the eastern woods, as well) unless you sent / are sending heavy reinforcements up the road from Hankow.

Good luck!

The first two things you mentioned are already in the works. I already have a Ind BGD plus a Chinese Div in place on the road from Hankow to Ichang. In addition I have another BGD and eventually a full Div moving in plus lots of arty. I sent one Div towards Changsha to act as a blocking force and am moving a second Div from Wuchang north to Ichang. Those moves should eventually turn the tables. Right now I have a plan to clear the northern Chinese plain of resistance and then move forces into position to start an offensive soon. This definitely takes any steam out of a offensive towards Changsha but I wasn't going there anyway.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/20/2011 12:33:12 AM

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In Kweisuei, you start with level 4 forts, in defensive terrain, and enemy forces are not well supplied and far from their bases. You should be able to withstand the first assault. After that, the enemy will lack supplies, and you can rail one or two regiments in (from Tatung or Chenting), and use them for a counter attack if your opponent was foolish enough to stay in the hex.

In northern China, it is a good idea to have a couple of regiments in strategic mode somewhere on railroad bases. Since the rail network is quite dense, they can easily reach any base under attack. They will defend at a disadvantage (being in strat mode) but their numbers will be enough to prevent the base from falling.

Around Ichang, in my opinion, the best you can do is to try to attack in the woods, in the east (reinforcing from Hankow). If your Ichang garrison holds for a while (it is possible, you have forts there as well), this will allow them either to fall back, or be reinforced. If Ichang falls, you will need this hex to prevent troops from Ichang to link with those attacking Sinyang.

And like Blackhorse says, don't worry too much about Sinyang. Even if it falls, it does not compromise your supply lines to Hankow and Wuchang, and the Allies will have a lot of trouble to defend it.

Since your opponent apparently chose to be active in China, you need to take some time moving units around. Basically, you want to use the collaborationists (RGC and the like) to fullfill garrison duties, and free your good IJA regiments, brigades and divisions. You also want to move armor toward the frontlines, they are deadly against chinese corps (and you'll need to move engineers too, pretty soon). Are you free to move your units from Manchuria into northern China, or do you have a rule restricting this?

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/20/2011 12:39:08 AM

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No Manchuko units cannot enter China for free; HR is units need to pay PP to cross national borders. This makes the Allies pay to leave India and me pay to move stuff from Manchuko.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/20/2011 12:50:48 AM

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What if you select "Do Not Retire" and select a higher risk tolerance for your invasion task forces? Of course, they will need a surface escort or things could go badly. Put some Betty son naval attack so the bad guys can't send in bigger surface forces with impunity.

Re. the title, couldn't one be both brave AND stupid? One would need enough smarts to recognize the danger in one's course of action but one could still be really bad a math, for eg.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/20/2011 12:56:46 AM

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No Manchuko units cannot enter China for free; HR is units need to pay PP to cross national borders. This makes the Allies pay to leave India and me pay to move stuff from Manchuko.

Then, you need to spend some time shuffling garrisons to free your better units. All units from the RGC, NCPC, and some of the Mongol Garrison are your garrison troops. Don't send them in exposed locations, they are bad in combat, and don't even think of changing their leaders... This should free quite a number of good troops, many in the northern plains (where you need them).

It is not the funniest aspect of the game, though...

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/20/2011 1:13:34 AM

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What if you select "Do Not Retire" and select a higher risk tolerance for your invasion task forces? Of course, they will need a surface escort or things could go badly. Put some Betty son naval attack so the bad guys can't send in bigger surface forces with impunity.

O have been trying to put a surface escort with everybody if possible. What led to the above fiasco was I diverted a SCTF from one invasion to the Ternateforce with the meet/follow command. While the command sequence worked perfectly, it create the less than optimal TF sequence. Word is it is best to have teh AMPH TF follow the SCTF rather than vice versa. My need to keep tempo up was the ultimate cause. With three day turns, I am endevoring to keep every TF on the map moving every turn which is no easy fete

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Re. the title, couldn't one be both brave AND stupid? One would need enough smarts to recognize the danger in one's course of action but one could still be really bad a math, for eg.

Hmm. A bit Hellerian there don't you think there?

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/20/2011 8:21:47 AM

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20-22 December 1941

Ichang falls and my units retreat SW. Now I will be focused on extracting them. The map indicates my general directions of movement. Up north will be stabilied probably by the end of this cycle. Sinyang may not hold. I only have 80 AV there. Once every thing is set I will rush a good IJA DIv in there to shore everything up. My opponent contends this is his best answer to the China issue - occupy cities where he can actually hold the ground. If he hadn't brough most of the RAF bomber force up to fight I might buy that - I told him I have no problem with what he has done. Best way to learn is in defeat I always say. Still I know that the Japanese Army has the upper hand here. I just had no idea who could move and where. My opponent with plenty of AFB experience knew exactly what he wanted to do. My A6M2 did a pretty good job eliminating the bomber threat. If nothing else the RAF bomber pool will be empty for a while.

Manus, Batangas, and Iba were the only base to fall this turn cycle. Kuching will fall next cycle. Ternate and Menado should be falling but some one forgot to unclick the "Do Not Unload" button. I three day turns, that can be lethal. They will offload this next cycle. I suspect the Miri and Brunei forces will do so likewise. Troops will also land at Davao and Cagayan.

My troops had caught up with the Allies on the central RR in Malaya and arrived at Alor Star. The latter will fall this turn and the Allies should be pushed back one hex. Supplies are in good shape in Malaya, the PI, and Truk. They are a little short in the Palaus - convoy en route.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/20/2011 9:45:06 AM

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Amphibious TFs should be set to the direct route and absolute threat tolerance. I find this works reasonably well.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/21/2011 12:50:17 AM

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Fat R: I did have at least one TF that was set at direct/absolute that did try to retire, but it also took losses from a PT encounter. Perhaps that was the cause of the withdraw

23-25 December 1941

First, things are stabilizing in China. Units are pulling back from the Ichang retreat to Hangkow. Then Sinyang will be dealt with accordingly. Up North evryhting is stabilized and I might even start some counter thrusts to undo what my opponent felt was his best opening move. The RAF has disappeared. I figure the mauling it took once I put Type 0 into theatre will be felt for some time. My shock attack at Hong Kong just missed 1 to 1. My units are sufficiently disrupted now that I will have to bombard for three turns.

In the PI, both Manilla and Clark Field are invested. I am a little surpised to find a sizable garrison at both locales. Most Allied players choose one or the other to make there stand. I never try to hold at Manilla because the retreat path is not towards Bataan. Bombardments are ordered at both bases for these three turns. I will be very interested in what the base AS will be for each stack. I landed at both Davao and Cagayan. There may be more force than I can handle at Cagayan so only bombardments there while I shoot in some more units. Deliberate Attack ordered at Davao

In Malaya, I took Alor Star and push the little BF down the road another hex. Rinse and repeat next cycle. Of note there is not air resistance over Singapore. I destroyed 56 Buffaloes in the cycle previous to the last one. Perhaps that is the end of what the RAF can put up.

Kuching fell and an Air HQ is 90% unloaded. I moved a unit of A6M2, G3M, and G4M in this turn. Lets see what I can stir up in the Java Sea. Menado, Ternate, Miri, and Brunei all were invaded in the last cycle. Hopefull they will all fall this cycle. Little base just east of Sorong was invaded and will fall.

Retrieved a couple of Nav Guard units from Jaluit. First one heads for Tarawa under SCTF care.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/22/2011 2:28:39 AM

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Ran two turn cycles today because I was awoken at one AM by the sound of one of my trees surrendering to the force of all the ice on it. Scared the bejeepers out of me and with the adrenaline rush, I couldn't sleep. Looked in the e-mail and yippee a turn!

First cycle was pretty mundane. Davao fell. Cagayan did not because I did not bring enough. I knew that so more was alread inbound. Manado did not fall because that was the unit that ran into the PT's and lost one othe xAK's. I FastTran'd a SNLF from Baldebob. Should fall this turn.

I warned both my opponents I may go offline without notice. I have branches laying over the power lines at both home and work, but because I am one of the lucky ones with power it will be days before mine are attended to. It was pouring down rain last night - I mean coming down in buckets. Temp was hovering at 31-32 degrees. No a good combo. I was awakened when my tree snapped because it sounded like a bomb went off in the back yard. I was looking out the door to see how bad and the sky kept lighting up every 10-15 seconds. I thought it was lightning but then realized there was no thunder. It was dozens of power lines being snapped in rapid succession. I will take all the snow in the world over effing freezing rain!

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/22/2011 4:00:55 AM

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It was dozens of power lines being snapped in rapid succession. I will take all the snow in the world over effing freezing rain!

I know the feeling, but be careful what you ask for. Last winter we had two back-to-back snowstorms that dropped 3" of wet snow. The explosions I heard in my backyard were seven (!) trees going down together in a heap.

Re: China. Think about letting Sinyang be, even if he takes it, and trying to cut off his troops there by driving straight for Nanyang.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 2/22/2011 4:20:45 AM

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It was dozens of power lines being snapped in rapid succession. I will take all the snow in the world over effing freezing rain!

I know the feeling, but be careful what you ask for. Last winter we had two back-to-back snowstorms that dropped 3" of wet snow. The explosions I heard in my backyard were seven (!) trees going down together in a heap.

Re: China. Think about letting Sinyang be, even if he takes it, and trying to cut off his troops there by driving straight for Nanyang.

Sinyang fell this turn cycle. I am moving units towards Nanyang already. I was spooked a little by some of the units counts. The I did some probing attacks and Adm Spruance seems to have divided every KMT Corps and Div. Son when I see 27 units at a base, it most likely is really nine units (but I don't really know now do I). Cute trick but it only works once. My opponent is using some psych-ops a little. He is talking a very big game about China and his ability to limit me. He just attacked the only two bases with no IJA regulars. He is about to be pushed back in several places

I am at considerable AS disavantages at both Manila (700 to 350) and Clark Field (1000 to 650). I have some more units including an Arm RGT about to arrive Batangas to bolster Manila's AS. I am going to just focus on aerial bombardment of the AB's for a few weeks. The Allies are now contained. I know that two or three weeks of determined airfield attack will blow through even a large pile of supplies. I am in no hurry here. I will not use arty until I am closer to the actual attacks so as to not enhance the enemy LCU's EXP.

Tarawa fell, and the little base East of Sorong that begins with an M. Ternate, Brunei, and Miri are Japanese now. The first TK is loading at Brunei and heading for Baldebob as it is out of fuel. Tarakan and Menado should fall next cycle. Both axes advanced one hex in Malaya.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/1/2011 3:05:31 AM

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Been extrordinarily busy of late. Game has moved quite a bit but the AAR is hard to keep up.

We are now at January 18th. Highlights:

* Stalemate on Luzon. I lack sufficient AS to budge him out of either Manila or Clark Field. However, Hong Kong fell on 3 January so the 38th ID is now inbound to Batangas then Manila. I have two Inf RGT from the HI inbound too,

* Oosthaven and Prad (near Palembang) are now Japanese. As some as my ID catches up we will jump the river into Palembang

* All of Mindanao except for Cagayan and Zamboanga are mine. Inf Rgt will arrive Cagayan in a few turns

* All three bases near Kuching are Japanese now.

* KB went on a cruise in the Java Sea and found nobody home. No SCTf etc. It appears Adm Spruance did a full scale bug out

* I am about two thirds of the way down the Malay Peninsula. Not going to make Singapore by 1 February.

* I took Moulmein and am on Tavoy's door step. Did the back door thing through Rahang. Again no evidence of resistance

* I lost Sinyang but am a turn or two away from having it completely surround. Well completely surrounded except for the one clear hex SW of the base where the Chinese will retreat to after I run them out. Then I will fall upon them from three angles and keeeeel them.

* Presently I have troops embarked for Samarinda, Balikpapan, and Sorong. These should go off in rapid succession. In addition. TF inbound to Tarakan where tow SNLF will be picked up for other SRA invasions. KB has restocked its airwing and is headed to Truk. Then I will load up about 6 TF and will hit Rabaul and the entire New Britain/PNG region simultaneously. I know I could have grabbed some of this early but Adm Spruance is a wily foe and I would not be surpsied to find the USN in the area if I ventured there soon.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/6/2011 5:41:42 AM

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This game just moves at breakneck speed.

2 February 1942 update.

* I am almost there in Malaya. Just very hard to keep tempo with 3-day turns.

* I have invested Palembang and think I have enough there to take it even though Adm Spruance moved a lot of stuff there. By taken Oosthaven first, I can put Ki-43 there to intercept transport runs

* I have enough to take Manila but just need a few more turns. Clark Field will then be a bear. Likely will just have to go to siege mode

* KB is almost to Truk. I will then doe a series of tied ops to take New Britain and the Solomons

* I have taken Tavoy and Moulmein.

* CHina is now solidifying. I am almost ready to take Sinyang back and will drive the Chinese into the open to be destroyed. that is the first image

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/6/2011 5:42:29 AM

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Situation in Malaya, Borneo and Sumatra

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/6/2011 5:42:59 AM

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Situation in the PI

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/10/2011 11:51:18 PM

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Updat through 17 February 1942.

* I am almost to Malacca

* Keep missing the 1 to 1 attack at Palembang by the smallest of margins (by 10 lousy AS points last time) This is important because of the three day turn thing. If I miss the 1 to 1 on the first turn then the attacks shut down for the next two.

* Have taken Balikpapan, Makassar, and almost all of Mindanao.

* Cannot seem to move the Chinese out of Sinyang even though I brough three more fresh Divisions in. My base AS is twice the Chinese but cannot even get a 1 to 1. I think Adm Sprunace imprted some Wehrmacht troops from WITE. He is moving 8 units in from the north to through a bigger wrench in the works. This is not the China I am used to as an AFB.

* Have the Allies bottled up at Clark and Bataan on Luzon. My opponent abandoned Manila. I have just been pounding AB for three weeks. Every "Supply Depot" hit I get is another nail in the coffin.

Current ops:

About to finish off Mindanao then I will move on the Central PI.

Have troops ashore at Kendari.

Will move on Ambon and the rest of the Celebes next.

KB is escorting troops to Rabaul. I figured my opponent might pick here to resist a little so I brough more than a token force. Will follow Rabaul up with a quick move on PNG (hopefully)

I have a question. In China, Adm Spruance has divided up every Chinese unit that he can in A,B, and C components. I at first just figured that this was just for FOW puposes to inflate unit counts. I now am wondering if it is actually to take advantage of some game mechanic. I divided all my Div at Sinyang this turn. If I see a bit difference, I may be onto something here. Any comments from any one else that has seen/tried this?

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/11/2011 2:57:43 AM

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I have a question. In China, Adm Spruance has divided up every Chinese unit that he can in A,B, and C components. I at first just figured that this was just for FOW puposes to inflate unit counts. I now am wondering if it is actually to take advantage of some game mechanic. I divided all my Div at Sinyang this turn. If I see a bit difference, I may be onto something here. Any comments from any one else that has seen/tried this?

What I usually see is that large units survive combat better and little ones get chewed up and even destroyed pretty easily.

Maybe that is his ploy, get those units destroyed so they get re-built for free at 1/3 strength back in ChungKing?

Be interesting to see ....

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/11/2011 7:01:30 AM

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ORIGINAL: vettim89

I have a question. In China, Adm Spruance has divided up every Chinese unit that he can in A,B, and C components. I at first just figured that this was just for FOW puposes to inflate unit counts. I now am wondering if it is actually to take advantage of some game mechanic. I divided all my Div at Sinyang this turn. If I see a bit difference, I may be onto something here. Any comments from any one else that has seen/tried this?

What I usually see is that large units survive combat better and little ones get chewed up and even destroyed pretty easily.

Maybe that is his ploy, get those units destroyed so they get re-built for free at 1/3 strength back in ChungKing?

Be interesting to see ....

My experiment was a disaster with even worse results. I took 12 K casualties to 6 k for the Chinese. Mostly disablements but the Sinyang offensive is over for now. Only one more base to fall before I reach Singapore. No sign of resistance in the Bismark Sea Area yet. Kendari fell. Doing some test BOMB attacks at Clark Field to see if the Allies are sufficiently tenderized yet.

Now that Manila has fallen, I am moving the 33rd ID to Palembang. I do not want Adm Spruance to build that base up any more than it already is. My taken Oosthaven has helped this as he has to move everything in by air now.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/12/2011 5:17:19 AM

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My experiment was a disaster with even worse results.

Hi Vettim,

To my understanding it wouldn't make sense to split your divisions up. I too think they perform better as a cohesive unit and considering units take varying degrees of losses you may find you completely gut a division this way if say 2/3 of it's components gets whacked. Another thing to consider is leadership. Look at the leaders assigned to each component, they are often quite bad ones and I think it's better to have as few leaders as possible so you don't erode a potential positive leadership modifier in combat, every (+) modifier can make a huge difference. Just my thoughts.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/13/2011 7:32:35 PM

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The Japanese are in full retreat in central CHina. I have no idea what I am doing wrong up here. It only cements my feelings: I HATE CHINA

The IJN sweeps into the Bismark Sea. Rabaul falls. Lae, Finschhaven, Buna, Gasmata, and Slamua shoudl all fall next cycle. KB is done around Rennel Island as Tulagi will be hit next Cycle. I have troops moving towards Milne Bay. KB will sweep west after refueling to support that landing.

Mindanao should be nearly 100% IJ after next cycle. I trail AS at Clark filed 1200 to 1500 but I suspect there is little to no supply here for the Allies. Moving up a little more AS to try to dislodge the defenders here

I have Jahor Bhuara (sp?). Still collecting all the troops for the jump to Singapore. Mersing fell last turn also. Only one small fragment of a BF trapped north of this point. I have the 38th ID that is north of Brunei right now heading to Palembang. Once there I should be able to take this base. With the high number of troops already present, the jump to Java should be pretty quick.

I truly hate playing the Japan side but am commmited to play at least until Dec 1942. This was a strategic study of the 3-day turn idea and I am still interested in seeing how things unfold

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/13/2011 8:56:50 PM

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I don't know what Adm Spruance is doing, but from my experience, splitting the Chinese divisions helps to get 3x more replacements to the units. I can't see any other benefit. If a unit is full TOE, don't split it.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/14/2011 12:34:37 AM

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I don't know what Adm Spruance is doing, but from my experience, splitting the Chinese divisions helps to get 3x more replacements to the units. I can't see any other benefit. If a unit is full TOE, don't split it.

Wow. I had not considered that aspect...

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/14/2011 12:47:31 AM

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So having lost my senses I am doing the following

1. Starting a 3-day turn GC (Dec 8 start)
2. Playing Japan for the first time EVER (not even an AI game)
3. Taking on one of the most experienced AFB's on the Forums - Adm Spruance

So I am plotting the first turn. Mistakenly clicked PDU off and didn't realize it until I was three hours into plotting. Checked with my opponent and we decided to stick with it. Spent a good 45 minutes just staring at the map. It is a bit overwhelming. Finally decided that I would start with the easy stuff. Formed up a CVTF at Hiroshima/Kure and sent it to the Palaus. Broke up the subs around PH and sent them towards various points.

Will be hoping that all you JFB will take pity on this AFB and give me some help on the Economy. Tracker downloaded and installed

Grab your popcorn boys, this should be either real fun or really funny. Perhaps both

vettim89 -

My respect to you, I do not even have the courage to do even two day turns; the thought of a three day cycle gives me the heebie - jeebies! On the other hand, the days (and events!) will crank right along...

And:

Spent a good 45 minutes just staring at the map. It is a bit overwhelming

I respectfully submit that you already know how to drive; this is just a different model automobile - and you will do well.

Will follow with great interest, good luck, Sir!

Mac

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/14/2011 5:40:41 AM

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Thinking about the game and I realize part of my problem is that I have been playing as if my Allied opponent would play the game as I would. I have never have been much of a Sir Robin type myself. Always fought as best I could for the SRA. If you look at Nomad and my AAR for our defunct 2x2 DBB, you will see we had some good success with SCTF in both the Solomons and the SRA. Yes we lost some cruisers and old DD's but nothing that was irreplacable. Expecting the same kind of defense I have not moved forward anywhere without at least SCTF cover if not CV cover also. This has slowed my pace in addition to the 3 day turn thing because I only have so many SCTF to work with. Also movign all thsoe ships around burns fuel and I have had a couple of fuel crisis already.

Adm Spruance seems to pulled everything out of PNG, many of the smaller Dutch bases, and it would not surprise me to see Burma empty also. That said he has been very aggressive in China and that has thrown me as admittingly I am weak here. He has gone for the Fortress Palembang approach but I brought almost enough to undo that. Wishing now that I had brough more in the first place.

Just an interesting observation on how our preconceptions can bend our game play

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/14/2011 5:44:03 AM

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I don't know what Adm Spruance is doing, but from my experience, splitting the Chinese divisions helps to get 3x more replacements to the units. I can't see any other benefit. If a unit is full TOE, don't split it.

Wow. I had not considered that aspect...

I haven't convinced myself if splitting corps aids reinforcement rates or not, but there is a big downside. One of the subunits can upgrade a TOE line item (like the 75mm guns) and then you are stuck not being able to recombine (since the replacement rate is so poor on such line items, it might be a *long* time before the other subunits can upgrade)

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/14/2011 1:57:38 PM

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Just an interesting observation on how our preconceptions can bend our game play

You're right of course ... something most of us, especially me, fall prey to. I actually think this is what Nemo uses to his best advantage ...

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/18/2011 5:45:59 AM

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We have reached 8 March 1942

* Units are 3/4 of the way across the causeway to Singapore

* Palembang fell on the 7th. Refineries are 748(272), Oil is 660(340). Supplies are at 58K. So it will take the better part of a year to get everything back but I have seen worse. I have a SNLF about to take Djambi so the retreat path is cut off. I am sending the 38th Div in pursuit of the stack as it is the freshest. The other two Div will move to Oosthaven for repair prior to going to Java. The will go at less than full strength as time is a wasting

* Milne Bay should fall this turn. I brought Engineers to build this base up ASAP.

* Moving forward slowly towards Pegu. More a reconnasance in force really. I want to see if Adm Spruance has indeed evacuated Burma

* Sorry about the poor image but I just threw it together. The white numbers are Chinese unit counts China is a godawful mess. You can see the chinese are in full offensive mode and I cannot stop them. Huge stacks of units are move south from Ichang and threaten my center. I am moving up what units that can be spared from garrison duty to firm up this flank. If any of you can explain this to me I sure would appreciate it

* I tried a deliberate attack at Clark that reduced the forts to 2. How they got to 2 in the first place is a mystery to me as this base has been pounded since the first week of the war. Recon has never shown the damage below 70%

Being a neophyte JFB, I found 6 Nav Gd units just sitting at Tokyo plus a SNLF at Hiroshima. In addition I found two Garrison units in the HI also that are assigned to 14th army. Ships moving to pick all this units up. Hopefully we we see some lightening moves in the SRA in a couple of weeks.

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/18/2011 6:23:55 AM

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* I tried a deliberate attack at Clark that reduced the forts to 2. How they got to 2 in the first place is a mystery to me as this base has been pounded since the first week of the war. Recon has never shown the damage below 70%

With the number of engrs at Clark, it only takes a couple of days and I am frequently not able to keep enough damage on Clark the first few days to keep them from getting up to 2. I generally can prevent level 3 forts. Bataan starts with level 3 ....

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RE: Walking the Fine Line Between Bravery and Stupidity... - 3/24/2011 12:59:32 AM

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21 March 1942

Tokyo Rose has come on the radio and made the grand announcement. It took over a month past historical but Singapore falls.

TF heading to Singers and Oosthaven. Lifting 3 ID to Java post haste.

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