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RE: What would be the result IRL? - 2/9/2011 1:16:40 PM

darbycmcd

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But according to
http://www.usaaf.net/digest/t162.htm

Far East AF only lost 37 heavy bombers to enemy ac in all of 42 (from 1797 sorties). So it is difficult to believe that there was some sort of carnage in the sky. As FatR points out, it is possible for high loss rates to occur, but the reality is it just didn't happen that often. FEAF heavy bombers flew 54k combat effective sorties in the war and lost 231 to enemy ac. Of course many (most?) of these are not bombing missions against heavy opposition, but it is still difficult to reconcile reality with the expectations people have of an AVERAGE result being a high kill rate... it just didn't happen in the war.

As PaxMondo points out, there was a mistique about the ruggedness of the B17 that grew that was somewhat overblown, but the Japanese still only shot down a tiny handful of them. You point out the summer of '42 as an example of high losses sustained by the bomber force, but there were only 14 total heavy bomber losses from May to Aug (from ac) from 500 sorties. so a 2% shoot-down rate, which probably was not sustainable for the Americans at this point, it isn't an aerial Verdun either.

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RE: What would be the result IRL? - 2/9/2011 2:48:03 PM

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This topic as usual got me thinking about the old 666 from the series Dogfights

Old 666

And stumbled onto this page about Jay Zeamer which is an interesting read for those inclined.

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RE: What would be the result IRL? - 2/9/2011 4:56:19 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SuluSea

This topic as usual got me thinking about the old 666 from the series Dogfights

Old 666

And stumbled onto this page about Jay Zeamer which is an interesting read for those inclined.

Great link... the story of Jay Zeamer on Home of Heroes. Thanks for posting it.

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RE: What would be the result IRL? - 2/9/2011 6:02:47 PM

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This is not intended to start another massive debate over whether the game is right or wrong in the way it handles 4E combat. I am simply curious as to what players think the end result of this combat would have been had this occurred in real life. The B-17s came from Auckland I assume and the carriers were parked one hex north of Norfolk Island.

A number between 0-4.

This is based on my researching of day to day losses in multiple theaters. In the first half of the war, the average loss per skirmish was one plane. Part of the reason for this of course is that even with large #'s of planes involved, not everyone engages and planes in general (not just 4E's) are tougher to shoot down than some might imagine.

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