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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 1:26:27 AM

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Please read this thread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/printable.asp?m=2385586

Also read and understand this thread referenced in the first link:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2377907&mpage=2&key=

The seocnd link is VERY, VERY important for you to understand if you want to have insight into how HI and pilots correlate in rader's worldview.

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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/printable.asp?m=2385586

Funny enough the second thread was started by Rader himself... got it however...but if it takes 50k clicks as they say...i bet noone with a good mental health would chose to do that

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 1:30:43 AM

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Reek, based on my limited exposure to the IJN/IJA side, they get very little intel of significance at all. Others can confirm or deny my guess, but I do not think he gets much of anything about units being prepped for this action or that. This is based on what the Japanese players have told me about their intel intercepts in the three games I've played as the Allies.

Also, as your "friend" and cheif tormentor, I join the chorus of those urging you to reframe from the Java jab.

Yes, i'm not made up my mind yet...i'm massing my reserves by now...resting and giving some breath to those troops that have been on the line for more than a year now...

This week end i'll take my decision...Another option could be Diego (if he's really retiring from India...)...

But again...my mind is still too confused by now...thank God Rader was busy this week end...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 2:30:55 AM

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Japanese intel seems worthless at first, and compared to Allied intel it is. You can glean a few hints, such as "Hmm, there are ships in Sydney." You can also extrapolate to "Hmm, maybe I got the intel today because those ships arrived in Sydney today." But that's about it.

Whether you do Java or not, think along the lines we have discussed in that Op. Think about the desired end state you want to achieve (e.g. "I want to destroy the Oil centers in the DEI," or "I want to cut off the DEI from the Home Islands" or even "I want to draw the IJN into attritional battles"). What you do is less important than how you do it. As long as you have identified a strategic goal and have operational and tactical level moves that pursue that goal - whatever it is - you will be on the right track.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 3:43:33 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Please read this thread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/printable.asp?m=2385586

Also read and understand this thread referenced in the first link:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2377907&mpage=2&key=

The seocnd link is VERY, VERY important for you to understand if you want to have insight into how HI and pilots correlate in rader's worldview.

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http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/printable.asp?m=2385586

quote:

Funny enough the second thread was started by Rader himself... got it however...but if it takes 50k clicks as they say...i bet noone with a good mental health would chose to do that

You should also reference this thread http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2941238&mpage=1&key=�
michaelm states that you can no longer pull pilots out of training. I do not know when it was changed or what version you are playing.

< Message edited by Dan Nichols -- 11/5/2011 3:45:14 AM >

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 7:04:06 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Dan Nichols

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Please read this thread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/printable.asp?m=2385586

Also read and understand this thread referenced in the first link:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2377907&mpage=2&key=

The seocnd link is VERY, VERY important for you to understand if you want to have insight into how HI and pilots correlate in rader's worldview.

quote:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/printable.asp?m=2385586

quote:

Funny enough the second thread was started by Rader himself... got it however...but if it takes 50k clicks as they say...i bet noone with a good mental health would chose to do that

You should also reference this thread http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2941238&mpage=1&key=�
michaelm states that you can no longer pull pilots out of training. I do not know when it was changed or what version you are playing.

I can't find any reference to this in any of the beta or official patch notes. This is potentially a very major change for the Japanese. It's possible that it, like so many features of the game, was changed with no consideration for the late war conditions the Japanese could, and did, find themselves in. Kamis and late-war combat over or near the HI can result in losses of hundreds per day. This change means that a Japanese player could potentilaly find himself with no replacemnts for most of a month for all of his air groups on the map.

I'm not usually one to put a lot of stock in the historical argument versus the game, but in this case to require any and all Japanese pilots to have a minimum of one year's training before they can fly is absurd. Many kami pilots had only a few HOURS.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 11:29:34 AM

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My PBEM Scenario Two with Miller went to mid August 1945. That game was pretty early in the Patch sequence, which may have an influence on what I'm about to say. Also, I did very little pilot training while Miller, the IJ player, did the full routine. The Allied advance through the DEI from early 1943 throughout 1944 was very tough and bloody, but by early 1945 the Allies had skipped across the South China Sea and had big air bases within strategic bombing range of major IJ bases in the southern Home Islands. Based upon that experience (and also Bullwinkle's comments about his late-game experience vs. the AI), here's a couple of things that I found:

1. Miller didn't radically advance the late-war uber weapons (Shinden, etc.). I wasn't facing uber weapons. I assume he would have advanced them if he could have.

2. I think Bullwinkle and some others had some very bad experiences with kamikazees. I did not. They were a threat I had to account for, but if felt about "right" to me. And that's with me not attending to pilot training.

3. Allied strategic bombing did not feel "right." Even B-29s were able to accomplish very little. My failure to pilot train might be part of the equation, but I believe Bullwinkle found the same to be true in his game. Blying B-29s at fairly long range (say 15 hexes or more) against decent fighter opposition isn't going to bludgeon Japanese industry.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 12:24:01 PM

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I think,
2. The AI doesnt care how many aircraft it puts into kamikaze service, a human might want his Emily's for search aircraft.
3. I found you have to get the B29's close, often Hokkaido or Formosa as their bases. You can hit a base hard, but its costly to keep up the effort in supply and aircraft (OPs losses are the worst)

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 12:59:15 PM

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Dear readers, dear friends, dear contributors

I've read and weighted all of your comments, taking into account the singularity of this particular match where Japan has China and India in its hands.

I've also spent the whole morning going through PzB vs AndyMac match, with particoular attention to the allied failed invasion of "W" (don't remember the exact name, north of Timor btw)... Andy arrived with a huge army and the whole allied fleet. PzB was at first caught a bit at surprise, but then managed to defeat the allies in an attrition campaign and finally repulsed the allied into the sea, destroying the whole allied CV fleet...
Andy clearly made some mistakes (who doesn't) but PzB didn't have built up nor reinforced the area before the allied invasion...yet he was able to gain always a local superiority and his ships managed to destroy the allied surface ships pretty easily. At the same time japanese LBA was able to match with allied LBA fairly well and when the KB attacked...well..

I know i'll sound like a wet flag weltered by the winter wind...but...Java operation has been halted.

Beppi was right. It's probably the worst possible choice i could make... It's clear to me that my abilities of analyze the strategic situation and the enemy capacity is still flawed and immature...

A new, less optimistic, plan is being considered in these hours.
It's just an addition to the old plan (NG+SOLOMONS).
Simply, the forces that i was assembling for Java will be used to secure the left flank of the advance in western NG, taking back the controll of northern Oz (later i'll explain the problems i have around Darwin) and support the major advance axis by securing a number of minor bases in the Ambon area (and possibly Timor).
The goal will be again the reach of Menado and Mindanao area by the end of 1944.

Yet again the new plan is still on paper...not a single order has been given yet...but...yes...now i see...Java was nothing more than a wet dream of a summer child who knows nothing about Winter

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 1:36:21 PM

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About Darwin...

i'll post a detailed screenshot later...but Darwin has been abbandoned by allied forces in early 42 because of supply problems
and never garrisoned later on.
The island right in front of Darwin have immediately be conquered by japan in early 42 and garrisoned with 10 units and built up to AF 9...
Behind this jap strong outpost, the whole Timor Area is siezed and well built, with several AFs built up to 9 and all the minor ones up to their max.
Timor alone has 125,000 troops.

I don't wanna risk too much.
So our approach will be slow and methodical.
We'll get to Darwin using 3 routes.
We'll start moving transports to Alice spring, flying supplies and Eng up to Katherine. From there up to Darwin, while a small force will march to the northern city.
From Mareuake we'll start conquering the dot bases on the gulf south east of Darwin and slowly building them up.
The bulk of our forces will move from Perth up to Port Hedland and Derby (that are already built up to their max) and will get ready to jump to Bathurst Island.

When these "low risk" operations will be finished, we'll be ready to move north...i will try to avoid a long campaign in Timor...would like to move to Ambon area with the support of the LBA so to cover the flank of the future advances in eastern NG.

Anyway...one step at time...

The next operations will be Choiseul Bay and Tresury (as soon as Munda becomes operational), followed up by Torokina and Buka for the SOPAC.
In SWPAC we'll keep on advancing towards Salamua and Lae extending our air supremacy in the region, while from Mereuake raiders and eng will fast conquer the dot bases early mentioned.
In the meantime the Perth Army will get ready...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 2:00:58 PM

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GreyJoy,

have you become a wolf, or why did you forget these words that should sound familiar:

"What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger"

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

I've also spent the whole morning going through PzB vs AndyMac match,

If you have spent the whole morning reading about the epic battle between PzB and Andy Mac, in my opinion you should have noticed one really important thing: The Allied can take several really severe beatings, but they keep coming back.

I may add that in contrast to the Japanese, a lot of Allied men have blue eyes and their flesh is pale like milk. Rader should be the one who feels bad that Winter is coming. You are in command of the others, thus you should rejoice.

Personally, I believe you need to overcome a psychological barrier and make the big jump into a big operation - whichever that operation should be. Yes, you may be repulsed - but you will come back, harder and stronger.

Just my 2cts.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 2:09:52 PM

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About Japanese plane research: wasn't it temporarily borked during one of the betas? If Greyjoy and Rader used that beta, it might have had an effect especially considering how fast they flip 2-day turns.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 2:19:33 PM

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About Japanese plane research: wasn't it temporarily borked during one of the betas? If Greyjoy and Rader used that beta, it might have had an effect especially considering how fast they flip 2-day turns.

what you mean? what kind of effect? i was never aware that there were problems with nav search...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 2:23:22 PM

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ORIGINAL: hartwig.modrow

GreyJoy,

have you become a wolf, or why did you forget these words that should sound familiar:

"What is dead may never die, but rises again, harder and stronger"

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

I've also spent the whole morning going through PzB vs AndyMac match,

If you have spent the whole morning reading about the epic battle between PzB and Andy Mac, in my opinion you should have noticed one really important thing: The Allied can take several really severe beatings, but they keep coming back.

I may add that in contrast to the Japanese, a lot of Allied men have blue eyes and their flesh is pale like milk. Rader should be the one who feels bad that Winter is coming. You are in command of the others, thus you should rejoice.

Personally, I believe you need to overcome a psychological barrier and make the big jump into a big operation - whichever that operation should be. Yes, you may be repulsed - but you will come back, harder and stronger.

Just my 2cts.

Hartwig

Too many years spent with the wolves can slow a kraken... but i do not sow...and never will.

Seriously... it's an ethernal conflict inside me between boldness and coutiousness...between being a Jamie or a Tywin...Daario or Barristan

The allies can come back...for sure..i am the prooven evidence! I've lost two wars (China and India) and despite that i'm still fighting a third one!

...but that's not a reason worth enough to risk everything in a single move...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 2:53:56 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: House Stark

About Japanese plane research: wasn't it temporarily borked during one of the betas? If Greyjoy and Rader used that beta, it might have had an effect especially considering how fast they flip 2-day turns.

what you mean? what kind of effect? i was never aware that there were problems with nav search...

He said "plane research", GJ, not "nav search."

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 3:09:58 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

quote:

ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

quote:

ORIGINAL: House Stark

About Japanese plane research: wasn't it temporarily borked during one of the betas? If Greyjoy and Rader used that beta, it might have had an effect especially considering how fast they flip 2-day turns.

what you mean? what kind of effect? i was never aware that there were problems with nav search...

He said "plane research", GJ, not "nav search."

ouch...sorry. Misread...

plane research borked? So it may mean that Rader will have problems with his researches? It doesn't seem so so far...Tojos appeared in 5/1942 in hundreds and Franks were in-line in at least 100 units by late september/early nov 1943. Not to say about the Ki-100... so probably his research capabilities have been amplified by that borked beta!...I do fear we'll have to face in early 45 WAVES of shidens, me-262 and those dreaded 2E fighters that can outfly enything except the meteor...

Will be tough...

Will try to look for some infos about this borked patch...

Thx!

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 3:16:36 PM

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If you're facing super weapons in early 1945, your game is radically different than my Scenario Two game with Miller. That game ended a little over a year ago, so I suppose it's possible that patching has unleashed new capabilities, but if so I'm not aware of it.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 3:21:13 PM

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GreyJoy,

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plane research borked? So it may mean that Rader will have problems with his researches?

no, I think the borking works the opposite way

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Last time I saw it popping up, it was quite near the end of jrcars AAR. Which is very good stuff to read anyway.

Hartwig

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 3:24:08 PM

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Ok...here's an interesting thread...http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2718082&mpage=1&key=Ki%2D100&#2718204

Some say that the Ki-100 model could be advanced easily by 18 months....

...so... shidens in early 45 it's not a thing we won't see in this game i fear...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 4:01:36 PM

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I played the Downfall Scenario. Shidens definetly are a bad thing for your 4EB's

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 4:23:24 PM

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Ok, in the meanwhile i'm elaborating a possible new plan...

the 1st, 2nd and 3rd Marine divisions will be committed, along with the 7th Inf Division and the 1st CAV division.
The rest of my divisions will operate in the Solomons and NG for the operations here (Choiseul, Treasury, Buka and Torokina and the advance towards Salamua).

Rader has heavily built the southern DEI region...but a limited offensive, provided we are able to make Darwin operative again and we can conquer Bathurst Island without much problems, should make it possible to get a strong footstep in the western coast of NG by mid 1944, in order to support our advancing operations in SOPAC/SWPAC.

Just an option...but it seems doable...

The CENTPAC gamble...is too much for me at the moment... The Mariannas (the only possible target) are really well defended and every single island has been built up to its max and i have my intels that tells me several divisions and engineers are based there...it will simply be too much to chew for me at the moment

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 4:37:05 PM

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...but that's not a reason worth enough to risk everything in a single move...

Don't let Asha hear that, else she'll mock you horribly.

Anyway, one more question and then I'll revert to read only mode again:

What would be reason to risk "everything" in a single move?

Hartwig

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/5/2011 6:49:53 PM

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1. Miller didn't radically advance the late-war uber weapons (Shinden, etc.). I wasn't facing uber weapons. I assume he would have advanced them if he could have.

2. I think Bullwinkle and some others had some very bad experiences with kamikazees. I did not. They were a threat I had to account for, but if felt about "right" to me. And that's with me not attending to pilot training.

3. Allied strategic bombing did not feel "right." Even B-29s were able to accomplish very little. My failure to pilot train might be part of the equation, but I believe Bullwinkle found the same to be true in his game. Blying B-29s at fairly long range (say 15 hexes or more) against decent fighter opposition isn't going to bludgeon Japanese industry.

1. The AI does very moderate, historical-type R&D pacing. I still see a few Nate units near the HI in 1945. I haven't seen any Shindens yet in 4/45. The AI does produce a huge mass of airframes though. Peeking in 1/45 the AI had over 4500 engines in stock, several thousand finished planes, but was only making 15 HI per turn. No fuel. I don't know if the AI gets "taxed" on pipeline pilots or not (probably not), but it was starving for HI/fuel. The last fuel port it has is Palembang, and there are no tankers left running. I own the sea lanes between Sumatra and the HI.

2. Kamis have been my bane. Mostly multi-engine, trash plane models. I also think the AI converts many more units than a human player would. But maybe they should. AI pilot quality is the pits (25-30), but the kamis come in quantities which have really hurt my good amphibs.

3. I concur that B-29s aren't the terror weapons they were in RL. Part of that is the maintenance rating. I can't get more than one powerful strike per ten days or so. It's not unusual for a B-29 to come home damaged with a 17 days repair time at a Level 9 base. I've seen daylight raids at 15,000 feet with 60 B-29s do one point of damage to armament targets. When I do night manpower attacks I get Fires in five-digits, but I don't know how to correlate that to anything. I've never gotten a fire storm.

I've done a decent amount of strat damage by now, but I started from Sakhalin Island in mid-1944, not on the historic timeline. I'd say if a player didn't get started until spring 1945, from China or Formosa say, there wouldn't be enough time to do a great deal of decisive damage.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 1:44:47 AM

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Your virtual hug made my day. Now go get them! The Java area can be a godsend for your 4Es

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 8:11:14 AM

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One of the Betas had plane research advancing even if the R+D factory wasn't fully repaired (effectively accelerating late war planes). I was fixed in a later beta. I can't remember which version had the issue but if you look in the beta patch thread you should be able to find it.

Regards,

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 12:34:53 PM

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Anyway, one more question and then I'll revert to read only mode again:

What would be reason to risk "everything" in a single move?

Hartwig

Hartwig, at this point of the match, when i survived the fall of China, the disaster of India and the coming back in the Solomons after the drawback of PM and the victory in the Aleutinas?...sincerly?...the answer is noone. The allies now have finally reached a more or less parity in terms of paper strenght...For sure it will be in 1946...but we'll get there, close to the HI...risking everything now would be, imho, after all the considerations we have all made, probably un-wise, to say the least...

Always a pleasure to have you here whenever you will want to switch back to write mode

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 12:35:35 PM

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Your virtual hug made my day. Now go get them! The Java area can be a godsend for your 4Es

Nice to have you back Jeff!

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 12:38:53 PM

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One of the Betas had plane research advancing even if the R+D factory wasn't fully repaired (effectively accelerating late war planes). I was fixed in a later beta. I can't remember which version had the issue but if you look in the beta patch thread you should be able to find it.

Regards,

Daniel

I just now that the latest betas have surely lowered allied strenght by making very expensive to change from 2Es to 4Es...100 PPs now...very explensive!! I guess i will have to leave with tons of useless 2Es...

Till now my 2Es have been really useless...even the "light" zeros can put a dent to any 2Es missions...Every time i tried to use the 2Es in their historical role (naval interdiction, ground support, AF low alt strikes) i paid a HUGE price in term of highly trained pilots...

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 12:42:29 PM

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

1. Miller didn't radically advance the late-war uber weapons (Shinden, etc.). I wasn't facing uber weapons. I assume he would have advanced them if he could have.

2. I think Bullwinkle and some others had some very bad experiences with kamikazees. I did not. They were a threat I had to account for, but if felt about "right" to me. And that's with me not attending to pilot training.

3. Allied strategic bombing did not feel "right." Even B-29s were able to accomplish very little. My failure to pilot train might be part of the equation, but I believe Bullwinkle found the same to be true in his game. Blying B-29s at fairly long range (say 15 hexes or more) against decent fighter opposition isn't going to bludgeon Japanese industry.

1. The AI does very moderate, historical-type R&D pacing. I still see a few Nate units near the HI in 1945. I haven't seen any Shindens yet in 4/45. The AI does produce a huge mass of airframes though. Peeking in 1/45 the AI had over 4500 engines in stock, several thousand finished planes, but was only making 15 HI per turn. No fuel. I don't know if the AI gets "taxed" on pipeline pilots or not (probably not), but it was starving for HI/fuel. The last fuel port it has is Palembang, and there are no tankers left running. I own the sea lanes between Sumatra and the HI.

2. Kamis have been my bane. Mostly multi-engine, trash plane models. I also think the AI converts many more units than a human player would. But maybe they should. AI pilot quality is the pits (25-30), but the kamis come in quantities which have really hurt my good amphibs.

3. I concur that B-29s aren't the terror weapons they were in RL. Part of that is the maintenance rating. I can't get more than one powerful strike per ten days or so. It's not unusual for a B-29 to come home damaged with a 17 days repair time at a Level 9 base. I've seen daylight raids at 15,000 feet with 60 B-29s do one point of damage to armament targets. When I do night manpower attacks I get Fires in five-digits, but I don't know how to correlate that to anything. I've never gotten a fire storm.

I've done a decent amount of strat damage by now, but I started from Sakhalin Island in mid-1944, not on the historic timeline. I'd say if a player didn't get started until spring 1945, from China or Formosa say, there wouldn't be enough time to do a great deal of decisive damage.

mmm...so the B29s aren't a winning weapon and the Kamis are a real problem....

I've read all your threads about the Kami experiments you have made...that scared the hell out of me

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The rule says Kami will be available from 1.1.1944, right?...so few days...Oh Lord...

I have a question for you.... my CVs are all due to upgrade....The Essex class have the 10/43 upgrade which takes only 10 days and bring up the AA from 950 to 1150...is it worth to send my CVs back now?

My idea is to send just a couple of them to get this "fast" upgrade and slowly rotate them all...but does it make any real difference?

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 12:46:17 PM

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Kamis aren't available until you take a base within certain range (13 hexes??? measured by sea, not by land???) of Saigon, Tokyo or Taipai (or one of the bases on Formosa). You aren't close to any of those, so you won't see kamis for quite some time.

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RE: November rain...of blood - 11/6/2011 12:49:00 PM

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Kamis aren't available until you take a base within certain range (13 hexes??? measured by sea, not by land???) of Saigon, Tokyo or Taipai (or one of the bases on Formosa).� You aren't close to any of those, so you won't see kamis for quite some time.

Thank God!

Thank you CR!...now hopefully we'll get back on track with the pace of the game for tonight...

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