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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 12:00:12 PM   
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My friend, forget about the xAP and xAK, even if you have trillion of them. Pick APA/LSI, AKA and LST, and get in quick, then get out fast. The sooner you're away, the better it is for your marines, and assault ships will have it done in less than two turns. A Marine division seems fit enough. Give them a strong Seabees unit, a light base force for fighter defense and that should do it. But considering your naval muscle right now, I wouldn't linger to long in the area.

Your guys are prepped for the island at least, aren't they?


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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 12:03:48 PM   
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i don't have any APA or LSI AKA or LST yet...it's too early to convert them and i haven't recieved none of them yet!

Yes they're prepped...almost every one of them...i'm waiting few more turns just to be sure they'll arrive with 100 prep...i have to do something anyway mate...it's now or i'll have to wait till 1943/44...if the combined fleet comes back it's over...have to use this moment...i know it's risky but again, don't have many chances and the Marshalls seem to be the easiest target at the moment

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 12:18:22 PM   
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Maybe that waiting till 1943 is exactly what is needed.

Well, "if I were you" I would downgrade the operation into a low-risk adventure (even though it is already probably the case if you plan on using your CVEs instead of your fleet carriers) and send what is just needed to keep him honest in the area. Honestly, if he wants to take the place back, he will do it. He can obtain absolute supremacy in the air and on the sea around the place, and a whole Marine division will only get starved to death if he's willing to have them do so. Just check what happened to Andy's ill fated invasion of PzB's central Pacific outpost, and you'll see that he didn't make it out alive, even with much more and better troops, ships and planes that you are able to throw at the enemy's face right now.

So if the place is lightly defended, take the whole div, leave a sizable force to protect it, build it up quickly, but don't get into an attrition battle just like the Japanese did in the Solomons. Back then, the US Navy could barely manage it because the IJN was 4 fleet carriers short. Unfortunately not here, as far as I know...

Thank god we know where the whole kido butai is anyway, that makes it a low-risk and good training indeed.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/10/2011 10:37:52 PM   
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Thanks Fishbed...i'll consider deeply what you just said...another tough call i'd say!

May 10th...SCOODRA is invaded...he brought in the whole combined fleet for a bombardment run and then he landed 3 divisions plus 5 naval units...will follow tomorrow also because Scoodra ain't no atoll and so no shock attack was needed ...lost 4 precious units...at least i've forced him to committ en masse and so i gained more time for Karachi and Bombay...but boy...that was an overkill!!!

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 10, 42
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Night Naval bombardment of Socotra at 14,8 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

5 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
     BB Hyuga
     BB Ise
     BB Yamashiro
     BB Fuso
     CA Kako
     CA Kinugasa
     CA Aoba
     CA Kumano
     CA Suzuya
     CA Mikuma
     CA Mogami
     CA Ashigara
     CA Nachi
     CA Haguro
     CA Myoko
     CA Maya
     DD Hatsuharu
     DD Suzukaze
     DD Umikaze
     DD Shigure
     DD Shiratsuyu
     DD Maikaze


Allied ground losses:
     298 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 31 disabled
        Engineers: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
     Guns lost 24 (11 destroyed, 13 disabled)
     Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)


Airbase hits 25
Airbase supply hits 36
Runway hits 248
Port hits 26
Port fuel hits 20
Port supply hits 5

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Pre-Invasion action off Socotra (14,8)

101 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Japanese Ships
     CA Furutaka
     CL Naka
     CL Katori
     DD Nenohi
     DD Hagikaze
     DD Makigumo
     TB Kamo
     PB Teshio Maru
     PB Nichinan
     PB Awa Maru
     PB Ayaha Maru
     PB Yamadori Maru
     PB Kiso Maru
     xAP Palau Maru

Japanese ground losses:
     6 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Allied ground losses:
     23 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Ground combat at Socotra (14,8)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12019 troops, 68 guns, 178 vehicles, Assault Value = 514

Defending force 55620 troops, 512 guns, 234 vehicles, Assault Value = 1769


Allied ground losses:
     8 casualties reported
        Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
        Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
        Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
   75th Indian Brigade
   46th Indian Brigade
   100th Indian Brigade
   99th Indian Brigade
   Socotra RN Det

Defending units:
   Sasebo 8th SNLF
   16th Engineer Regiment
   43rd Naval Guard Unit
   41st Naval Guard Unit
   44th Naval Guard Unit
   38th Division
   20th Infantry Regiment
   47th Naval Guard Unit
   Imperial Guards Division
   9th Infantry Regiment
   4th Guards Division
   5th Guards Engineer Regiment
   15th Army
   31st Special Base Force


He then came with 3 more BBs to bomb Addu...again death and destruction...oh Lord...it's depressing to see this annihilation knowing i cannot do anything about it...

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/11/2011 2:17:48 AM   
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quote:

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Thanks Fishbed...i'll consider deeply what you just said...another tough call i'd say!

May 10th...SCOODRA is invaded...he brought in the whole combined fleet for a bombardment run and then he landed 3 divisions plus 5 naval units...will follow tomorrow also because Scoodra ain't no atoll and so no shock attack was needed ...lost 4 precious units...at least i've forced him to committ en masse and so i gained more time for Karachi and Bombay...but boy...that was an overkill!!!


Was it?

I doubt those divisions are going very far south after they rest a bit and re-board transports.

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/11/2011 4:44:33 AM   
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quote:

Defending units:
   Sasebo 8th SNLF
   16th Engineer Regiment
   43rd Naval Guard Unit
   41st Naval Guard Unit
   44th Naval Guard Unit
   38th Division
   20th Infantry Regiment
   47th Naval Guard Unit
   Imperial Guards Division
   9th Infantry Regiment
   4th Guards Division
   5th Guards Engineer Regiment
   15th Army
   31st Special Base Force


I find it fascinating that he is bothering to throw those Naval Guards units into the fight. I guess that he is trying to get a quick overkill while leaving his good divisions to move through India.

If the Naval Guards are out in the Indian Ocean "playing soldier", then maybe your Pacific Adventure might work after all... At least until Radar cleans up India...

Good luck

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/11/2011 7:03:23 AM   
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Bullwinkle, i too doubt those units will go south. Probably they will land back in India within a couple of weeks but however those weeks lost for Scoodra are weeks gained by Karachi under my POV...couldn't do much more. Rader stated when he discovered there were 6 units at Scoodra he changed his plans and overcommitted cause he wanted to be sure that a disaster like Attu (where he lost 3 Naval Guards units) was not going to be repeated.

I'm pretty sure the Pacific is almost undefended at the moment. Saw some movements during these last days around the Marshalls...3 TFs spotted...anyway all those units in India (and i mean not only combat units...he brought every single engeneer, AA, and other aux units he could spare) are for sure not guarding his pacific atolls.

Scoodra fell on the 12th BTW... despite 3 forts, despite plenty of supplies my brave indian soldiers could not resist in front of a whole japanese army. Now the backdoor of India is closed once for all with Diego and Scoodra in Japs' hands.

Surat has been attacked too. A para unit landed there on the 13th...didn't take the base but 3 more units are spotted 1 hex eastwards...ready to cross the river and shock attack...Bombay is now on his own...

...more to follow

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RE: Breaking news: Calcutta falls - 5/11/2011 8:23:41 AM   
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GreyJoy: Looks like a great time to invade the Gilberts and Marshalls. He seems quite single-minded on India after bringing all those troops to the party on Scoodra. Good luck.

The only thing I can say is watch out for CDs on some of those islands. Milli and Wotje come to mind as being nasty. You might load up a GC scenario as Japan to see what they have.

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The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 10:09:08 AM   
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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR May 12,13 42

So Scoodra falls and the japs have cestabilish another base that closes any access to India, which now relies only on the narrow passage of the Aden Channell which is flooded with subs.
We managed to sink one of them today with an ASW patrol and to damage 2 more with my ASW planes...however it becomes every day more risky to move ships in-out the channell...an AK full of supplies was torpedoed and sunk just out of the channell and despite my efforts more than 20 japs subs are patrolling the 4 hexes that lead from off-map to in-map lanes...


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Submarine attack near Karachi at 37,6

Japanese Ships
SS I-165, hits 16, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Tjerk Hiddes
DD Nestor
DD Napier
DD Decoy




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ASW attack near Karachi at 37,6

Japanese Ships
SS I-164

Allied Ships
DD Napier
DD Tjerk Hiddes
DD Nestor



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ASW attack near Karachi at 38,6

Japanese Ships
SS I-18

Allied Ships
ML No. 201
ML No. 202



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Sub attack near Karachi at 37,7

Japanese Ships
SS I-16, hits 1

Allied Ships
AMc Amritsar




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ASW attack near Karachi at 37,5

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
ML No. 201
ML No. 202



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Submarine attack near Karachi at 37,5

Japanese Ships
SS I-155

Allied Ships
xAP Aquitania



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Submarine attack near Karachi at 37,5

Japanese Ships
SS I-123

Allied Ships
xAP West Point

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Submarine attack near Karachi at 38,6

Japanese Ships
SS I-18

Allied Ships
xAP West Point


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ASW attack near Karachi at 37,5

Japanese Ships
SS I-19

Allied Ships
ML No. 194
ML No. 200





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Ground combat at Socotra (14,8)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 53819 troops, 523 guns, 159 vehicles, Assault Value = 1820

Defending force 12439 troops, 80 guns, 178 vehicles, Assault Value = 514

Japanese engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Japanese adjusted assault: 1157

Allied adjusted defense: 279

Japanese assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 2)

Japanese forces CAPTURE Socotra !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
2737 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 167 disabled
Non Combat: 31 destroyed, 148 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 9 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)


Allied ground losses:
8350 casualties reported
Squads: 547 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 532 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 112 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 112 (112 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 249 (249 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 5


Assaulting units:
47th Naval Guard Unit
38th Division
20th Infantry Regiment
Sasebo 8th SNLF
43rd Naval Guard Unit
4th Guards Division
Imperial Guards Division
44th Naval Guard Unit
16th Engineer Regiment
41st Naval Guard Unit
9th Infantry Regiment
5th Guards Engineer Regiment
15th Army
31st Special Base Force

Defending units:
75th Indian Brigade
100th Indian Brigade
46th Indian Brigade
99th Indian Brigade
Socotra RN Det


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Ground combat at Surat (39,20) Para drops!
Japanese Shock attack

Attacking force 33 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3

Defending force 1193 troops, 16 guns, 1 vehicles, Assault Value = 10

Japanese adjusted assault: 2

Allied adjusted defense: 14

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 7 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(+), leaders(-)


Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled


Assaulting units:
1st Raiding Rgt /1

Defending units:
2nd West Coast Base Force


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Sub attack near Karachi at 38,6

Japanese Ships
SS I-18

Allied Ships
KV Cyclamen
KV Nigella
KV Auricula




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Submarine attack near Karachi at 37,5

Japanese Ships
SS I-155

Allied Ships
xAK Birchbank, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage




Chengtu in China is still holding but it's ready to fall...supplies down to 0 now...just like Manila...


quote:

ORIGINAL: Commander Cody

GreyJoy: Looks like a great time to invade the Gilberts and Marshalls. He seems quite single-minded on India after bringing all those troops to the party on Scoodra. Good luck.

The only thing I can say is watch out for CDs on some of those islands. Milli and Wotje come to mind as being nasty. You might load up a GC scenario as Japan to see what they have.

Cheers,
CC



Yes, i've checked...Milli and wotje both have strong naval CD guns...i wanna however land at first at Tarawa, Makin, Abenama, Ocean and Nauru. When and if i'll have estabilish a strong position in this arc of isles i'll consider landing on other islands more northwards (wotje and Milli above all).

Thanks CC...hope it's really like you said... the Marshalls have been absolutely quiet till now but the presence of those 3 TFs around Baker makes me be a little bit scared...

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 11:11:16 AM   
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quote:

Thanks CC...hope it's really like you said... the Marshalls have been absolutely quiet till now but the presence of those 3 TFs around Baker makes me be a little bit scared...


What Surface Combat TFs do you have escorting your invasion TFs? Assume that your opponent will send in Cruiser/DD TFs at Full Speed to disrupt your invasion - do you have escort TFs assigned that can stop incoming Surface Combat TFs? Your xAPs and xAKs will unload slowly and will be easy targets.

Also, are you going to assign LR CAP from your CVs to cover your Invasion TFs? There are several level 2 and above bases in the Marshalls that can support LBA. Remember, in addition to Betties and Nells, your opponent can bring dive bombers and torpedo bombers in fairly quickly.

Your worst case scenario will be that your troops land partially and then your transport ships get sunk with all of the supplies.

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 11:23:32 AM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: ADB123

quote:

Thanks CC...hope it's really like you said... the Marshalls have been absolutely quiet till now but the presence of those 3 TFs around Baker makes me be a little bit scared...


What Surface Combat TFs do you have escorting your invasion TFs? Assume that your opponent will send in Cruiser/DD TFs at Full Speed to disrupt your invasion - do you have escort TFs assigned that can stop incoming Surface Combat TFs? Your xAPs and xAKs will unload slowly and will be easy targets.

Also, are you going to assign LR CAP from your CVs to cover your Invasion TFs? There are several level 2 and above bases in the Marshalls that can support LBA. Remember, in addition to Betties and Nells, your opponent can bring dive bombers and torpedo bombers in fairly quickly.

Your worst case scenario will be that your troops land partially and then your transport ships get sunk with all of the supplies.


Yes, i've already learnt that lesson since the first days when his raiders were decimating my transports. i'll use 4 of my BBs as a bombardment platform, while the rest of them, plus CAs and DDs will escort directly the invasion TFs.
I'm pretty sure he has a BB with 2 CAs and a CS in the pacific...but nothing more for what concerns the Combined Fleet...
As i said he didn't build up the bases in MArshalls and Gilberts...most of them don't even have a lvl 1 AF...the real danger is Wotje that is a level 4... I will try to use my bombardment and air combat TF aggressively...in order to "defend forward" attacking the bases where he could possibly base his counter-offensive...while the invasion fleet, with their escorts (pretty heavy escort i hope) will take care of the proper invasion.
I'll keep in the rear a big supporting TF, full of planes, base forces and seabees...in order to be ready to estabilish a defensive perimeter asap so freeing up the CVs from their risky task...

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 12:06:29 PM   
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Here's the list of naval units involved:

5 U.S. CVs
7 BBs (4 US and 3 UK)
13 CAs
16 CLs
45 DDs
20 APDs
lots of Aux units (ASs, AVs, AVPs,AEs, AKEs, AKVs, AOs, etc etc)

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 1:04:20 PM   
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GreyJoy, are you experienced with atoll invasions?  They are one of the trickiest things to get right.  Timing and loading is critical due to the auto-shock attack.  Unless you've done this before or a card-carrying Mensa member, you might want to discuss this in great detail with an experienced player.  Because even good players can sometimes mess up tiny little things that ruin an amphibious invasion despite overwhelming odds in their favor.

A couple of pointers:  (1) have plenty of supply ships in amphibious mode and oaded with just supply, make sure they arrive during the morning phase; (2) makes sure the amphibious transports arrive during the morning phase to give two phases for unloading troops during the day (it's best to make sure your transports begin D-Days just a hex or at most two from the beaches to ensure this happens); (3) embed some combat ships and minesweepers in the transport TFs. 

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 1:52:21 PM   
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quote:

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GreyJoy, are you experienced with atoll invasions?  They are one of the trickiest things to get right.  Timing and loading is critical due to the auto-shock attack.  Unless you've done this before or a card-carrying Mensa member, you might want to discuss this in great detail with an experienced player.  Because even good players can sometimes mess up tiny little things that ruin an amphibious invasion despite overwhelming odds in their favor.

A couple of pointers:  (1) have plenty of supply ships in amphibious mode and oaded with just supply, make sure they arrive during the morning phase; (2) makes sure the amphibious transports arrive during the morning phase to give two phases for unloading troops during the day (it's best to make sure your transports begin D-Days just a hex or at most two from the beaches to ensure this happens); (3) embed some combat ships and minesweepers in the transport TFs. 


Thanks CR! No, unfortunately i never experienced an atoll invasion...well the truth is i never experienced an invasion at all (just a little one playing the coral sea scenario against AI)... i've read everything i could...unfortunately that damned "search funcion" doesn't work on this forum

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 2:24:13 PM   
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What Canoerebel says about the unloading speed is quite true, and is the main reason behind my earlier hesitations. The fact that you can't convert APAs/AKAs and the likes yet is quite limitating if you plan on assaulting an atoll. Remember that wasn't done historically before Tarawa (well, Makin doesn't count I guess ^^). Before that, they just didn't have the needed units (LCI, LST, amtracks...) developed for serious amphibious warfare. The mess of Watchtower (aka the lack of supply unloaded on the beach at Guadalcanal) is an illustration of this lack of means, and that was August 1942 - not May... So, indeed, I am quite worried about your ops, but the fact that you'll be bringing overwhelming surface assets, and that most of his naval air and naval forces are around Soccotra right now make me think that it's gonna work anyway. Work out the CAP, try to find a way to protect yourself from Wotje's threat (if he doesn't have a tough CD unit there, bombardment shuttles with cruisers and decoy surface units nearby could help) and try to scatter the units among quite a number of transports in order to unload them all at once (and lessen the potential loss of one of them...). When you are saying "20 APDs", do you mean "20 APs" or is the whole invasion force gonna fit on 20 destroyer-transports?

Good luck by the way, and best wishes


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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 2:24:56 PM   
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However i've seen how Rader has invaded Diego Garcia...he used very big amphib TF...probably in each ship there were very few troops and a lot of supplies...so to have the units ashore completely after the 2nd naval phase.. these TFs were supported by large combat ships in them in order to absorb the CD guns shots and to suppress them at the same time.
Think i'll do the same...have plenty of tranports to spare luckly...

Which is the penality is the preparation is above 50 but below 100?

Thanks in advance

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 2:29:10 PM   
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I don't know about a penalty, just the higher the prep the better.

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 2:30:58 PM   
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quote:

ORIGINAL: Fishbed

What Canoerebel says about the unloading speed is quite true, and is the main reason behind my earlier hesitations. The fact that you can't convert APAs/AKAs and the likes yet is quite limitating if you plan on assaulting an atoll. Remember that wasn't done historically before Tarawa (well, Makin doesn't count I guess ^^). Before that, they just didn't have the needed units (LCI, LST, amtracks...) developed for serious amphibious warfare. The mess of Watchtower (aka the lack of supply unloaded on the beach at Guadalcanal) is an illustration of this lack of means, and that was August 1942 - not May... So, indeed, I am quite worried about your ops, but the fact that you'll be bringing overwhelming surface assets, and that most of his naval air and naval forces are around Soccotra right now make me think that it's gonna work anyway. Work out the CAP, try to find a way to protect yourself from Wotje's threat (if he doesn't have a tough CD unit there, bombardment shuttles with cruisers and decoy surface units nearby could help) and try to scatter the units among quite a number of transports in order to unload them all at once (and lessen the potential loss of one of them...). When you are saying "20 APDs", do you mean "20 APs" or is the whole invasion force gonna fit on 20 destroyer-transports?

Good luck by the way, and best wishes



Hi mate,

yes, i understand your worries and believe me when i say i share them all!!!
However Rader has just shown me that even after the invasion bonus and without some specifically built transports, an invasion can be done. I aspect to take some losses, for sure, but untill the KB is stuck in India (and if Rader wants to keep Karachi truly isolated from the rest of the world he has to keep the KB parked there!) i'm pretty confident it can be done also considering that his best divisions and naval units are all involved in the Indian gamble. If i wait...well he could easily send a couple of divisions and some 500 engeneers that can ruin easily my day.

I meant 20 APDs...i'm keeping my APs safe for 1943 when i will convert them to APAs ;-)
The APDs will be used for the first actions at Addak Island (NOPAC) and Baker Island with raiders and marine paras
The main forces will be loaded on different amphib TFs composed of 135 xAPs and 150 xAKs...should be enough

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 2:31:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

I don't know about a penalty, just the higher the prep the better.


Thanks Jeffk...better than what i thought

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 2:35:36 PM   
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Distruption maybe, not sure off the top of my head. I just like to have high prep going in...

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 2:40:41 PM   
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The main forces will be loaded on different amphib TFs composed of 135 xAPs and 150 xAKs...should be enough


Aye... I can clearly see from that OOB that any light Japanese naval force in the area is clearly already doomed as it will never have the needed ammo to sink them all! Good call Pal!

Seriously, should be good enough

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 3:14:14 PM   
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just my two cents on saving APs until '43 for the conversion...
I don't remember the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure that there is already a huge difference in the unloading speed between xAP and AP - and then there is another step to the APA.... - so if you're feeling rather save I would suggest using the APs as well as they're better already... (well, probably stating the obvious here anyway - sorry if I was ) - I know that every lost AP means one less APA from '43 onward - but it helps using them if you're sure that you can protect them.....


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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 3:27:08 PM   
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just my two cents on saving APs until '43 for the conversion...
I don't remember the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure that there is already a huge difference in the unloading speed between xAP and AP - and then there is another step to the APA.... - so if you're feeling rather save I would suggest using the APs as well as they're better already... (well, probably stating the obvious here anyway - sorry if I was ) - I know that every lost AP means one less APA from '43 onward - but it helps using them if you're sure that you can protect them.....





Oh really??? That's a great news!!! I should have at least 22 APs and some 15 AKs at SF...i could easily send them to the front if they can be helpfull....

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 3:55:39 PM   
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GreyJoy-

What is your timeframe for this invasion? Hopefully soon, like everyone has mentioned. Once you're there he can move aircraft there pretty quickly, and show up with a CA/CL/DD force quicker than you might think. For all we know it could be there now, with some amount of force.

Have you reconned the area heavily at numerious locations so he can't pinpoint your invasion? Do you know what he has in the area? Sounds like he is in full force in the Indian Ocean.

Once you invade and establish yourself there, can you hold? Or will these new islands just become POW camps for you...?

As far as I know, the Marshalls doesn't have a whole lot right off of the bat, unless he has sent stuff there. Doesn't sound like he has.

Keep up the good work.



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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 4:12:50 PM   
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GreyJoy-

What is your timeframe for this invasion? Hopefully soon, like everyone has mentioned. Once you're there he can move aircraft there pretty quickly, and show up with a CA/CL/DD force quicker than you might think. For all we know it could be there now, with some amount of force.

Have you reconned the area heavily at numerious locations so he can't pinpoint your invasion? Do you know what he has in the area? Sounds like he is in full force in the Indian Ocean.

Once you invade and establish yourself there, can you hold? Or will these new islands just become POW camps for you...?

As far as I know, the Marshalls doesn't have a whole lot right off of the bat, unless he has sent stuff there. Doesn't sound like he has.

Keep up the good work.




Haven't reconned yet. First of all i want to obtain as much surprise effect as i can and recon will surely allarm him. Second i don't have any base in sight of the Gilbert/Marshalls...i'll start from Canton Is....will start to recon Baker next week...then within few days we will invade baker and soon estabilish there a base from where to recon Tarawa area....
It's a gamble, i know...i'm basing my conclusion that the whole area is not guarded by the fact that he has not built up any of those bases...not a single level of AF nor Port...that SHOULD mean he hasn't engeneers there to build it up...or at least that's what i hope.

Think that committing 3 divisions and a half (ten regiments) should be enough to hope to hold those bases in the long run....time is passing fast and India won't fall anytime sooner than August...and i recieve troops and planes every day in the US...i'm getting stronger and stronger...hopefully by the time he can come back in force i'll be strong enough to hope to hold the line

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 4:34:19 PM   
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i checked...APs unload at 600 points...the xAPs at 250!!! ...ok, will have to call them all back into service!
Really thanks!!!

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 4:36:14 PM   
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just my two cents on saving APs until '43 for the conversion...
I don't remember the exact numbers but I'm pretty sure that there is already a huge difference in the unloading speed between xAP and AP - and then there is another step to the APA.... - so if you're feeling rather save I would suggest using the APs as well as they're better already... (well, probably stating the obvious here anyway - sorry if I was ) - I know that every lost AP means one less APA from '43 onward - but it helps using them if you're sure that you can protect them.....





Oh really??? That's a great news!!! I should have at least 22 APs and some 15 AKs at SF...i could easily send them to the front if they can be helpfull....

quote:

some


I just checked it - it's on pages 127 and 128 of the manual - but as you have much more important things to do in your game than check the manual - here's the quote :

6.3.3.3.2.1 OVER THE BEACH
This is for assault unloading over the beach.
»» Beaching Craft. Beaching craft unload completely in one turn.
»» Attack Amphibious Ships. (APA/AKA plus LSD, LSV and British equivalents)
in Amphibious TFs, unload at a Rate of 3000 points per ship, per turn.

»» Regular Transport Ships. (Commissioned Naval AP/AK) in Amphibious
TFs, unload at a Rate of 600 points per ship per turn.
»» Merchant Ships. (xAP/xAK) in Amphibious TFs, unload
at a Rate of 250 points per ship per turn.

»» Special Japanese early war bonus of 1200 for all AP/AK and xAP/xAK types.



EDIT: LOL - just saw that you checked yourself....never mind

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 4:39:14 PM   
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How long is the early war bonus for Japan?

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 4:43:10 PM   
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Thank you Solinvictus!! You really gave me a great insight!!!

Jeffk...think by May 42 the bonus should be absolutely expired...

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RE: The fall of Scoodra - 5/11/2011 4:45:38 PM   
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