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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/2/2011 9:26:22 AM

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As for CAP, my experience to this point, and without the latest beta patch installed, is that the best Allied CAP and AA isn't sufficient to stop enemy bombers from hitting my carriers.� Even with 500 Hellcats vs. a clearly overwhelmed enemy strike package, leakers will get through and create mischief.� So, no, seven carriers isn't sufficient against the full KB.� But you don't want to face the full KB.

Which are the differences concerning AA and CAP between the official and the latest betas patches? We're using the beta....

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/2/2011 9:28:35 AM

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I find the hellcat to be an overall great fighter for 1943. It eats up tojos, tonys, and jacks and is slightly better than the george. And, there is no type of Japanese carrier fighter that can come close to it. If Rader collects his wits and gives up the sacrifice of his air force you will need every one of them in 1943. With PUD on and a Japanese player on top of production you will just not have enough army fighters. I found myself frequently putting carrier based airgroups ashore as fire brigades where they did an excellent job. And the hellcat is the one fighter produced (1943) in numbers enough to replace large losses.

well watching the production numbers when the Hellcat will enter into production i think i'll make a party! 130 monthly!?!?!?...that's a dream....

Consider that now i dream about having a single marine wildcats squadron at Karachi...i would really need those 45 monthly wildcats there...while i only have army fighter groups in India

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/2/2011 9:31:45 AM

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If you are sure you can hold Karachi until he begins to withdraw from India (which he has to at some point in time) I would consider only taking Ceylon and threaten his retreat. This might lure KB into the Indian Ocean and give you more operational freedom in the Pacific.

You will never get ahead of time reconquering India and Burma, this is only a mop up theater. In the Pacific though you can try to strike earlier and deeper if India is becoming a liability to the empire.

I'm just sure i can hold Karachi untill june 43...so when i'll be able to try to send a good number of supplies there...but i'm not sure he's going to retreat anytime soon...he keeps on advancing and now with Multan...sooner or later he'll get there.

I don't even hope to get in time for Burma...have to abbandon the RL timeline...but i want to exploit his overcommitment in India!

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/2/2011 9:34:51 AM

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Good Lord...take a look at the two spitfires squadrons based at Karachi...

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/2/2011 10:11:32 AM

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i think you should withdraw those groups to save those good pilots.

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/2/2011 2:44:05 PM

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Those pilots will be moved out of action as soon as i run out of spits. With those machines, these crack pilots are alone keeping up the fight against an overwhelming enemy and their survivability rate is very good so i'm really losing few of them...
Also without their efforts, Karachi now would be only a crater of ruins...while the fortress is still fighting and biting back

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/2/2011 2:46:32 PM

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i think you should withdraw those groups to save those good pilots.

I don't understand this advice. India is the critical battle of the game, and GJ is bleeding rader badly there. Why in the world would he pull his best pilots from the most important battle? To save them for a less important battle later?

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RE: Bloody Skies - 7/2/2011 2:54:03 PM

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These are my two squadrons equipped with Spitfires... These guys improved so much during the last months of the Karachi defence

Take a look at this screenshot of the 23rd october.... you see how much those guys have improved in 20 days of heavy fightings (consider that they fight every day against 200/250 tojos and more 100/150 zeros-oscars with an inferiority number of 1-5 at best)... they are very hard to kill and they deliver havoc among the attackers!

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RE: Bloody Skies - 7/2/2011 3:03:51 PM

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I am actually surprised that their Air Skill has risen so slowly in comparison to their Experience.

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RE: Bloody Skies - 7/2/2011 3:21:51 PM

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When you reach 70 in air skill i have noticed that it's very very difficult to move any further...same goes for defensive skill...while the experience really goes up fast with so many kills in the bag

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RE: Bloody Skies - 7/2/2011 3:34:31 PM

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For your Restricted fighter units in the USA, I rest mine until Morale is 99. Then, set to 100% Training on Escort (set range down to 1 or 2). Once Air Skill is in mid-60, I set them to Sweep at 100' to raise their Strafing Skill. This is used to raise their Defend Skill. I want them to get into mid-50s or higher before harvesting pilots (I leave 2 to 4 pilots of high ratings as trainers). I check them on 1st and 15th of each month. There seems to be differing opinions if it is best just to fill out those air groups or overfill to train up pilots. Again, some need leaders replacing, but that depends on how bad some of them are and if you can afford it. If there is a more efficient method, I don't know of it.

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/2/2011 6:34:38 PM

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Those pilots will be moved out of action as soon as i run out of spits. With those machines, these crack pilots are alone keeping up the fight against an overwhelming enemy and their survivability rate is very good so i'm really losing few of them...
Also without their efforts, Karachi now would be only a crater of ruins...while the fortress is still fighting and biting back

Never in the course of AE history, has so much been owed by so many to so few.

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 5:03:19 AM

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If you are sure you can hold Karachi until he begins to withdraw from India (which he has to at some point in time) I would consider only taking Ceylon and threaten his retreat. This might lure KB into the Indian Ocean and give you more operational freedom in the Pacific.

You will never get ahead of time reconquering India and Burma, this is only a mop up theater. In the Pacific though you can try to strike earlier and deeper if India is becoming a liability to the empire.

I'm just sure i can hold Karachi untill june 43...so when i'll be able to try to send a good number of supplies there...but i'm not sure he's going to retreat anytime soon...he keeps on advancing and now with Multan...sooner or later he'll get there.

I don't even hope to get in time for Burma...have to abbandon the RL timeline...but i want to exploit his overcommitment in India!

If he wants to commit loads of units in India I would let him. He will miss those elsewhere. Either that or try to catch those troops before they can evacuate. But this might not help your overall goal of defeating the empire (vs defeating an Army).

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 6:10:58 AM

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Yeah the Spit VIII does not normally arrive in India until late 43 It is about 40 mph faster than anything the Japanese have in 1942. I would expect it to do some serious killing. And Greyjoy is getting to use it for point defense over his own airbase which should save a lot of the pilots. It is an AFB wet dream to have pilots of that quality at any time.

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 8:49:09 AM

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i think you should withdraw those groups to save those good pilots.

I don't understand this advice. India is the critical battle of the game, and GJ is bleeding rader badly there. Why in the world would he pull his best pilots from the most important battle? To save them for a less important battle later?

I should have elaborated, I meant he should withdraw them when the air battle is clearly lost and the airfield gets closed. AFAIK pilots can be killed on the ground as well.

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RE: Bloody Skies - 7/3/2011 12:01:07 PM

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For your Restricted fighter units in the USA, I rest mine until Morale is 99. Then, set to 100% Training on Escort (set range down to 1 or 2). Once Air Skill is in mid-60, I set them to Sweep at 100' to raise their Strafing Skill. This is used to raise their Defend Skill. I want them to get into mid-50s or higher before harvesting pilots (I leave 2 to 4 pilots of high ratings as trainers). I check them on 1st and 15th of each month. There seems to be differing opinions if it is best just to fill out those air groups or overfill to train up pilots. Again, some need leaders replacing, but that depends on how bad some of them are and if you can afford it. If there is a more efficient method, I don't know of it.

Hi mate,

yes, i'm doing more or less the same since the beginning. I set them on train-escort till the reach 70 air, then set them to 100 sweep to raise their def skill up to 50/60 and their experience to 55.

Never leave the high rating pilots there cause i had read that it's a story tale and doesn't have any real impact on training

Anyway, my fighter pilots pool is in a very good state, while i always lack in good bombers pilot (except for those trained for ground bombing)...
Do you know any method to train the Army, marine and Navy bomber pilots with Naval T skill???

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 12:04:13 PM

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Those pilots will be moved out of action as soon as i run out of spits. With those machines, these crack pilots are alone keeping up the fight against an overwhelming enemy and their survivability rate is very good so i'm really losing few of them...
Also without their efforts, Karachi now would be only a crater of ruins...while the fortress is still fighting and biting back

Never in the course of AE history, has so much been owed by so many to so few.

You can sau it loud! But they are not alone...to be honest i cannot forget the contribute given by those brave guys flying on less moderne machines...and the tribute of blood they paid in the last 6 months...those flying on the P-40s, or on the P-39s...despite the tremendous losses suffered all my fighter groups have positive records (from 2-1 up in a2a combat)...and despite lots of pilots killed (i've lost nearly 350 KIA pilots over Karachi in the last 6 months) their experience keep on raising!

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 12:15:31 PM

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If you are sure you can hold Karachi until he begins to withdraw from India (which he has to at some point in time) I would consider only taking Ceylon and threaten his retreat. This might lure KB into the Indian Ocean and give you more operational freedom in the Pacific.

You will never get ahead of time reconquering India and Burma, this is only a mop up theater. In the Pacific though you can try to strike earlier and deeper if India is becoming a liability to the empire.

I'm just sure i can hold Karachi untill june 43...so when i'll be able to try to send a good number of supplies there...but i'm not sure he's going to retreat anytime soon...he keeps on advancing and now with Multan...sooner or later he'll get there.

I don't even hope to get in time for Burma...have to abbandon the RL timeline...but i want to exploit his overcommitment in India!

If he wants to commit loads of units in India I would let him. He will miss those elsewhere. Either that or try to catch those troops before they can evacuate. But this might not help your overall goal of defeating the empire (vs defeating an Army).

Well the plan has been made and it's more or less clear. We'll try to land at Surat and so force him to abbadon the siege of Karachi. If he doesn't leave enough troops there the 9500 AVs that will be sieged at Karachi will try a sortie and, with all those tanks units i have there it will be a hell of a time for him to retreat in good order all the way from Karachi to the south cause he only has the "Multan way" to retreat!...
This won't for sure be an allied victory against the empire but if he doesn't fall back in order he's gonna lose lots of assets there

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 12:16:20 PM

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i think you should withdraw those groups to save those good pilots.

I don't understand this advice. India is the critical battle of the game, and GJ is bleeding rader badly there. Why in the world would he pull his best pilots from the most important battle? To save them for a less important battle later?

I should have elaborated, I meant he should withdraw them when the air battle is clearly lost and the airfield gets closed. AFAIK pilots can be killed on the ground as well.

Yes, they can be wounded or killed on the ground. However untill my spits unit can fly i'll keep them flying!...

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 12:30:09 PM

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Nov 10-11 1942

A quiet turn. thunderstorms all over India, so we had ordered to our 4Es to rest for 2 days, substituted by 32 Wellingtons in the Multan bombing process...want to keep that base under stress ...till now Rader hasn't based there any fighter...70 units parked there but the base is still a lvl1 AF...

He sent the usual sweep over Karachi...but the storms prevented any serious engagement...i lost 3 P-40Es for unknown reason (the combat reply was way off today!...i think we're out of synch again

).

His activity over Buka is raising...every day a HUGE number of ships get in from Rabaul...he's reinforcing his whole defensive line around Rabaul...
the logistical nightmare has begun with hundreds of transports moving to pick up the units named for the Indian operation...in the meanwhile i've ordered to the Saratoga to speed up the process of repairing (as you remember she ate a fish during the aborted attempt of invading Wake 2 months ago).

His subs moved away from Lunga, after having left number of mines...lost a PT today due to those damned mines...

Nothing much else to report...

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 12:36:34 PM

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This screenshot is dedicated to the 3 american air groups flying P-40s over Karachi. Some of these guys came from the AVG groups (that were disbanded many months ago), some others started the war in the PI...i think they deserve some honours cause they did wonders even if flying inferior machines...

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RE: Bloody hairy - 7/3/2011 12:40:13 PM

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and these are the 2 P-38 equipped squadrons...had to disband the other one cause i had no more machines to give them...records were similar however...

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Numbers... - 7/3/2011 1:13:47 PM

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Ok, i took a look back at the 17th June 1942 when the Air Battle for India had officially begun.
We started the battle with 1500 air losses for Japan and 1200 for the Allies...

...now, November 10th 1942, so 5 months later, Japan has lost 8000 planes against 4200 of the allies... 5 months of blood...My bet is that Japan over Karachi has lost so far at least 3000/3500 pilots... not bad

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RE: Numbers... - 7/3/2011 3:23:14 PM

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GreyJoy,

To train navy torpedo bomber pilots you need to set aside some catalina squadrons during 1942 and set them on "training" naval attack. They are normally torpedo armed and will train up in that skill. Unfortunately for marine pilots you will need to set aside some of their avenger squadrons as they can train in no other aircraft. Brits will need to set aside a few squadrons for this purpose as well. The British cats don't carry torpedoes so will not train in that skill.

The problem is of course that you never have enough patrol planes in 1942 so it hurts to take some catalinas out of service. But that is the whole story for the Allies early in the game....

Kingfishers (of which there are plenty) can train in any type of skill except torpedo so are very useful for training navy pilots.

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RE: Numbers... - 7/3/2011 3:34:20 PM

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GreyJoy,

To train navy torpedo bomber pilots you need to set aside some catalina squadrons during 1942 and set them on "training" naval attack. They are normally torpedo armed and will train up in that skill. Unfortunately for marine pilots you will need to set aside some of their avenger squadrons as they can train in no other aircraft. Brits will need to set aside a few squadrons for this purpose as well. The British cats don't carry torpedoes so will not train in that skill.

The problem is of course that you never have enough patrol planes in 1942 so it hurts to take some catalinas out of service. But that is the whole story for the Allies early in the game....

Kingfishers (of which there are plenty) can train in any type of skill except torpedo so are very useful for training navy pilots.

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Kingfishers (of which there are plenty) can train in any type of skill except torpedo so are very useful for training navy pilots.

Oh...so i cannot train navy pilots in torpedo skill right now...my need for Catalias is so high...i'll use the replenishment avangers groups (those based on replenishment CVEs...)...too bad

Thanks mate!

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RE: Numbers... - 7/3/2011 4:04:07 PM

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Oh...so i cannot train navy pilots in torpedo skill right now...my need for Catalias is so high...i'll use the replenishment avangers groups (those based on replenishment CVEs...)...too bad

The USN PBY's are wonderfully versatile 'Cats (search! transport! torpedo attack!) and are in demand all across the Pacific. I have a hard time keeping the squadrons anywhere near close to full strength.

The silver lining in this dark cloud is that I can generally take a PBY squadron that has been reduced to one or two a/c, and dedicate it to training torpedo pilots, without hurting operations elsewhere. The Japanese frequently oblige by hammering one or more of the Pearl Harbor PBY squadrons, so I can get USN pilots to start torpedo training from the get-go.

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RE: Numbers... - 7/3/2011 6:12:43 PM

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Oh...so i cannot train navy pilots in torpedo skill right now...my need for Catalias is so high...i'll use the replenishment avangers groups (those based on replenishment CVEs...)...too bad

The USN PBY's are wonderfully versatile 'Cats (search! transport! torpedo attack!) and are in demand all across the Pacific. I have a hard time keeping the squadrons anywhere near close to full strength.

The silver lining in this dark cloud is that I can generally take a PBY squadron that has been reduced to one or two a/c, and dedicate it to training torpedo pilots, without hurting operations elsewhere. The Japanese frequently oblige by hammering one or more of the Pearl Harbor PBY squadrons, so I can get USN pilots to start torpedo training from the get-go.

mmmm....i'll take a look and see what i can do...but i think that, at the moment, with the KB around my pacific PBYs are called to an extra work rate...but maybe in the near future...i'll consider that

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RE: Numbers... - 7/3/2011 7:30:03 PM

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Yes, if you have the VR replacement squadrons then by all means use them for torpedo training. It is painful to not use them in the front line but you gotta train or your will regret it later. In 1943 virtually all marine squadrons come with no planes or pilots. You have to fill them up out of your reserves and will need plenty for that reason. I am almost at January 44 and I still have a few marine and heavy bomber squadrons sitting in the states for want of planes.

And you need to start training patrol pilots on search and "low naval" bombing now as you will start to get lots of PBY liberators, venturas, coronados and navy mitchells in 43 and low naval is a must skill for them for shipping interdiction. You will need a lot of them. ASW is important but I find that it is better to train avengers and SBDs in that skill. ASW is not a priority as your ships become super sub killers eventually.

I would have to say my biggest shortage was navy fighter pilots and torpedo bomber pilots.

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RE: Numbers... - 7/3/2011 8:16:10 PM

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Yes, if you have the VR replacement squadrons then by all means use them for torpedo training. It is painful to not use them in the front line but you gotta train or your will regret it later. In 1943 virtually all marine squadrons come with no planes or pilots. You have to fill them up out of your reserves and will need plenty for that reason. I am almost at January 44 and I still have a few marine and heavy bomber squadrons sitting in the states for want of planes.

And you need to start training patrol pilots on search and "low naval" bombing now as you will start to get lots of PBY liberators, venturas, coronados and navy mitchells in 43 and low naval is a must skill for them for shipping interdiction. You will need a lot of them. ASW is important but I find that it is better to train avengers and SBDs in that skill. ASW is not a priority as your ships become super sub killers eventually.

I would have to say my biggest shortage was navy fighter pilots and torpedo bomber pilots.

I see mate...thanks! i'll take a look right now!

But can i use the VR replacement squadrons (those who come with the CVEs) as active units? i mean what happens if i put one of those CVEs in CVTF? do they actually operate their planes or they are used only for replenishment pourposes?

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RE: Numbers... - 7/3/2011 9:24:00 PM

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Nov 12, 13 1942

Again the KB springs out of nowhere north of Suva, right when a little allied TF (CA Chigago, DD Porter, DD Phelbs) was chasing down a damned scouting AV... useless to say my crusier group was sunk with no mercy...
Now i'm waiting for the KB o raid Suva...we have LOTS of AA and 130 fighters there, along with 50 dive bombers...if he dares to come too close...

My CVs are lurking just south of Fiji...we'll get closer but we won't look for an engagement...if he breaks his horns on Suva...well, we'll be ready!

At Karachi he sent 350 Tojos on sweep...losses were high on my part this time...only 11 tojos downed for 20 of mines...

Multan, despite my efforts, reached in a click AF lvl3...