Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok, drawing now the plans for the operation "Waterfalls"...the evacuation of SOPAC

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ORIGINAL: String

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Ok, drawing now the plans for the operation "Waterfalls"...the evacuation of SOPAC

Don't, keep pouring in resources, he'll have a tough time resupplying his troops as well.

• there is a way to get supply through
  
• there is a way to interdict your oponents supply lines
  
• calculate what are the benefits of holding on
  

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Stop wasting time repeating ad nauseum the same eroneous pitying statements, stop responding to each post made by third parties as if they all provide good advice, stop asking for explicit moves from your readers, stop sending off turns so quickly to your opponent and use the time to learn how to play the game and read those early posts from those who no longer bother to post here and were trying to train your mind to think.

• there is a way to get supply through
  
• there is a way to interdict your oponents supply lines
  
• calculate what are the benefits of holding on
  

Also, if Rader is really interested in conquering all of India, and there is evidence he isn't, you are in serious danger of losing Karachi within 6 months. The large garrison you maintain at Karachi is a very poor, but absolutely typical of your play, use of Allied resources.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: aztez

My only advice would be... deciede an general strategy on what you want.. commit to it and make him pay.

Only you know what general plan you have for your offensive or defensive actions.

You cannot shift those plans on and off... if you want to fight now than you do... if you want to retreat now than you do.... whatever you deciede to do than grind it through.

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: aztez

My only advice would be... deciede an general strategy on what you want.. commit to it and make him pay.

Only you know what general plan you have for your offensive or defensive actions.

You cannot shift those plans on and off... if you want to fight now than you do... if you want to retreat now than you do.... whatever you deciede to do than grind it through.

Would it be so easy... When u don't have the experience to know if what you're planning in your mind have some chance of success, every single opinion can change your view about the plan.... so what seemed to be a good plan yesterday, becomes the worst possible plan tomorrow after someone managed to point out a detail that you simply haven't seen the day before...

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

• there is a way to get supply through
  
• there is a way to interdict your oponents supply lines
  
• calculate what are the benefits of holding on
  

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

Where did I say you had to reinforce Tulagi? I just said your use of the Allied resources at Karachi is very poor. Yet not a moment of introspection on your behalf as to why my statement might have been accurate and what it signifies. The two things are interrelated. As is the way to interdict Rader's supplies.

No, you have not improved your play at all. You just never stop to think things through even though way back in the early pages of this thread you were told the sort of things you had to consider. Instead you always go for the quick fix expecting someone to give you the answer, never bothering to put in the effort to work it out yourself. Thus you end up with several different answers provided by third parties, not all being good answers, and never develop an understanding of how to play the game.

Alfred

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Unfortunately ADB is right again. I had to "Dunkirk" the Solomons when i could...but now...how can i do that?

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ORIGINAL: ADB123

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Unfortunately ADB is right again. I had to "Dunkirk" the Solomons when i could...but now...how can i do that?

You've mis-read what I wrote again - I didn't say evacuate the Solomons - I have been saying evacuate the New Hebrides and New Caledonia.

You need to build up New Zealand so that is can't be taken by the Japanese, and then so you can use it to counter-attack later in 1943. (In Radar's shoes, since he has already committed so much to the region, I would not stop at the Solomons or even the New Hebrides/New Caledonia, but also go for New Zealand in order to totally cut off Oz from the east.)

Leave your forces in the eastern Solomons, send in supplies by sub, single small xAK, and transport planes. Continue to bomb Japanese positions with 4Es. And simultaneously pull out first your combat troops, and then your support troops out of the New Hebrides and New Caledonia.

As far as India goes - what INTEL do you have that convinces you that your opponent has pulled his major forces out? If you have such INTEL, then start marching your forces forwards as I said before. If you don't, then still march your forces forward so that he has more than one Air Target to attack.

What you don't know in India is if Radar is bluffing, or if he intends to move in and attack. You must determine that.

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: ADB123

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Unfortunately ADB is right again. I had to "Dunkirk" the Solomons when i could...but now...how can i do that?

You've mis-read what I wrote again - I didn't say evacuate the Solomons - I have been saying evacuate the New Hebrides and New Caledonia.

You need to build up New Zealand so that is can't be taken by the Japanese, and then so you can use it to counter-attack later in 1943. (In Radar's shoes, since he has already committed so much to the region, I would not stop at the Solomons or even the New Hebrides/New Caledonia, but also go for New Zealand in order to totally cut off Oz from the east.)

Leave your forces in the eastern Solomons, send in supplies by sub, single small xAK, and transport planes. Continue to bomb Japanese positions with 4Es. And simultaneously pull out first your combat troops, and then your support troops out of the New Hebrides and New Caledonia.

As far as India goes - what INTEL do you have that convinces you that your opponent has pulled his major forces out? If you have such INTEL, then start marching your forces forwards as I said before. If you don't, then still march your forces forward so that he has more than one Air Target to attack.

What you don't know in India is if Radar is bluffing, or if he intends to move in and attack. You must determine that.

Yes, i got it now. It's tearing my heart apart to leave those guys to rot in the jungle... but i do see your point. I don't think Rader will go any further than New Caledonia tough. NZ will mean activate more emergency reinforcements and i don't think he wanna do that. But once the Solomons are isolated and bypassed...nothing will be able to stop him from doing the same process against Espiritu Santo, New Hebridis etc etc...

I don't have any reliable Intel about India. I was just considering that numbers of units spotted at Jodpur and Multan is decreasing and i with at least 15 big units in SOPAC (plus all those regiments, Bdes, base forces, engineers etc) i think Rader has left to India just enough to hold against an allied land march towards Multan. Having the complete air supremacy enables him to leave only a relative small garrison at Multan and Jodpur (say 5000 AVs in the two of them) and, dug in behind 9 forts, with 6/700 bombers pounding me, there's no way i'll be able to crush that bottleneck and advance any further.

Ok, operation "Waterfalls" so. Evacuate.

Gotta do it without letting him sniff it...

• Go and open scenario 2 as the Japanese player and count up all the Japanese AV as at 7 December 1941.
  
• Add up the AV of all additional Japanese LCUs received by the current date.
  
• Add up the AV of all additional Japanese LCUs received by the current date.
  
• Add up all the AV garrison requirements in India, China, the DEI and Malaya/Burma
  
• In your next turn, get your smallest possible Chinese unit at Chungking to launch an artillery bombardment to ascertain the exact Japanese AV present
  
• Look at your own atolls and see how much AV is provided by the stacking limits. Transfer that figure to every Japanese owned atoll which you believe is garrisoned
  

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

How do you know your supplies in Karachi will suffice. My calculations say otherwise. You are assuming the present circumstances will continue. If Rader is of a mind to do so he can quite easily change the circumstances.

The point is you are being complacent again with no back up plan if your current plan comes unstuck. You say that Rader has pulled out almost all of his big units. What evidence do you have for that statement, and if it is true what are you doing with such a large garrison (IIRC you said about 8k Allied AV) doing nothing against, according to your assessment a weak enemy position. Karachi, in itself is a fairly unimportant base. Why do you think it and it's garrison is important? How does it fit into your overall strategy? What concrete assistance does it provide to your other theatres? If nothing else, just ask yourself this one question. Why is doing anything in India after May 1943 so much better than doing something now, either in India or using your lazy unemployed Karachi garrison? And by doing "something now" I don't mean a knee jerk action but a carefully considered operation which is consistent with and aids your other operations elsewhere.

Even if it takes you a week of not sending a turn to Rader to properly answer these questions, it would still be the correct course of action. A strong player can afford to churn out turns at the rate you do. You are far from that and need the extra time to learn.

Alfred

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Ok, my thought is that i cannot "simply" advance towards Multan under the present conditions. He will bomb me to dust during the process cause i will have nothing to interdict his bombers rather than the AA. My troops will march on plain ground and, considering the number of bombers he still has in India (i'd say between 600 and 700) the risk (very probable imho) is to remain stuck at the very gates on Multan with a badly distrupted army, far away from the supply centers (Hyderabad and Karachi) and unable to crush the Multan defences (he has 30 units there and at least 2 Guards Divisions, behind, i bet, 9 forts). A terrible strategic situation imho.

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While if i wait to have enough resources for a counter-landing i hope to force him to divide his targets and to face the condition of being put under two fires (the army advancing from Karachi towards Multan and the counter invasion army landed at Surat under the umbrella of the CVs). I think that in this case he will have to abbandon Multan fast, not to risk to be trapped in middle India.

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Is this plan so crazy?

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ORIGINAL: Alfred

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

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ORIGINAL: ADB123

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Unfortunately ADB is right again. I had to "Dunkirk" the Solomons when i could...but now...how can i do that?

You've mis-read what I wrote again - I didn't say evacuate the Solomons - I have been saying evacuate the New Hebrides and New Caledonia.

You need to build up New Zealand so that is can't be taken by the Japanese, and then so you can use it to counter-attack later in 1943. (In Radar's shoes, since he has already committed so much to the region, I would not stop at the Solomons or even the New Hebrides/New Caledonia, but also go for New Zealand in order to totally cut off Oz from the east.)

Leave your forces in the eastern Solomons, send in supplies by sub, single small xAK, and transport planes. Continue to bomb Japanese positions with 4Es. And simultaneously pull out first your combat troops, and then your support troops out of the New Hebrides and New Caledonia.

As far as India goes - what INTEL do you have that convinces you that your opponent has pulled his major forces out? If you have such INTEL, then start marching your forces forwards as I said before. If you don't, then still march your forces forward so that he has more than one Air Target to attack.

What you don't know in India is if Radar is bluffing, or if he intends to move in and attack. You must determine that.

Yes, i got it now. It's tearing my heart apart to leave those guys to rot in the jungle... but i do see your point. I don't think Rader will go any further than New Caledonia tough. NZ will mean activate more emergency reinforcements and i don't think he wanna do that. But once the Solomons are isolated and bypassed...nothing will be able to stop him from doing the same process against Espiritu Santo, New Hebridis etc etc...

I don't have any reliable Intel about India. I was just considering that numbers of units spotted at Jodpur and Multan is decreasing and i with at least 15 big units in SOPAC (plus all those regiments, Bdes, base forces, engineers etc) i think Rader has left to India just enough to hold against an allied land march towards Multan. Having the complete air supremacy enables him to leave only a relative small garrison at Multan and Jodpur (say 5000 AVs in the two of them) and, dug in behind 9 forts, with 6/700 bombers pounding me, there's no way i'll be able to crush that bottleneck and advance any further.

Ok, operation "Waterfalls" so. Evacuate.

Gotta do it without letting him sniff it...

I'm sick and tired of you just pulling AV numbers out of thin air.

• Go and open scenario 2 as the Japanese player and count up all the Japanese AV as at 7 December 1941.
  
• Add up the AV of all additional Japanese LCUs received by the current date.
  
• Add up the AV of all additional Japanese LCUs received by the current date.
  
• Add up all the AV garrison requirements in India, China, the DEI and Malaya/Burma
  
• In your next turn, get your smallest possible Chinese unit at Chungking to launch an artillery bombardment to ascertain the exact Japanese AV present
  
• Look at your own atolls and see how much AV is provided by the stacking limits. Transfer that figure to every Japanese owned atoll which you believe is garrisoned
  

When you have finished that rather unglamorous work, then I might start to put some credence on your claims.

Alfred

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ORIGINAL: ADB123


Where is your INTEL for those assumptions? Why do you insist on looking only at Multan? Why are you so afraid of having troops bombed? If he is bombing troops he isn't bombing elsewhere. And if he splits his bombers their effectiveness goes down.

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Why do you think that an invasion of Surat will go better than your counter-attacks in the Solomons? What will you do when he turns those "hundreds and hundreds" of bombers and fighters on your invasion forces?

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It's another "hail mary" plan that is based upon the hope that Radar will panic.

Well, he hasn't panicked at your Solomons campaign, so why do you think things will be different in Surat?

I'll predict what will happen - you will invade, Radar will quickly move in overwhelming forces, and because you have your forces "huddling-in-fear" in Karachi they will be out of position to stop a mass relocation of Japanese troops.

However, if your forces are threatening multiple Japanese positions when you invade Radar will not be able to move his forces so easily.

Stop looking for "hail mary" solutions and start planning to bring overwhelming forces where Radar is weak.

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ORIGINAL: SoliInvictus202

GreyJoy, I am impressed by your patience to deal with obviously offensive AND insulting statements by others....

I believe it to be most important, that if someone posts something, he should do so in an objective and non-insulting way... if someone does not like what he sees or reads over and over again, then he should stop reading it.

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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

Alfred is right about gathering information.  The more experience a player gets, the more he seeks, evaluates, knows how to interpret, and relies upon information.  A newer player would never even think to do a complete census of Japanese combat unit AV in order to figure out what's where, but doing so will provide you with a great deal of information.  The same thing with Japanese capital ships.  If you're not doing so already, keep a chart (or user Tracker or whatever tools are handy) with a list of every capital ship and their most current known or suspected locations.  Eventually, you're going to find out that a big concentration of CAs or CVs or whatever are way off in one sector, thus making it possible to you to achieve local superiority somewhere else where you're just about to mount a massive invasion.  That's critically useful information.  (Most player intuitively keep track of enemy carriers, but less keep track of battlewagons and cruisers, but those are about as important.)

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ORIGINAL: GreyJoy

Unfortunately ADB is right again. I had to "Dunkirk" the Solomons when i could...but now...how can i do that?
How can i evacuate the equivalent of 3 divisions, 4 Tanks BNs, tons of eng, base forces, artillery etc etc....??
If i let them there they will simply be bombed to dust and then captured. If i try to evacuate them without a decent air cover Rader is going to annihilate my forces with KB+SUPER-LBA.

What can i do? I can use my 150 C-47s...but i'll have to leave behind all the heavy equipment and for sure most of the units won't be saved...

Should i try to organize a inverse-Tokyo Express evacuation style? Would it be worth?

You know that i cannot let my best Marines Divisions to simply rot there...

Again...Greyjoy...you've overvaluated your chances and your forces...and now you pay the heavy price of your own stupid bad plans.

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ORIGINAL: FatR


Speaking about the shipbuilding program, I don't see much attention to communication interdiction and merchant hunting on yout part. Maybe I've missed it, but what are you doing with your sub fleet? Surface raiding through Central Pacific also can be quite profitable, although as Japanese aviation expands this window of opportunity gradually closes. If you want a ballsy approach, even carrier raiding can be performed, as long as you know where KB is, and you do (not that I believe a successful battle against KB is anywhere near impossible at this stage, but it is a needless risk when in a few months your forces will increase massively). Maybe not around Home Islands, but how about trying to smoke Palembang with a carrier aviation raid? Japanese search assets aren't sufficient to cover everything and risk of successful LBA retaliation against the full Allied carrier fleet is pretty minimal, unless you assault the Japanese spearhead directly or go near Tokyo. Even if the operation fails, it should serve to stretch Rader's forces and make him more concerned about his perimeter.