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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 3/19/2016 10:04:37 PM

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One more thing.

It seems the Allied off-map area of Cristobal and Balboa is treated by the code as one nation. Thus Cristobal, which is blessed with a bigger port, hijacks all free supply and fuel from Balboa. Thus Balboa cannot build any stock of supply and fuel. So if you think about hauling the free stuff from this region to the map, use Cristobal port.

In my game Cristobal has 2,957,147 supply. Balboa has 214,458 supply. Don't you figure Balboa has enough?

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 3/19/2016 10:58:02 PM

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In my games I never have that problem in the Panama ports. Every ship coming through picks up a load then once I've assembled a decent convoy , sails to an over seas port to unload or join up with an existing convoy to where ever the supplies or fuel is needed. I NEVER sail with an empty bottom unless absolutely necessary. Anyone who's ever worked in the transportation industry will tell you that "the road to bankruptcy begins with empty vehicles". In wartime those empty "vehicles" (or ships or aircraft costs lives as well as dollars. Make everyone count.)

If I had a single wish for the imaginary AE2 it would be that a transport aircraft could be loaded "both ways". A plane flying supplies to a besiege base could also evacuate units out on the return trip. With ships you can often do that. Resources or troops being transferred to a malaria free zone for a rest and refit..

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 3/20/2016 8:13:53 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: Yaab

One more thing.

It seems the Allied off-map area of Cristobal and Balboa is treated by the code as one nation. Thus Cristobal, which is blessed with a bigger port, hijacks all free supply and fuel from Balboa. Thus Balboa cannot build any stock of supply and fuel. So if you think about hauling the free stuff from this region to the map, use Cristobal port.

In my game Cristobal has 2,957,147 supply. Balboa has 214,458 supply. Don't you figure Balboa has enough?

Yep, enough. In DBB-C scen 28 both ports receive 500 free supply daily. So in your game and my game Cristobal accumulates 85-90% of this free supply production from both ports just because it has a bigger port. Just the quirk of the game engine.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 3/20/2016 6:22:39 PM

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ORIGINAL: Yaab

One more thing.

It seems the Allied off-map area of Cristobal and Balboa is treated by the code as one nation. Thus Cristobal, which is blessed with a bigger port, hijacks all free supply and fuel from Balboa. Thus Balboa cannot build any stock of supply and fuel. So if you think about hauling the free stuff from this region to the map, use Cristobal port.

In my game Cristobal has 2,957,147 supply. Balboa has 214,458 supply. Don't you figure Balboa has enough?

Yep, enough. In DBB-C scen 28 both ports receive 500 free supply daily. So in your game and my game Cristobal accumulates 85-90% of this free supply production from both ports just because it has a bigger port. Just the quirk of the game engine.

Not really. The 2M+ at Cristobal is from Convoy dumps the scenario designers put in the arrival queue. It's not from 500/day anything. Neither is Balboa; it's flow from Cristobal, not the other way round. In the early game I sent most of the 500/day stuff to Port Stanley or out to PH with arrivals as AW1Steve says. Balboa was usually under 20,000. There are no planes there and LCUs pass through. There's no reason to hold a pile. When the convoy arrivals start there's so much supply floating off-map the Allies have no hope of ever moving it all. Aden gets multi-millions, as does CT.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 3/22/2016 12:03:37 AM

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If I had a single wish for the imaginary AE2 it would be that a transport aircraft could be loaded "both ways". A plane flying supplies to a besiege base could also evacuate units out on the return trip.

I actually tried this once. IIRC it let me bring in supplies and set a pick up troops order, but it was never carried out. Only the supplies went, the pick up troops order stayed, but was never executed.

BTW, before someone asks, both bases had an airfield.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 3/29/2016 1:20:24 PM

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Just one more observation.

I thought the supply routine chooses the biggest port in each in-game country. If you press 4, you will see that India is code 44, while Ceylon is code 45. However, in RHS mod, where India is linked with Ceylon by the means of Adam's Bridge and Trincomalee is the biggest port both in India and Ceylon, the code pushed almost 1,000,000 supply points from India to Trincomalee in a few turns.

BTW, this would explain why Jap players see supply and fuel accumulate in Singapore - it is the biggest port (level 9) for Burma/Malaya/Thailand/Indochina region.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 4/23/2016 9:00:08 AM

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Seems Alfred resolved the issue, post #13:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=3700490&mpage=1&key=�

He only speaks of resources, but I see supplies, oil and fuel behave the same way.

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6. In the absence of player intervention, raw materials produced at a base are sent to satisfy the natural demands from all bases which can trace a valid supply path back to the production site. Any surplus raw materials production is then sent to the largest port which can trace a valid supply path. The tie breaker when 2 or more equally sized ports are candidates, is the port with the highest spoilage limit.
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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 4/23/2016 10:18:19 AM

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*sigh*

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Just a reminder that it's not (port+airfield) that matters, but largest port size. Airfield size only plays a role as a tie breaker between the largest ports

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 5/16/2016 3:50:53 PM

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Does anyone know what happens when in a given economy i.e. China I lose all coastal and riverine ports? How is surplus oil/res/fuel/supply distributed then? Does it accumulate in the base with the biggest airfield? Does it "bounce" form base to base freely then? Accumulates in national capitals?

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 9/10/2016 5:52:49 AM

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Just want to share a morning thought.

If you fear an early Japanese invasion of India, then start developing Karachi port from the start. When you reach port level 7, all surplus will start to accumulate in Karachi instead of Bombay and its level 6 port. Thus all surplus supply will be pulled to this northernmost base away from incoming Japs, denying them any supply windfall. If Japs manage to conquer the whole of India, but Karachi, you will be sitting on huge pile of supply/ resources in Karachi, turning it into an unbreakable mega fortress with whole US Army living there comfortably.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 9/10/2016 12:54:53 PM

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nvm

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 9/10/2016 8:59:29 PM

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Does anyone know what happens when in a given economy i.e. China I lose all coastal and riverine ports? How is surplus oil/res/fuel/supply distributed then? Does it accumulate in the base with the biggest airfield? Does it "bounce" form base to base freely then? Accumulates in national capitals?

We know from observation that Chungking become the supply depot when all ports are gone, so it is either largest airfield or the presence of national HQs that make it draw it all in. Plus the supply usage by all those new recruits of course!

That said, depending how pockets form or not around Changsha, Wenchow and Sian there could be other smaller stockpiles of supply.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 11/19/2021 9:01:58 AM

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Thread resurrection.

Updated scen001.

Anyone knows why Clark Field attracted 87k fuel from Manila in one turn on its own?

Manila now has 22k fuel, down from 111k fuel last turn.

Clark Field has no HI, no ships stationed there, no ships have Clark Field as its home port.

Clark Field has port 2, arfield 8, and unlimited supply/fuel storage
Manila has port 5, airfield 3, and supply/fuel limits in 120-190k range

It seems the tie-breaker is not airfield size , but the combined development level( port+airfield). Clark Field has 10 dev level, Manila has 9 dev level.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 11/19/2021 10:21:20 AM

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OK, next turn the fuel ping-ponged back to Manila. Go figure.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 11/19/2021 4:51:52 PM

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I would guess that the fuel that was at Clark was on its way to the base NW of Clark and to Bataan. Both those bases show TFs, which means fuel demand. Once a turn passed with no fuel demand, the fuel went back to largest port.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 11/19/2021 8:17:57 PM

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NW of Clark Field are six PT boats in Iba which has 2000 fuel.

The plot thickens.

Another turn and again 82k fuel magically transfers to Clark Field. I will just set fuel to stockpile in Manila next turn.

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RE: Why so much supply in Madras? - 11/19/2021 8:45:21 PM

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Had this happen often w/ fuel - it shows up in places where it is not needed, however this game may be one of the most complicated ones, so one can not program all these things to perfection imho.

But it is kind of fun to observe these issues

Have you checked bigger ships have Clark as homebase? Ah you have it checked, then there should not be so much fuel..

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