neuromancer
Posts: 627
Joined: 5/30/2002
From: Canada
Status: offline
|
quote:
ORIGINAL: Tarhunnas
I am among those who think that the game gets a somewhat unhistorical tilt by the fact that the most attractive target and the one most likely to have an effect on the balance of forces is Leningrad. It also happens to be the easiest big objective to take as the German. In reality, Leningrad had lower priority for the Germans than Moscow or the Ukraine.
+1
quote:
2. Make the Soviets lose AP:s to simulate the loss of administrative facilities in Moscow. Lower the Soviet AP allocation per turn by 10 or 20 AP if Moscow is lost. Or alternatively, lower Soviet manpower by 5 or 10 percent if Moscow is lost, to simulate general dissillusionment in the population following the fall of Moscow.
AP loss would have been likely, 'all roads led to Moscow', more or less. It was the centre of the bureaucracy and the many buttons that it needed. I think a morale shift (bonus) should go to the Axis for taking Moscow though, it was a symbolic location for them, not sure how much so for the Russians. Perhaps the Soviets should lose morale the further East the Axis gets after a certain point, a small penalty for their continued inability to stop the fascist invaders.
quote:
4. Do not let the Finns attack south of the no attack line. This would still let the finns move south if the Germans clear the way for them, which I think is generous when considering the historical situation. Historically, I think it would have been extremely doubtful if one single finn would have stepped over that line even if the Germans had captured Leningrad three times over and made it into a parking lot.
I was exchanging email with a Finn some years back who felt that their only goal in the Continuation War was to regain what they lost in the Winter War, and nothing more. He felt that they wouldn't have moved one inch further than they did, no matter how well the Germans did. This is reinforced by the general disgust the Finns felt for what the Nazis were doing in the captured territories.
Of course, if there was a chance to gain territory and wealth, perhaps the Finns might have been lured out anyway. Hard to say. The Germans likely would have had to do MUCH better than they did historically before they would risk angering the Soviet Union (because they didn't take anything more, or doing anything nasty, the Soviets were willing to let the Finns quietly exit the war - unlike the Germans who they were going to kick until it wasn't fun any more, and then do it a while longer anyway).
Most games have the Finnish front as an "its there" type thing, but little more - you have to keep enough forces there to keep the Finns in check, but that is it. Although most games also feel that if the Germans captured Leningrad, the Finns would have moved further out.
Armies don't generally march on something just because its there. There is a reason to take it. It may be strategic (a cross road, a fortification, a good location to secure the flank from), it may be industrial (the real goal of war is not to shoot the other guy's troops, it is to destroy his ability to make war against you, his troops want to do that to you, and stop you from doing it to him), it may be resources (that was why the Japanese invaded in the Pacific, and the Germans looted as many resources as they could - inefficiently, but they did it), it could be wealth (the Germans looted billions from the conquered territories to help pay for the war), or it could simply be on the way to one of the above, but there is a reason.
Many games declare certain cities to be objective hexes - a way of saying "its important, but we aren't worrying about why exactly" which the scenarios do here, but it is much less tangible in the campaign. It would be nice to have that so we could set our own objectives rather than an arbitrary decision of "well, I guess we'll go that way..."
Hitler supposedly felt that the prime objectives were Leningrad, the Ukraine, and the oil in the Caucuses, Moscow was a symbol so was on the list, but lower than the Ukraine and Leningrad.
Of course Hitler also felt the British would simply surrender if he bombed them enough, and that the Soviet Union would collapse in upon itself simply because it was attacked. So what he thought important is to be taken with a lump of salt.
< Message edited by neuromancer -- 6/4/2011 1:14:33 AM >
|
Printable Version
RE: Game Suggestions: - 
New Messages
No New Messages
Hot Topic w/ New Messages
Hot Topic w/o New Messages
Locked w/ New Messages
Locked w/o New Messages
Post New Thread