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ORIGINAL: Klydon

I think Larry has shown the way with his AAR against Pelton. Despite getting just absolutely hammered in 1941, he was in a position to continue to resist in 1942. I think most everyone was fairly sure what the outcome would be, but the point is the Russians seem to be very capable of taking the most severe battering and still be in a position to offer resistance.

Out of this mess, you can take some comfort in a couple of things. First, losses for both sides is fairly low for this time of season. That is going to change if he can nail all those pockets, so it is going to be up to you to save as much of your army as you can. What doesn't get destroyed doesn't have to be replaced in terms of armaments points. You are still in a position that even whatever he destroys now, will come back yet, even if it is a shell.

With PG1 heading north, that should mean the Stalino area is safe; for now. Don't fool yourself, those factories need to be gone by spring and there is a chance he could still get them during snow, but not likely. Either way, you need to defend them heavily. I would look to try to keep the armaments in place for now in order to help fill out units for your blizzard offensive. You are going to need a good blizzard offensive, which may be quite possible depending on how losses go and how well he sets up for winter. We have seen a number of Germans do well with their campaign only to take a terrific beating during blizzard. Case in point, if he doesn't clean up the situation north of the Crimea, there could be some possibilities there. There is a good chance that the line won't advance much past Moscow and a counter offensive may take it back.

A lot of what happens in the winter will depend on how well you organize your forces in the shock armies, get the proper leaders set up there and then come out swinging.

Hang in there.

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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Q-ball, I'd be resigning tbh.

You might survive and limp along and deny the German a decisive victory, sure. But you aren't going to get to Berlin.

Runaways don't work. I've said it before, and I'll say it again. Against a first class German player, they will fail every time.

You have to buy time, and sacrifice units and rail units to the front. Make the German fight.

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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Bring it on.

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ORIGINAL: M60A3TTS

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ORIGINAL: Klydon

I think Larry has shown the way with his AAR against Pelton. Despite getting just absolutely hammered in 1941, he was in a position to continue to resist in 1942. I think most everyone was fairly sure what the outcome would be, but the point is the Russians seem to be very capable of taking the most severe battering and still be in a position to offer resistance.

Out of this mess, you can take some comfort in a couple of things. First, losses for both sides is fairly low for this time of season. That is going to change if he can nail all those pockets, so it is going to be up to you to save as much of your army as you can. What doesn't get destroyed doesn't have to be replaced in terms of armaments points. You are still in a position that even whatever he destroys now, will come back yet, even if it is a shell.

With PG1 heading north, that should mean the Stalino area is safe; for now. Don't fool yourself, those factories need to be gone by spring and there is a chance he could still get them during snow, but not likely. Either way, you need to defend them heavily. I would look to try to keep the armaments in place for now in order to help fill out units for your blizzard offensive. You are going to need a good blizzard offensive, which may be quite possible depending on how losses go and how well he sets up for winter. We have seen a number of Germans do well with their campaign only to take a terrific beating during blizzard. Case in point, if he doesn't clean up the situation north of the Crimea, there could be some possibilities there. There is a good chance that the line won't advance much past Moscow and a counter offensive may take it back.

A lot of what happens in the winter will depend on how well you organize your forces in the shock armies, get the proper leaders set up there and then come out swinging.

Hang in there.

Re Larry I am not so sure about that. At first I was also impressed by how his Red Army reappeared at the end of 1941. Then looking deeper it was pretty obvious as it is with the same game now against KLilly, that Larry simply used all his resources and rebuilt the Red Army of 1941 rather than evolving it to the new. It has to be open to question whether that type of army can survive in 1942, or whether it simply becomes Barbarossa Redux. It didn't take long in '42 for Pelton to consume the Soviet Fronts and again KLilly is repeating the same process. Imitation is the sincerest form of flattery they say. Of course in a similar situation others may take the Red Army to the next level. but perhaps it remains to be seen what size of army emerges. When Larry fleshes out the shell divisions in winter, come Spring it looks like a long, wide carpet. A Red Army with numerous corps may look a lot smaller. So I think we are still waiting to see the book written on how to survive catastrophic losses of Moscow, Leningrad, the Donbass and come out of winter with a chance to win the war.

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ORIGINAL: randallw
There is a pretty basic way to help keep large amounts of factories from being overrun: the factory icon on the main menu will highlight cities with them, in red.  Any place with Germans too close, get 'em out on rails.  ( It is easy to forget the existence of the icon, from personal experience )

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see the big problem for the Sovs; he has light losses and while he as lost some industry, I think he only needs to save 50% to reach historical production levels, and I don't think he has lot that much, right?

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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ORIGINAL: randallw
There is a pretty basic way to help keep large amounts of factories from being overrun: the factory icon on the main menu will highlight cities with them, in red.  Any place with Germans too close, get 'em out on rails.  ( It is easy to forget the existence of the icon, from personal experience )

This feature is currently not very helpful, IMO, since it also highlights hexes with stuff that can't be evacced--resources, ports, etc. It is pretty tedious to hunt and peck through all of these hexes to find which hexes still contain things which need to be evacced. What we need is two different colors of red to distinguish between hexes with factories that can be evacced and those with factories which cannot be evacced.