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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/3/2011 4:49:09 PM   
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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/4/2011 11:25:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I am to cautious to make any counterattacks yet.

I have no units to move at the north front. And Germany seems to have run out of supply there.

On the central front I retreated a little bit. Feeling a bit secure with the withdrawl of an entire German panzer army to the south front. Due to supply trouble the 51st infatry corps become disorganezed and therefore its location decided where the rest of the units on the central front makes its stand. I also feel a bit secure because both German HQs on the central front are now disorganized and some 5 to 7 hexes from the front.

I am, however, a bit worried that Germany can get a double move. It is closing to the end of the turn after all. And with Germany ending this turn and beginning the next could be real trouble for me.



Picture taken at HQ reorganization of Allied impulse #10, May/Jun 1941

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/4/2011 11:37:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the south front I also retreat a few hexes. My AA division become disorganized during the German attack on that hex and had to be abandoned to defend itself. In the Carpathians the 2nd Guard Cavalary Corps tries to get out of the pocket by moving south. If it survives to the end of the turn it will become organized again.

Edit: Since I have no reserves at all I moved a couple of aircraft to the south front so that I at least have some air support there. Now I just have to decide if I should use Timoshenko to reorganize a unit or not. Either one infantry army in Kiev, one fighter or one land bomber. Or maybe save Timoshenko if the turn gets way to long. At the end of this impulse it is 40% chance for the turn to end.


Picture taken at HQ reorganization of Allied impulse #10, May/Jun 1941


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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 12:17:51 AM   
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Status: offline 		I was wondering if he'd move that CAV out to attempt a raid on Rumania next turn (assuming I forget to check it ).

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 6:31:20 AM   
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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 7:34:24 AM   
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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 9:01:25 AM   
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So, it was left to Rundstedt to try to repair the damage. He did his best, recharging supplies and morale for the 4 units that remained from that disastrous attack. He should have had them all shot!


Nonono. They learned something there. If they do it again, THEN you damn well ought to shoot them. Also, people who are forgiven are usually more loyal to you .

Great read,


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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 9:18:23 AM   
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Is there a city under USSR control there?

No, no city, but we are not using Isolated Reorg.

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is this game happening now, or already over and being posted in pieces?

It's happening now, so technically this is a play-by-play and not a true AAR. Our aim is to play 1-2 impulses each day. The first day we managed 2 each, I think.

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Nonono. They learned something there. If they do it again, THEN you damn well ought to shoot them. Also, people who are forgiven are usually more loyal to you .


Perhaps. We shall see if they (I) learned anything. Forgiveness wasn't one of thee Nazi strengths, I don't think. Besides, people who are dead can't fail you . How's that for twisted logic?

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 9:40:07 AM   
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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 9:55:24 AM   
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Thx.

I was just re-reading his post about the 2nd Guard Cavalry, and I may have another problem on my hands. If Orm gets a double move, my Rumanian supply lines and Oil become extremely threatened!




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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 9:57:20 AM   
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Status: offline 		Fortunately, the Rumanian III Motorized Corps is waiting to rescue me from my folly, coming in as a reinforcement at the beginning of July.




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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 8:48:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		One little thing the USSR has going for them is that the German bombers are well behind the front, and my reading of the indicators is correct they are also disorganized.

So even if Germany gets a double move they have to bring the bombers up to smash the Soviet formations.

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/5/2011 11:53:41 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't like the way things are going for the Germans. It's usually better to choose between an assault in north or south, rather then attacking at both fronts. If I look at the number of impulses played, the advance of the Germans is reasonable, but the next turn the airforce needs to be massively rebased, before ground strikes are possible. Also, the HQ's are to far from the frontlines. Personally I think I would first look at eliminating that CAV in Rumania if the turn doesn't end. If it's gone, the lone MTN can be contained by the Hungarian army.
Now, looking from a Russian point of view, things are reasonable (especially looking at how the Germans are operating. Russia still got control of Kiev and of the river line in the south. Leningrad is save, however the Finnish ski division should be stopped, before it will cut more raillines up north. On the whole, the front there is pretty stable now, because the German can't move (if he does, he's OOS).
Also, the front is to large now, since all 4 German/Rumanian HQ's are needed to give all units the needed supply. This is pretty difficult for the German. As the Russian player, I would try to consolidate my positions (since the German airforce is far away) and gain an impulse forcing the Germans to rebase.


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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 12:45:46 AM   
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Status: offline 		Just for the record: this is my first ever game vs a real opponent. WiF, MWiF, any of them. Solo beta-testing just doesn't give you practical skills.

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 2:32:50 AM   
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Status: offline 		The game ended after my impulse on a 40% chance for it to end. Here is a overwiev at the end of the turn.

Germany liberated all 3 Baltic countries.

I built 6 Militia, 4 garrison and 1 infantry army with USSR.

Unfortunately Germany won the initiative and moves first so I feel that my AA unit is doomed.




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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 3:10:29 AM   
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Status: offline 		And here's how things look at the beginning of the July/August 1941 turn

I built an Offensive chit, 1 Infantry, 1 Militia, and 2 Pilots for Germany. 1 remaining BP is getting saved for next turn.

It's a little hard to see at this scale, but there are a few minor changes due to reinforcement. I'm going to wait until morning (about 8 hours) before I try to get things moving. When I do, I'll start by telling about some of the noteworthy items (or lack thereof) on the map seen below.




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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 2:37:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		I took a good look at the map, and if I had gotten even 1 more impulse in May/June 1941, I would be in a lot better shape..

In the North, my supply situation is very weak, but so are the Soviet defenses. I can use the 2nd Ski Division either to make a dash for one of the three vacant cities to the east, or to cut the rails to both Leningrad and Novgorod. Since none of his reinforcements went to help out Novgorod, I'm going to have to do the latter. An extra benefit here is that This move will allow Mannerheim to switch rail lines later this turn for supply purposes, improving my situation there.

Between Mannerheim and the other HQs in this region, I might manage to outflank the powerful defensive armies built up between Vitebsk and the Pripet Marshes. Again, I've edited this image to show more Flyouts than you can normally have open in the game. I'll definitely be able to take Novgorod next impulse, and I may force the Red Army to weaken its defenses somewhere to protect a new Northern Front.




Picture taken at Action Choice of Axis impulse #1, Jul/Aug 1941 (Turn 2 of 5)


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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 2:40:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		On the Southern Front, the Soviets have reached (but not yet secured) the Dnieper River line. Orm is right -- that sad little AA is toast. And he's left a temptation for me: Kiev. This city is worth 2 Victory Points, and I'm only up to 10 after the first turn. Coincidentally, 10 is the number of Defense factors located in this city. It can be doubled with Ground Support, but it's still a temptation. If I can take it, he'll be forced to transfer some forces North, or else risk having the German Army in position to cross the river soon. It would be easy to take using my O-chit.




Picture taken at Action Choice of Axis impulse #1, Jul/Aug 1941 (Turn 2 of 5)



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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 2:44:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		However, you are all correct in your scorn for my use of the air units I had available last turn. I now have 7 FTR and 10 LND, plus 2 NAV. Only the fighters are in position to be extremely useful. This is why I could have used another impulse last turn; if even a few of my aircraft were closer to the front, then my next decision would be easier. Here's the problem:

  • I can't wait up North. To attain my goals, I need to move those units now
  • For this long turn, I need my bombers close to the front to hit his ARM
  • I have at least 1 HQ on the wrong front, up North
  • I didn't get that Panzer group to the front before this turn

So, I guess I'll have to be the tortoise, and not the hare. I'll get some more air support onto the front lines, and save that O-chit for terrorizing the enemy later on.

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 3:11:43 PM   
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Status: offline 		Since I'd rather the Soviet position in Kiev stay as it is, I tried a Ground Strike with the only LND in the area, the Stuka. The MiG-3 patrolling the skies met up with my Bf 109 F-3 and won, forcing my pilot to bail out. Fortunately, the dogfight lasted long enough to let my Stuka through. The MiG, low on fuel, was forced to Abort to Bryansk.



Picture taken during Air-to-Air Combat Digression of Axis Ground Strike, impulse #1, Jul/Aug 1941 (Turn 2 of 5)


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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 3:16:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		And again, my bomber was only 50% effective. What ever happened to going above and beyond the call of duty?



Picture taken during Axis Ground Strike, impulse #1, Jul/Aug 1941 (Turn 2 of 5)

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 4:11:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		It took me a loooooooong time to figure out how to reposition my troops. More on that later. For now, "say goodbye to my little friend!" 36:2 Blitz here (Automatic). No other attacks for the time being.



Picture taken during Axis Combat Declaration, impulse #1, Jul/Aug 1941 (Turn 2 of 5)



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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 4:26:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		At the end of the impulse, I brought 3 more LND onto the front lines. Two down south, and one in the center.

Here's how thing look up North: Novgorod will be mine, one way or another. If he chooses to interrupt my supply from Mannerheim, it can only be done by skirting past my Ski division with his (I think). That leaves Novgorod open. If he doesn't, I'll pound those skiers into mush. Either way, I should soon have a northern route to bring some troops around the main battle lines to the south.



Picture taken at end of Axis impulse #1, Jul/Aug 1941 (Turn 2 of 5)

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 4:32:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the Vitebsk region, I've got my HQs back on the rail lines, and I might be able to surround the city. I don't have a lot of force to bring to bear, but it might be enough to inch forward (once I've got everybody to the front).



Picture taken at end of Axis impulse #1, Jul/Aug 1941 (Turn 2 of 5)



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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 4:37:20 PM   
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Status: offline 		And finally, in the south, I've regrouped a little bit. I'm still not in a great position to threaten his tanks, but I'm okay. The transfer of Panzers is almost complete, and I'm in position to tame that wild CAV if it should get too bold.



Picture taken at end of Axis impulse #1, Jul/Aug 1941 (Turn 2 of 5)



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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 4:59:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think I might have made one big mistake. We'll see if it comes back to bite me.

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 5:31:06 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Red Prince

I think I might have made one big mistake. We'll see if it comes back to bite me.

Probably not, since I do not see any mistake.

I'll run and hide like a scared rabbit.

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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 5:34:43 PM   
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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 5:49:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		In the north Leningrad is left to its own defences and Novgorod is abandoned altogether. 1st Ski Division advance towards Mannerheim



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RE: A look at Barbarossa. - 8/6/2011 5:51:29 PM   
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Status: offline 		Maybe I didn't. I thought I left 2 tasty stacks of ARM and MECH in range of his LND (Tac of 4 each), and without fighter support. As it turns out, one is an ARM, MOT, and LND. The other is a MECH and INF, I think. Had they both been Armor, it might have been worth a 40% chance to Ground Strike in order to slow me down.

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