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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 12/30/2011 11:31:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		Anyway, this is why I am talking about a not so mini 1941 redux. Look at the CVs of the armored hordes. Untouchable

This makes me think I have to give ground... and then... somehow... after perhaps 4 or 5 turns their strength might be reduced. Perhaps I'm wrong, but I suspect right now these forces will vaporize anything on their path...

And land, that I can afford it

Patience is the word, I suspect. Let him advance... sooner or later I should be finding nice opportunities for the Guards Rifle Corps, Cavalry Corps and then the Tank Armies combo...

As you can see, he has bagged 6 rifle divisions in the Bryansk Front. Good appetite. At least his cannibals will be sort of busy on next turn.




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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 12/30/2011 11:35:07 PM   
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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 12/30/2011 11:37:44 PM   
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Are you sure? I think this rule applied to Shock Armies. I am pretty certain having guards in guards armies = some sort of bonus.


I bookmarked this thread, which summarizes the situation and rules, so I always have it at hand (until the rules change again )

Short version: Guards rifle units & Guards non-motorized support -> Guard army
Non-guards rifle units & non-guards non-motorized support -> Shock army


My mistake, sorry. You were talking about Cavalry units, I see

Anyway, I think it is a good idea to keep this Guards Cavalry Corps here. It's extra punch. As opposed to attaching this corps directly to Stavka.

I mean, to me the priority now is forming 2, 3 or 4 strong and mobile armies. I want firepower. And that's what this Guards Cavalry Corps is giving me

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 12/30/2011 11:39:44 PM   
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Like your other AAR's as always an exquisite reading.
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Thank you Feel free to comment anything, as every comment (harsh criticism included ) is welcome.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 12/30/2011 11:51:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		Oh, and I changed my mind about the rifle divisions around Gorky. In the end, when they are back to the front I have to pay 1 AP to reassign them to a frontline army. Soooo, from now on if army x has units with low morale, they will be railed somewhere BEHIND the army (as long as they are minimum 10 hexes away from enemy units and on refit mode). When morale is recovered they will go back to the front. If any other frontline unit of that army has low morale, it will be sent to the rear, etc. etc. So maximum one division (per army) should be resting, refitting at any given time.

Therefore the 15 (in fact almost 20) rifle divisions around Gorky will be sent to the area where I am gathering the independent rifle divisions (attached to Stavka, strategic reserves, etc. etc). East of Moscow that is.

I will have like 35 such independent rifle divisions that is. I mean, these are the reserves I still have at hand right now (+ the many Stavka armies, of course) Oops. I forgot the 20 Guards Rifle Divisions attached to stavka: 55 rifle divisions is the total right now, sorry.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 12/30/2011 11:57:53 PM   
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My mistake, sorry. You were talking about Cavalry units, I see

Anyway, I think it is a good idea to keep this Guards Cavalry Corps here. It's extra punch. As opposed to attaching this corps directly to Stavka.

I mean, to me the priority now is forming 2, 3 or 4 strong and mobile armies. I want firepower. And that's what this Guards Cavalry Corps is giving me

Thats what I figured, I just wanted to be sure ;)

And those enemy CVs look really evil. Hit and run is the only thing you can try there ...

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 12/31/2011 12:01:56 AM   
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And those enemy CVs look really evil. Hit and run is the only thing you can try there ...


I don't think "hit & run" is even possible right now. The 1:1 = 2:1 is gone. I have to be patient and wait As long as he has such CVs and his armored hordes concentrated and close to non damaged rail lines he is untouchable I suspect. I better... run away!

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 1/12/2012 2:30:35 PM   
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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 1/13/2012 2:34:03 AM   
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Things have been quiet here. Anything to share?


Not really. I am not interested in updating, continuing this AAR

Sorry for the inconvenience.

As on your game, the Germans are strong. I keep retreating. No possiblity of attacks against armored spearheads: they are way too strong (or I merely suck). Marquo keeps being systematic. He's done a really nice pocket in the Bryansk, Voronozeh Fronts (25 divisions trapped), so well done I will keep retreating then somehow, I may start doing something in autumn. We will see

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 1/13/2012 10:04:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Explain to me the concept of STAVKA armies. You dont attach them to any front?

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 1/14/2012 12:18:21 AM   
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Explain to me the concept of STAVKA armies. You dont attach them to any front?


No. It is too expensive, you can't afford that. Fronts already have their maximum number of armies. More armies would overload them. Hmm, these armies are simply "organized" reserves. You could have divisions attached directly to STAVKA, but that would mean lots of penalties. If they are attached to Army HQs (directly attached to STAVKA), no penalties, I think.

The thing is I create lots of reserves and I form small Stavka armies therefore I have lots of these armies. They are basically mobile units that can be sent anywhere. In both the defence and offense. That guarantees you can apply the concentration of forces thing anytime you want/need.

You can also deduce that having the armies attached to STAVKA (as opposed to Fronts) allows you more flexibilty. Front Armies are stuck in their geographic area (because -again- it is very expensive to reassign whole armies).

That was the Soviet doctrine, which I merealy imitate. Even as late as march 1945 they were following this doctrine. During the operations near the Lake Balaton the [Strategic Reserve] 9th Guards Army was committed to battle.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/5/2012 9:36:24 PM   
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Turn 73
5 November 1942

Well, my conclusion after the summer 1942 German offensive...

As you can see on the screenshot, Marquo has grabbed a loooooot of land. Overall I would say this might cost me the war. Still, this is a totally virgin territory to me. I don't know what to expect from the coming winter offensive. South of Moscow I should be getting to Kursk area (to be more or less on schedule)... and that seems impossible, even if I like to push like a crazy bastard (first blizzard). I don't know if I will able to start pushing the Hitlerite bandits during 1943 either.

I was thinking that I would be giving up if I am really far from the historical line after the winter. BUT... I would be missing an important experience: handling the Red Army v2.0 that is! Therefore I think I should continue no matter what

The reasons of this debacle? Well, I could start some sort of wild tirade (à la Mister X), asking for the heads of y, z and t. The thing is I honestly think 1) Marquo has done a really excellent summer campaign and 2) I did a horrible defensive campaign. Therefore my opinion is that any other Soviet player might have done much better than me. As easy as this!

Still, the summer has been very stressful. And this means the campaign is about right (as per history). The pace of my turns was really slow, simply because I did not know what to do! This is a horrible feeling, by the way.

Yes, I had lots of reserves. The thing is Marquo was gobbling units every turn (following a really good pocket in the south: almost 40 divisions trapped!). I ended up with no reserves, a thin frontline, and of course, willing to fight (not one step back) for Moscow. The city is still in my hands but as I have said I don't know if the events in the south will cost me the war. I would say it will, but time will tell (the virigin territory thing).

The only good thing (LOL) is that he's only swallowed regular rifle divisions. Only two or so Guards divisions were swallowed. No Corps (Guards Rifle, Tank and Cavalry) were annihilated.

I had only created 6 Guards Rifle Corps which were put to good use around Moscow, trashing here and there the Hitlerite Bandits, along with the Tank Corps (a hit & run thing). Moscow is in my hands because of them, no doubt.




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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/5/2012 9:48:36 PM   
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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/5/2012 9:54:04 PM   
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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/5/2012 10:06:08 PM   
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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/5/2012 10:08:32 PM   
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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/5/2012 10:33:15 PM   
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Status: offline 		As per one of the above screenshots, you can see I have lost lots of rifle divisions. The thing is I have bought/created (like crazy) new Rifle Divisions: 10 APs a-piece.

But I haven't paid attention at all to the commanders screen thing. Looks like this harvest has allowed me to have a good number of divisions now. I did not expect it.

Let's see:

344 Rifle Divisions
17 Cavalry Divisions
11 Mountain Divisions

Total: 372 divisions

Then (each corps is made of 3 divisions):

16 Rifle Corps
11 Cavalry Corps

= (16 x 3) + (11 x 3) = 48 + 33 = 81 divisions

Therefore if my maths are correct I have 372 + 81 = 453 divisions

Is that right or I should not count the Cavalry divisions?

As you can see I have few Cavalry and Tank Corps And that's where the shortage of APs appear... you are hard pressed all over the map, you need to keep the head above the water... you cannot create these corps... I will be having more cavalry and tank corps by the way.

Oh, I started to buy Artillery Divisions as well. The sooner they appear they better. They should terrorise Marquo's hordes big time. At least that's the spirit!




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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/5/2012 11:37:25 PM   
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Status: offline 		I still have no concrete plan at all. This is my first rudimentary idea, plan. One thing is certain: yes, this is no longer like the first blizzard... BUT, like 4 turns ago I started a mini offensive in the area south of Moscow, grosso modo from Arzamas (south of Gorky) to past Saratov in the south. Area held by weak (but German) regiments. The fort levels were even = 3... I used few forces but they EASILY pushed the same these units. I had managed like 15 retreats per turn only in this area.

So first blizzard or not, these forces should not be able to resist the massed attacks of the Red Army during the next winter... And I indeed plan to attack en masse no matter what

Still, Kursk is really far away. I should possibly mass the Tank Armies here (each one will have, when finally reorganised 2 Tank + 1 Mechanised Corps). Who knows, their mere presence alone might force (somehow) Marquo to start some sort of retreat on his own... Dreams dreams dreams!




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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/6/2012 4:47:36 AM   
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Status: offline 		He has taken tons of casualties, but can still field close to 4.9 million between German and Axis minors, so its not like you have a big edge there. The thing he doesn't have is tanks and aircraft, so you should be able to make some hay there if you are careful.

My take looking at the map is he has way too much front to defend (why you are running into regiments and they likely have to be weak regiments at that). The Red Army is going to be weak in a lot of places as well, but I think you have it right and that is to start pushing, even if you have marginal superiority. Push a bit, consolidate. Push someplace else, etc. Start running up the victory total and get your division/corps moral going while degrading his.

As far as making him retreat, I think you have the plan in mind for that and he is going to suddenly realize how weak he is and start pulling back to shorten his lines up as a guess.

What is your AP reserve? Reminder that after Jan 1, 1943, infantry corps go on sale for half price. Also, keep an eye on the overall size of your army in terms of units. You don't want too many units or they will be weak because you can't fill them up in terms of manpower/armaments.

Good to see you still going on this one. :)

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/6/2012 7:47:43 AM   
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His front line does look very long, he must have weak spots? I would create 6-10 "assault armies" under Stavka command, chock full of rifle corps, engineers and ArtDivs and start blasting away at this weak points. Frankly, I suspect that if you allow him to figure out where your main effort is, he will still be able to rally sufficient forces to stop you, if not inflict another encirclement, so I would just try to keep him off balance to keep him on the defensive while you build up your strength--you seem to be quite weak in manpower for this stage of the war.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/6/2012 8:21:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Klydon, "AP reserve"? LOL What's that? I'm living from hand to mouth, literally. Yes, I've got 60 APs each turn, but when I finally click on the end turn thing *poof*... gone, vanished...

76mm, the Germans are, will necessarily be weak in some parts of the front. There's no way he can cover all that frontline. Impossible. And you are indeed correct. He has to know that is his weakest spot. Anyway, I have no idea at all about the next winter offensive. The first blizzard is basically a thuggish thing, no sophistication at all. Brute force all over the place. Still, as long as he's got (and this is inevitable), weak spots, a thuggish approach is possibly valid. In other words, my current plan is basically along these lines: trash every [weak] single enemy unit in sight. And every single turn...

And let's see what the Good Lord will provide

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/6/2012 8:26:01 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm going to need some of your kind help, by the way. How many infantry corps should I be building in let's say the first 6 months of 1943?

Should I concentrate them in offensive roles? That is, they only should defend key places?

Right now I have 16 such infantry corps. I don't think they can leave Moscow area (a defensive but key mission). Not to mention that reassigning them to other Armies HQs is way too expensive

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/6/2012 9:22:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, given you are tapped out on APs, it doesn't sound like you are going to get a lot built. There are some other issues. First, how are you on support units? Corps buffed up by sapper regiments are a lot meaner than corps with nothing. If you don't have a store of sapper units now, I would get some started to give them time to skill up so they will be ready to go when you do start building corps. The other support unit that might be tasty could be to build some tank regiments. Same deal. Build them now and let them train up.

Honestly, given the weakness of the German army, I would be launching limited offensives to "ground and pound". You want your corps making attacks with artillery support, etc. He is not going to have a huge amount in reserve mode simply because he doesn't have enough for it.

Your army is big enough (enough counters) so you don't really need to build a pile of new units. Just keep what you have to a point. I would say shoot for a minimum of 3 corps a turn, but no more than 4 a turn. (Will need to build support for those, so each corps actually cost a minimum of 13 points each).

Getting a pool of AP's gives the Russians a chance for some tactical surprises. How? Well, in a sector where the Germans might be facing a line of infantry divisions that can't put a lot of pressure on the line, the Russians come through and blow 100 AP to get 10 Corps built, transfers in 3 support each, and all of a sudden, the Germans are faced with a situation where the Russians can now concentrate their forces to slug their way through a line.

You need to grind, grind, grind imo.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/6/2012 10:08:27 PM   
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Status: offline 		I don't think you've shown us your unit density, but with that long front, and only 6+ million men, you must be spread pretty thin as well?

If so, personally I wouldn't build many corps at this point, maybe one or two per turn, until you get to 7 million men, along with one or two divisions to get your unit count up--just building corps without new divs will really thin out your line... And as many artillery divisions as you can. And I totally agree with Klydon re the sapper units.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/7/2012 2:21:41 AM   
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Status: offline 		I agree with Klydon. In my game with Q-ball (which is now into August '43) I was too timid in my attacks early in '43. You have to start attacking the axis units anywhere you can during the winter of '42/'43. Start draining his replacement pool now - this will pay big dividends late in '43 when the initiative fully swings your way. Also, your opponent is very low on armor (Q-ball had 5500 AFV's in July '43 and I have finally ground him down to 5000) so you should be able to use that to your advantage as he won't be able to commit strong panzer divisions to reserve duty.

Also, remember that the axis can still pack a punch at this point in the war. You will find instances where you may be able to cut off a few of his units. My advice would be don't do it unless you are absolutely certain you can hold the pocket through your opponents turn. You will soon have some strong guards rifle and tanks corps and you will be tempted to overextend them. Just focus on building morale/experience - you absolutely don't want to get them cut off and have them surrender. You will have plenty of time for encirclements and mass breakthroughs in '44.....

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/7/2012 2:38:37 AM   
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Concerning the rifle unit total you have about 380 divisions worth; a good target might be about 450, which will be a high AP expenditure, not to mention manpower and equipment absorption. The 18 tank corps is small too, as about 40 would be a good number. Again, APs, manpower, and equipment.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/7/2012 12:30:33 PM   
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Status: offline 		Thanks for the kind help, advices

From what Randall has said, I should be getting to 450 rifle divisions, therefore I need to buy 70. Until the end of the year I can buy almost 30 rifle divisions (4 per turn).

Klydon, as I have said, I am living from hand to mouth, not enough APs The consequence of the summer campaign? Loss of lots of counters. I must replace them first or I don't think I will get anywhere. Therefore I could not focus on buying support units, creating more corps (especially cavalry). In fact the air force has been ignored as well, NO good commanders could be appointed for fronts, etc. Simply put, the APs were only good to keep the head above the water...

I am not sure this is about right (in fact it has to be wrong). I am literally struggling to get what the Red Army actually HAD. And I don't think I will do it, not even close (and especially in time, and time is essential if I want to get to the Reich).

So once I have bought enough rifle divisions I will start buying the Corps and support units: in theory like 3 per turn (I mean corps + SUs). 12 per month, 36 per trimester, 72 in half a year.

smokindave34, I must attack this winter yes or yes. If I don't do that I'd better give up right now: the current frontline in spring 1943 is catastrophic... If I can have two units stacks (and I am not counting the corps, which are available) along the whole line, an offensive is possible. No matter the fortification level, a German regiment generally cannot resist the attack of 4 rifle divisions. Therefore, there must be lots of potential victims. And yes, I know this is not about big breakthroughs. The Red Army cannot afford this kind of war as yet.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/7/2012 1:36:07 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you decide to build rifle divisions and then some rifle corps, I would not use the new formations to form the corps. Put them in the line and pull some of your veteran units out and use those instead. The rifle corps that you form from such units will be a lot further ahead than just using green troops to form one up.

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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/7/2012 2:19:23 PM   
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RE: Dabai Tovarischi! - 5/7/2012 2:48:37 PM   
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Ok, you leave me no choice... please, give me your wallets, watches, rings and socks!




Yes, I have to use the veteran formations to form the Rifle Corps. Sound advice, thank you I am already buying Artillery Divisions.

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