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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/27/2013 9:22:28 PM

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I think that units in reserve mode getting a free pass on being able to continue moving in move mode by avoiding getting knocked into combat mode by bombing is a bug that should be reported so it can be fixed.

Not quite as sure about the AA abilities of units in reserve though, it seems to me that reserve status shouldn't be a hindrance to that so what you were seeing there seems reasonable to me. Reserve shouldn't mean they have unmanned and packed their AA guns away like strategic mode should.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/27/2013 10:59:25 PM

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I think that units in reserve mode getting a free pass on being able to continue moving in move mode by avoiding getting knocked into combat mode by bombing is a bug that should be reported so it can be fixed.

Not quite as sure about the AA abilities of units in reserve though, it seems to me that reserve status shouldn't be a hindrance to that so what you were seeing there seems reasonable to me. Reserve shouldn't mean they have unmanned and packed their AA guns away like strategic mode should.

It's not a free pass really. In fact according to the manual reserve mode can have some severe drawbacks if other units are in the hex. You don't want to leave all units in reserve if there is the likelihood of an attack on the ground.

I'm not at all sure what should or shouldn't be available to units in a reserve mode. Seems like they should have quick movement, and I can't really see why they should be popped into combat mode simply because they were attacked from the air.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/27/2013 11:06:10 PM

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I think that units in reserve mode getting a free pass on being able to continue moving in move mode by avoiding getting knocked into combat mode by bombing is a bug that should be reported so it can be fixed.

Not quite as sure about the AA abilities of units in reserve though, it seems to me that reserve status shouldn't be a hindrance to that so what you were seeing there seems reasonable to me. Reserve shouldn't mean they have unmanned and packed their AA guns away like strategic mode should.

It's not a free pass really. In fact according to the manual reserve mode can have some severe drawbacks if other units are in the hex. You don't want to leave all units in reserve if there is the likelihood of an attack on the ground.

I'm not at all sure what should or shouldn't be available to units in a reserve mode. Seems like they should have quick movement, and I can't really see why they should be popped into combat mode simply because they were attacked from the air.

In Reserve to me means ready and waiting to deploy into combat (at this scale) with a one hour alert and in position after 4 hours.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/27/2013 11:10:21 PM

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I think that units in reserve mode getting a free pass on being able to continue moving in move mode by avoiding getting knocked into combat mode by bombing is a bug that should be reported so it can be fixed.

Not quite as sure about the AA abilities of units in reserve though, it seems to me that reserve status shouldn't be a hindrance to that so what you were seeing there seems reasonable to me. Reserve shouldn't mean they have unmanned and packed their AA guns away like strategic mode should.

It's not a free pass really. In fact according to the manual reserve mode can have some severe drawbacks if other units are in the hex. You don't want to leave all units in reserve if there is the likelihood of an attack on the ground.

I'm not at all sure what should or shouldn't be available to units in a reserve mode. Seems like they should have quick movement, and I can't really see why they should be popped into combat mode simply because they were attacked from the air.

In Reserve to me means ready and waiting to deploy into combat (at this scale) with a one hour alert and in position after 4 hours.

Which does imply quick movement, therefore similar to Move mode... I'm on the fence about it. It seems like it was maybe an oversight. Because as it is, you're basically in Move+ mode: never get knocked into Combat unless there's an attack with odds > 2:1; immune to ground bombard; recover fatigue/disruption faster than if you were in Move; but still get knocked into Combat from aerial bombardment and still suffer a penalty if attacked... Idunno, I'd have to sandbox it with all possibilities to see if there were different degrees of penalty in Move vs. Reserve.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/27/2013 11:47:40 PM

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Well, either way it didn't really work out for me!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 2:32:42 AM

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DISAPPEARING Ki-84 FRANK 'b' RESEARCH FACTORIES
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Okay. I have been a bit preoccupied in game lately, but I just did my check on R n D at 12-1-44 and I found something odd. I had two factories researching the Frank 'b' which can be seen from the only screenshot I could find recently, from August, 44. There is one in Osaka and one in Tsu. Suddenly I have none.

Is it possible that they upgraded to the 'r' even though they were not finished researching, and went into production? If that is true, not cool a all. That would mean I basically can't make this plane as I won't be spending 60k supplies to change two factories over.

Am I missing something? Has anyone seen something like this before?

The top part is from August 44. The next part is now. The final piece shows that Frank 'b' research is not fully complete and still a month away from production.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 2:55:36 AM

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I would guess that they did, as you had "upgrade" to Yes for them. And because their upgrade was in production....it upgraded?

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 3:04:41 AM

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I would guess that they did, as you had "upgrade" to Yes for them. And because their upgrade was in production....it upgraded?

If that is true, that sucks.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 3:31:59 AM

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Honestly do not know, but it sure looks like that. I'm real OCD with my research. I check it every turn, even when nothing will happen. I have a plan all drawn out for each game ... yadi yadi yadi da ... yeah. complete OCD.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 9:50:23 AM

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Honestly do not know, but it sure looks like that. I'm real OCD with my research. I check it every turn, even when nothing will happen. I have a plan all drawn out for each game ... yadi yadi yadi da ... yeah. complete OCD.

I've been checking maniacally, but in the last month it had been more sporadic due to other things in game needing lots of detail. I just never imagined that a research factory would 'upgrade' out of research into production.

I wanted to try out all of these, but this one may have to be scrapped as the Frank 'r' is more advantageous in this game anyway with our rules and it's higher speed. Too bad though.

At least now I realize why my Ha-45 engines are so maxed out!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 10:01:10 AM

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Good info. Already switched upgrade option to "no"
Also i suggest to check my AAR to look what happen with my planes pool. It should help avoid disaster with building kamikaze pool for many players.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 2:04:15 PM

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Yeah, checked that out. I think next turn I'll go through and try to start recycling engines I really need more of like the Ha-33.

I'm also starting to think of Home Island defense. Jocke has had the Marianas for some time now and should be in a position to bomb the HI at any moment. i've begun flying CAP in some cities for the first time ever which is taking away some training groups, so especially for the IJN I'll be relying on some float plane groups for much of my fighter training until the actual training groups show up in a month or two.

I'd like to make more Randys but they are expensive. I just feel that with their higher speed and durability they will do well agains the 4Es, plus they have the centerline cannons. The Randy 'a' can also sweep above 31k with our 2nd best band rule, so that could be useful.

One choice I've made recently is to stop making so many Jakes, and maybe turn them off altogether. I've been really cavalier with them, but never made more than I set out in 42, when factories were expanded to 80/month. Now the area I need to cover and the sub menace are both diminished, plus a number of other group types can take over this role in the Home Island areas and around the main defensive positions. I've been losing way too many as the Allied CAP has gotten stronger. Strangely I lose many fewer Norms in the same areas.

I'm sending almost all Jake groups to the HI to begin training fighter and kami pilots and I'll only keep a few groups out for dot base ASW/search duties. This will free up some of the Ha-33 engines for the Randy line.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 2:18:00 PM

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Damn. Randy can sweep at 44k.

together with Ki-84r and later with Ki-83 that could generate good sweep results

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 10:20:51 PM

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27 November 1944
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BURMA: The day after the worst disaster of the war was pretty quiet. We began moving to the hex from which another Allied unit is entering ours, but after realizing movement was at 2 miles a day (!!) the only real option is to go for the hex as yet unoccupied to the NE. This will put out large force out in the middle of nowhere off road, and the only hope is that Jocke decides to not keep enough around to bottle us in. I may be able to keep these guys in a chase for a while though. I've though even of heading for Moulmein.

We'll see.

SUBS: Sea Poacher gets a few hits, but a bunch of other subs are untouched in the South China Sea and we lose an xAK, the Gokoku Maru and an xAKL, the Yamabuki Maru.

DEI: The Aussies take Dili. ow it's a full pull out in the Southern DEI. Lomblen is abandoned for good. java will host a good air base in Soerabaja but all but a few meager ground troops will depart from batavia for Saigon.

Fletchers come forward and take out an LST TF pulling supplies from front line bases. Looks like I've got all I can now.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: Some supply comes in allowing bombing of forward Allied positions should he choose to go into the plains of Thailand.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 27, 44
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Sub attack near Samah at 72,67

Japanese Ships
E Daito

Allied Ships
SS Sea Poacher, hits 2

SS Sea Poacher launches 2 torpedoes at E Daito
Sea Poacher diving deep ....
E Daito fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Daito fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Time Surface Combat, near Waingapoe at 63,113, Range 10,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
E W-14, Shell hits 20, and is sunk
APD T-2, Shell hits 6, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST T-106, Shell hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST T-107, Shell hits 4, and is sunk
LST T-108, Shell hits 1, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
LST T-109, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
LST T-112, Shell hits 3, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Bell
DD Black
DD Boyd
DD Clarence Bronson
DD Halligan
DD Lewis Hancock
DD Hickox
DD Hunt
DD Duncan
DD Harding
DD Doyle

Improved night sighting under 92% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Partly Cloudy Conditions and 92% moonlight: 11,000 yards
Range closes to 25,000 yards...

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Sub attack near Iba at 72,74

Japanese Ships
xAK Gokoku Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PB Nikkai Maru

Allied Ships
SS Gurnard

SS Gurnard launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Gokoku Maru #2
Gurnard diving deep ....
PB Nikkai Maru attacking submerged sub ....
PB Nikkai Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Iba at 72,74

Japanese Ships
xAK Gokoku Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
PB Nikkai Maru

Allied Ships
SS Gurnard

SS Gurnard launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Gokoku Maru #2
Gurnard diving deep ....
PB Nikkai Maru attacking submerged sub ....
PB Nikkai Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Ground combat at Dili (71,115)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35641 troops, 530 guns, 810 vehicles, Assault Value = 1389

Defending force 7582 troops, 67 guns, 10 vehicles, Assault Value = 88

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 514

Japanese adjusted defense: 57

Allied assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Dili !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3598 casualties reported
Squads: 160 destroyed, 17 disabled
Non Combat: 146 destroyed, 35 disabled
Engineers: 33 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (14 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 10 (9 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 7

Allied ground losses:
184 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 26 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Sub attack near Haiphong at 69,58

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 28, 44
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Japanese Ships
xAKL Yamabuki Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
SC CHa-5
xAKL Hakuyo Maru
xAKL Buyo Maru
xAKL Unyo Maru
xAKL Miyati Maru
PB Yahada Maru
PB Ogashima

Allied Ships
SS Sablefish

SS Sablefish launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Yamabuki Maru
Sablefish bottoming out ....
PB Yahada Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Reinforcements:

LST T-155 arrives at Hirosaki/Aomori
E No.53 arrives at Tokyo
13th RF Gun (Pack) Battalion arrives at Tokyo
45th Field AA Battalion arrives at Tokyo
53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade arrives at Tokyo

Losses:

Loss of E W-14 on Nov 27, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAK Gokoku Maru #2 on Nov 27, 1944 is admitted
Loss of APD T-2 on Nov 27, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LST T-106 on Nov 27, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LST T-107 on Nov 27, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LST T-108 on Nov 27, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LST T-109 on Nov 27, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LST T-112 on Nov 27, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAKL Yamabuki Maru on Nov 28, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of SS Trepang incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
SS Sturgeon is reported to have been sunk near Talaud-eilanden on Jul 09, 1944
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Maybe these ships are over-poered, but they certainly don't dominate, and I lose about a 1:1 ratio of E to subs in this part of the war. They all come in with low experience and poor captains, so to make them 'super' at least some PPs are needed and probably quite a bit of experience. Most don't' last that long with the US subs these days.
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/29/2013 10:22:43 PM

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Damn. Randy can sweep at 44k.
together with Ki-84r and later with Ki-83 that could generate good sweep results

That is the hope!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 9/30/2013 11:53:58 AM

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I think that units in reserve mode getting a free pass on being able to continue moving in move mode by avoiding getting knocked into combat mode by bombing is a bug that should be reported so it can be fixed.

Not quite as sure about the AA abilities of units in reserve though, it seems to me that reserve status shouldn't be a hindrance to that so what you were seeing there seems reasonable to me. Reserve shouldn't mean they have unmanned and packed their AA guns away like strategic mode should.

It's not a free pass really. In fact according to the manual reserve mode can have some severe drawbacks if other units are in the hex. You don't want to leave all units in reserve if there is the likelihood of an attack on the ground.

I'm not at all sure what should or shouldn't be available to units in a reserve mode. Seems like they should have quick movement, and I can't really see why they should be popped into combat mode simply because they were attacked from the air.

In Reserve to me means ready and waiting to deploy into combat (at this scale) with a one hour alert and in position after 4 hours.

Which does imply quick movement, therefore similar to Move mode... I'm on the fence about it. It seems like it was maybe an oversight. Because as it is, you're basically in Move+ mode: never get knocked into Combat unless there's an attack with odds > 2:1; immune to ground bombard; recover fatigue/disruption faster than if you were in Move; but still get knocked into Combat from aerial bombardment and still suffer a penalty if attacked... Idunno, I'd have to sandbox it with all possibilities to see if there were different degrees of penalty in Move vs. Reserve.

The movement executed by units in reserve is exploitation movement pursuing a retreating enemy. If the player is placing units in reserve and then assigning them a destination hex, in order to move them out of the hex, this seems to violate the spirit of what reserve is. It's supposed to be used to hold units back from combat either for the purpose of reinforcing the battle if it is going poorly or for the purpose of exploiting a retreat with follow on movement. Using reserve mode to move to another hex with special immunities seems to me to be an exploitation of the fact that the game engine fails to disable the destination hex choice for units in reserve.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/2/2013 12:32:57 PM

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Erik,

What's up? Missing your updates!

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/2/2013 1:57:58 PM

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I believe I read that he is vacationing in Iceland and somewhat out of touch.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/5/2013 1:56:08 PM

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Hi all, sorry for the radio silence. While it's not really vacationing when traveling with 17 HS students, it was a good trip. I managed to do a few turns but didn't have time to get to the reports. I'll catch up in the next few days.

Here is the highlight for me of the few days up there; the northern lights on a level 5 activity night, which meant even with some clouds the action was sporadically intense and lively. One of the most amazing things I've seen.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/5/2013 5:56:05 PM

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28 - 30 November 1944
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SUBS: The sub war intensifies as the Allies continue to put a dense pattern of fleet subs in the South China sea. A few are hit and damaged, but not severely. We lose an E, an SC and an xAKL. The Allies lose an AM near Borneo.

DEI: Units continue to move out of the Southern region toward Singapore and our main transition base at Saigon. Lots of fragments to reunite and this is where it's usually done. No big Allied moves, but this is giving me time to get most of the units at Koepang and Roti moved back by air. After this the main fleet of Tabbys will move back, around through China, and to the Home Islands. It's time to begin using them to fly units to General defense bases nearby.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: This area is vulnerable now. The Allies are moving armor into the Thai plains and it'll be a quick dash across to try to cut us off if they want it. I'll keep trying to bomb and so far it looks like we're getting decent results (for Japan) in hitting and disabling tanks at least. Probably the best way to do this against tanks I can't hit with much on the ground.

THAILAND: The Allies continue to bomb troops and every few days somehow the AA units get supply and really hit the bombers hard. I'm not sure if this is being allocated from other units or somehow trickling in some other way.

The stack is making slow progress, in combat mode, and will keep heading NE until the option is closed or something else opens up.

CENTRAL PACFIC: A fighter build-up shows something is about to happen in the Marianas. I'm putting fighters on CAP everywhere in the Home Islands and I'll start watching carefully for rises in detection. Bombing could start at any moment. Lots of fleet units that are vulnerable right now in repair yards too.

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Sub attack near Haiphong at 69,58

Japanese Ships
xAKL Yamabuki Maru, Torpedo hits 2, heavy damage
SC CHa-5
xAKL Hakuyo Maru
xAKL Buyo Maru
xAKL Unyo Maru
xAKL Miyati Maru
PB Yahada Maru
PB Ogashima

Allied Ships
SS Sablefish

SS Sablefish launches 2 torpedoes at xAKL Yamabuki Maru
Sablefish bottoming out ....
PB Yahada Maru fails to find sub and abandons search
PB Ogashima fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on 21st Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 78 NM, estimated altitude 20,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 22 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 15
Liberator GR.VI x 4
Wellington B.X x 12
B-24D1 Liberator x 18
B-24J Liberator x 53
B-25C Mitchell x 15
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9
B-25H Mitchell x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 16
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 11

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
59 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
11 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR November 29, 44
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Sub attack near Samah at 71,64

Japanese Ships
E Hiburi
E Uji
E Hashidate
AV Manila Maru
TK Itukusima Maru
TK Gen'yo Maru
TK Akebono Maru
E Shirakami
E W-30

Allied Ships
SS Spot, hits 4

SS Spot launches 2 torpedoes at E Hiburi
E Shirakami fails to find sub and abandons search
E W-30 fails to find sub, continues to search...
E W-30 attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 18
Wellington B.X x 3
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 71
B-25C Mitchell x 6
B-25D1 Mitchell x 15
B-25H Mitchell x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 10
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 15

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
158 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Samah at 73,69

Japanese Ships
E No.46
E No.10
E No.34

Allied Ships
SS Croaker, hits 4

SS Croaker launches 4 torpedoes at E No.46
Croaker diving deep ....
E No.46 fails to find sub and abandons search
E No.34 attacking submerged sub ....
E No.34 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Batan Island at 85,69

Japanese Ships
E No.17, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
SC Ch 54

Allied Ships
SS Pogy

SS Pogy launches 2 torpedoes at E No.17
Pogy diving deep ....
SC Ch 54 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Batan Island at 85,69

Japanese Ships
SC CHa-24, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
xAKL Jinsan Maru

Allied Ships
SS Pogy

SS Pogy launches 2 torpedoes at SC CHa-24
Pogy diving deep ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Night Air attack on Makassar , at 65,106

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
LB-117, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

Port hits 1
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet
Port Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Donggala at 70,96

Japanese Ships
SS I-124, hits 1

Allied Ships
AM Glenelg

SS I-124 launches 2 torpedoes
I-124 diving deep ....
AM Glenelg fails to find sub, continues to search...
AM Glenelg attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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ASW attack near Samah at 72,67

Japanese Ships
E Daito

Allied Ships
SS Sea Poacher, hits 2

SS Sea Poacher is located by E Daito
Sea Poacher diving deep ....
E Daito fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Daito attacking submerged sub ....
E Daito fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 59,61 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 13 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 25
N1K1-J George x 72

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
36 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
6 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb
16 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 59,61 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 25 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 29
J2M3 Jack x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 59,61 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 44 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 49
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 3
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 50

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
14 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
20 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

Also attacking 11th PAVO Regiment ...
Also attacking 150th RAC Regiment ...

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 59,61 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 6,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 56

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 59,61 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 36 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-49-IIb Helen x 13

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x Ki-49-IIb Helen bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 4 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 6
Liberator B.VI x 21
Liberator GR.VI x 3
Wellington B.X x 23
B-24J Liberator x 6
B-17F Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 4
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 119
B-25C Mitchell x 16
B-25D1 Mitchell x 6
B-25H Mitchell x 36
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 12
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 28

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 2 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 3 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 damaged
Wellington B.X: 8 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 4 damaged
B-17F Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 6 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 25 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed by flak
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 4 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 2 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese ground losses:
338 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 39th Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 24 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 6
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24J Liberator x 22
B-25D1 Mitchell x 6
B-25H Mitchell x 9
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 4

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 5 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 1 destroyed by flak
B-24J Liberator: 9 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 destroyed by flak
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 2 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Donggala at 70,96

Japanese Ships
SS I-124

Allied Ships
AM Glenelg, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage

SS I-124 launches 2 torpedoes
I-124 diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection

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Reinforcements: All of these ground forces are heading to either Okinawa or Formosa.

45th Field AA Battalion arrives at Tokyo
53rd Ind.Mixed Brigade arrives at Tokyo
DD Tsubaki arrives at Nagasaki/Sasebo
4th Medium Mortar Battalion arrives at Tokyo
5th Medium Mortar Battalion arrives at Tokyo
23rd RF Gun Battalion arrives at Wakayama
25th RF Gun Battalion arrives at Wakayama
26th RF Gun Battalion arrives at Kofu
6th Medium Mortar Battalion arrives at Tokyo
7th Medium Mortar Battalion arrives at Tokyo
4th JAAF Base Force arrives at Tokyo
11th JAAF Base Force arrives at Tokyo
9th Ind.Mixed Regiment arrives at Tokyo
33rd JNAF AF Unit arrives at Toky
ML G-432 arrives at Yokohama/Yokosukao

Losses:

Loss of E No.17 on Nov 29, 1944 is admitted
Loss of xAKL Yamabuki Maru on Nov 28, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LB-118 on Nov 30, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LB-120 on Nov 30, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LB-121 on Nov 30, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LB-122 on Nov 30, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LB-123 on Nov 30, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SC CHa-24 on Nov 30, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of DD Remey incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
Previous report of sinking of SS Jallao incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
AM Glenelg is reported to have been sunk near Donggala on Nov 30, 1944
SC PC-597 is reported to have been sunk near Manado on Sep 09, 1944
PF Coronado is reported to have been sunk near Manado on Sep 09, 1944
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Emilys continue to fly units out all over the board. The range and size of these planes make them incredibly useful for this, and in spite of updating to the newest beta fixing the LR CAP I have only lost a few in this kind of role. Much more dangerous to fly them on search missions, so I use the FP for search in heavily CAPed Allied controlled areas.
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/7/2013 3:25:24 PM

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1 - 2 December 1944
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Some good, lots of bad. That's the state of things these days.

SUBS: Well, this wasn't in the plans. The Allies hit Naha with ALL available B-29s and sunk 2/3 of the IJN sub fleet!

Every sub in port was sunk plus the one AG there. Good shooting, huh?

I've been using this base to rotate out spent fighters from Manila and get them up and running again. Jocke picked a good day in between, but honestly 50 fighters wouldn't have stopped 100 B-29s anyway. It's just my bad for leaving these subs too far forward. Hard to get used to the idea that any port is in range. Now things will be harder and air power will be even more paramount.

A few Allied subs take hard hits, but scoring 1-21 isn't going to hold him off.

THAILAND: The good part is that the Allies attack and get mauled in +3 terrain against the remnants of the Burma Army. I'm not even sure how these troops still have supply, but this is very welcome. Makes up a bit on the VP front for losing 200+ for sub losses. The Allies lose a good number of squads outright and 1200+ disabled!!

This won't change a lot, but it should be harder to separate and get more fronts opened with 1500 AV taken right off the top of Allied power. I like that. Stall it baby! It's all about time now.

The Allies hit Ayuthia with a full weight of 4Es. I had a decent CAP up but they are swept aside by the 42k P-47s. It's all altitude in the air war and the P-47s have ruled this for over a year. They'll keep ruling as long as he has some. Now though I can at least have an offensive threat with the Frank 'r' and this will change how the air war goes for the next while. My sweeps will take off little bits at a time. I'm getting a much better air loss ratio these days as well. Once the Ki-83 and Randy 'a' add to this mix sweeping high, we should be able to consistently hit the Allies as they have to protect what they're bringing while on the attack. I like this kind of defense much better than the past year. Dodge and weave, jab, jab jab, with only an occasional right hook.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: Chinese coastal areas are now getting beefed up and are ready to take on whatever comes. These are some experienced troops here too, so it won't be easy if Jocke decides to come this way.

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ASW attack near Iba at 75,71

Japanese Ships
E Manju
E Shonan
E Iki

Allied Ships
SS Blower, hits 7, heavy damage

SS Blower is located by E Manju
Blower diving deep ....
E Iki attacking submerged sub ....
E Shonan fails to find sub and abandons search
E Iki fails to find sub, continues to search...
E Iki attacking submerged sub ....
E Iki is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on NCAC , at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 30 NM, estimated altitude 40,270 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-84r Frank x 44

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 95
P-38L Lightning x 52
P-51B Mustang x 67
F4U-1A Corsair x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84r Frank: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Spitfire VIII: 1 destroyed
P-38L Lightning: 7 destroyed
P-51B Mustang: 2 destroyed
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 18th Cavalry Regiment, at 59,60 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 36
N1K2-J George x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
D4Y1 Judy: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (1 destroyed, 10 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 4
Liberator B.VI x 34
Liberator GR.VI x 10
Spitfire VIII x 53
Wellington B.X x 9
B-24J Liberator x 10
B-17F Fortress x 4
B-24D Liberator x 3
B-24D1 Liberator x 12
B-24J Liberator x 124
B-25C Mitchell x 6
B-25D1 Mitchell x 9
B-25H Mitchell x 29
P-38L Lightning x 35
P-51B Mustang x 11
F4U-1A Corsair x 13
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 16
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 13

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 9 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 21 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 8 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
453 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 78 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 33rd Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 58
Wellington B.X x 3
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 7
B-24J Liberator x 3
B-25H Mitchell x 3
P-38L Lightning x 13
P-51B Mustang x 6
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 14

Allied aircraft losses
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Naha , at 95,66

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 79 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 83

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged

Japanese Ships
SS I-11, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS I-48, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS I-9, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS RO-47, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS RO-66, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS RO-56, Bomb hits 3, heavy damage
SS I-45, Bomb hits 4, and is sunk
SS I-19, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
SS RO-46, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS RO-36, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS RO-107, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS RO-109, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS RO-55, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage
SS RO-42, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS I-47, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS RO-45, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS I-37, Bomb hits 3, heavy damage
SS I-173, Bomb hits 1
AG Kiyoshima Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
SS RO-48, Bomb hits 1
SS I-164, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage

Repair Shipyard hits 2
Port hits 14
Port fuel hits 3
Port supply hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Naha , at 95,66

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 19 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 12

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
SS I-164, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS I-19, Bomb hits 1, heavy damage
SS I-39, Bomb hits 2, heavy damage

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Naha , at 95,66

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 52 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 16 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 13

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 4 damaged
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
SS RO-48, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS I-173, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS RO-45, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk
SS RO-55, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS I-39, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
SS RO-49, Bomb hits 3, and is sunk
SS RO-56, and is sunk

Port hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 10000 feet *
Port Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb
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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 42,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 36
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 47

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 4 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 47,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 21
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 30

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 10
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 9

Allied aircraft
Thunderbolt I x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Thunderbolt I: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x Thunderbolt I sweeping at 42000 feet

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Morning Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 59,60 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 10 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 9 (3 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
16 x D4Y1 Judy releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 33 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 6
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 7

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-51D Mustang sweeping at 31000 feet

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Afternoon Air attack on 12th Field AF Construction Battalion, at 56,61 (Ayuthia)

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 72 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 24 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 4
Liberator B.VI x 17
Liberator GR.VI x 9
Wellington B.X x 6
B-24J Liberator x 7
B-17F Fortress x 4
B-24J Liberator x 15
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 20

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 3 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 damaged
Wellington B.X: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 3 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
555 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 11 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 10 (1 destroyed, 9 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
7 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 10000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Batan Island at 85,69

Japanese Ships
SC Ch 54

Allied Ships
SS Pogy, hits 2

Captain of SS Pogy elects not to launch torpedoes at this target
SC Ch 54 attacking submerged sub ....
SC Ch 54 fails to find sub, continues to search...
SC Ch 54 attacking submerged sub ....
SC Ch 54 is out of ASW ammo
Escort abandons search for sub

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Ground combat at 55,59 (near Tavoy)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 153662 troops, 2417 guns, 1332 vehicles, Assault Value = 5877

Defending force 198108 troops, 2490 guns, 3043 vehicles, Assault Value = 6243

Allied adjusted assault: 1992

Japanese adjusted defense: 12880

Allied assault odds: 1 to 6

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
6511 casualties reported
Squads: 35 destroyed, 468 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 216 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 69 disabled
Guns lost 194 (11 destroyed, 183 disabled)
Vehicles lost 163 (15 destroyed, 148 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
11198 casualties reported
Squads: 233 destroyed, 1275 disabled
Non Combat: 193 destroyed, 91 disabled
Engineers: 49 destroyed, 142 disabled
Guns lost 132 (56 destroyed, 76 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled)

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Reinforcements:

APD T-13 arrives at Hiroshima/Kure
454th Ind.Infantry Battalion arrives at Tokyo
50th Ind.Mixed Brigade arrives at Tokyo
17th Ind.Mixed Regiment arrives at Tokyo

Losses:

Loss of SS I-9 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-11 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-19 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-37 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-39 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-45 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-47 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-48 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-164 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS I-173 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-36 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-42 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-45 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-46 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-47 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-48 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-49 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-55 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-66 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-56 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-107 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SS RO-109 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LB-166 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LB-516 on Dec 01, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

Previous report of sinking of SS Telemachus incorrect. Intelligence reports ship is still in service
DMS Howard is reported to have been sunk near Biak on Jun 01, 1944
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/7/2013 4:55:09 PM

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LATE WAR AAR
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MILESTONES: We've played three years in game!!

(The AAR is slightly behind the game, but I hope to catch up tomorrow).

This is a feat in itself and I'm thankful I found an opponent who could get through to this point with some interest and still be looking forward to grinding my forces to a pulp. He's a tough SOB and has gotten continually better throughout the game. I look forward to the next few months, and I'll keep trying to cause a few more problems as he tries to move forward.

ATTITUDE: There are not many late war AARs for the Japanese side. I'd like to make this one of the ones that continues, although I can see why it's so hard for many games and AARs to keep going. Everything I do these days feels like a mistake because no matter what happens the Allies can take advantage of it in some way. When days like yesterday happen, losing a mass of very important stuff, it's hard to keep it going, step up and write about the choices made and the consequences faced. It takes a certain attitude, and I'm just coming to grips with what's needed.

I complained a bit too much in the last few months and I think it affected not only my relationship with my opponent but the quality of my play. I've now made some choices and I hope I can keep this perserverent attitude through the rest of the game as well as a healthy communication and a mutual respect for each other. It is a game, and the fun is in trying to give him a run for his money all the way through as well as achieving some of the goals I set out for myself in game.

GOALS: The goal has always been to get deep into 45. I have to redefine this a bit now. My mistake in getting a massive army corralled in Thailand will have lasting repercussions for the rest of the game. I can occupy some portion of the Allied army in making sure this does not break out and get back into the mix, but this won't take the entire force he's built in the area. Still, the Allies can land closer to the Home Islands with as much force as they need to take virtually any base, so this loss may not change much and I can even find some positives in it now. So here are some small goals I can work toward over the next months.

1. OIL/FUEL

My original goal involves continuing to ship oil/fuel through December. It's not enough, but nothing is enough for the Japanese in this game. With the recent mistakes in my play and good play on Jocke's part to catch up to historical timetables I will be really pleased if I can still ship one big convoy on December 31 from Singers to the North. I've got the KB in range to make a fuss if the Allies try any quick dashes across to cut off the oil earlier, and if I can hold the Indochina area for the next three weeks I could make this target. Anything after would be icing.

2. DEFENSE

Geting the remaining free forces to bases around the HI to make any new Allied invasion at least difficult is a continuing project. The targets I see are as follows:

The Bonins - well defended already and with the small island size, less easy to invade. I'd welcome the extended campaign and uncertain outcome an invasion here would entail.

The Kuriles and Sakhalin - some good defenses and forts, and by the spring they should be even more well stocked.

Okinawa - Needs two more divisions, but I have some allocated and should be able to get 1k AV behind level 6-7 forts in each base here with a good mix of support troops.

Formosa - Already there are 2k AV here with a good mix of support, and another 1k AV is sailing now. If I can get 4-5k AV with arty and a ton of engineers here, get all bases above level 6, then it will be a tough take even though many hexes are in the clear.

Hokkaido - This wil be filled with restricted troops flown in once some of the new ones arrive. I can fly anything that is general defense. There is 2k AV here now already and forts are built.

3. ATTRITION

With the new fighters filling out groups I can sweep and LR CAP again in ways I haven't done for several years of game time. This is getting fun, and adds a dynamism and unpredictability to the conflict. Jocke can no longer simply load up sweeps and bombing runs without consequences. He too has to play with some deception and trickery. It'll be fun going forward if I can keep things in order and hold on to some fighting capability for a while yet.

4. PROTECTION

The Home Islands will be targeted soon. I am preparing, but the house is not fully in order. I need to still allocate AA to some important bases, get more fighter units up and I'm still building forts in many places. Ports are particularly vulnerable now as there are not many that allow the kind of protection that could hurt Allied bombing runs. Hiroshima/Kure and Yokohama are the top two AA bases in the HI and I will begin to get most ships into those. I don't want to over load completely though, so some ships will be spread out around the HI. I'll also keep some docked in larger ports which will be more difficult to hit. Tokyo and Osaka are so important for HI/LI, and they will be heavily protected as well.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/7/2013 5:23:39 PM

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SUBS: Jocke's subs take more of a toll, hitting a Tonan oiler (only the second lost in the war) and sinking her. He also hits an xAK.

Jocke seems to be testing my mine defenses with subs. He gets one nailed at Saigon, but gets away easy at Bataan. I have more mines on the way here. Mines will be allocated to big bases and possible targets in the next few weeks. I should get a few subs this way too.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: Massive air strikes by B-29s crush the base at Saigon. He does lose about 10-12 on the day, and since he's using his best strategic weapon in a tactical role I can't really complain. I'd rather lose 60 planes on the ground than 60 factory points in the HI. This curtails some bombing activity agains the armor rolling across the Thai plains, but a lot is still hit by the DBs coming from Bangkok.

THAILAND: Big sweeps hit both Nakhon and Auyuthia, and we got some good results in defense. A ton of P-47s lost on the day, and he only gets about 2:1 in sweeps which is really great of the Japanese against here beasts. Nice to see they are vulnerable. I think I've figured some things out. Took a few years, but the layering and placement of CAP has been much better in the past few months, and I think his fighter pools 'should' be showing that. All of the best Allied fighters had significant losses today, and mostly over our territory. The Japanese lose few pilots.

Allied troops are showing an inclination to cross and take Ayuthia. I've moved in a big Japanese army, so we'll see if he keeps going. Tanks take Nakhon after the final air strikes completely wipe out the ground forces here.

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 3, 44
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TF 475 encounters mine field at Saigon (60,71)

Allied Ships
SS Harder, Mine hits 1, on fire

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Sub attack near Kiungshan at 70,60

Japanese Ships
xAK Iwashiro Maru, Torpedo hits 1, on fire, heavy damage
xAK Kisogawa Maru
PB Shoei Maru

Allied Ships
SS Tinosa

SS Tinosa launches 4 torpedoes at xAK Iwashiro Maru
PB Shoei Maru attacking submerged sub ....
PB Shoei Maru fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Sub attack near Tourane at 69,68

Japanese Ships
TK Nisshin Maru #2, Torpedo hits 1, heavy fires

The second Tonan Oiler lost during the war.
SC Ch 23
SC Ch 22
SC Ch 19
TK Kyokuyo Maru
E W-17
PC Kaki

Allied Ships
SS Roncador

SS Roncador launches 4 torpedoes at TK Nisshin Maru #2
Roncador diving deep ....
E W-17 fails to find sub and abandons search
PC Kaki fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 39,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 35
Ki-84a Frank x 35
Ki-100-I Tony x 32

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 37000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 19 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 24
Ki-84a Frank x 33
Ki-100-I Tony x 20

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x P-51B Mustang sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 22
Ki-84a Frank x 28
Ki-100-I Tony x 14

Allied aircraft
P-51B Mustang x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51B Mustang: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-51B Mustang sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 21
Ki-84a Frank x 24
Ki-100-I Tony x 7

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 65

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-49-IIb Helen: 4 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 12 destroyed on ground
Ki-56 Thalia: 4 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 1 destroyed on ground
C6N1 Myrt: 1 destroyed on ground
B5N2 Kate: 1 destroyed on ground
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 11 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
12 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Airbase hits 33
Airbase supply hits 4
Runway hits 89

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 12
Ki-84a Frank x 20
Ki-100-I Tony x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 43

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 damaged
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-46-III Dinah: 1 destroyed on ground
C6N1 Myrt: 1 destroyed on ground
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed on ground
B7A2 Grace: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 2 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 9 damaged

Airbase hits 12
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 19

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Saigon , at 60,71

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-84a Frank x 12
Ki-100-I Tony x 4

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed, 4 damaged

Airbase hits 2
Runway hits 4

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 9000 feet
Airfield Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 34 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 21
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 44
Ki-84a Frank x 29
Ki-102b Randy x 29

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 9
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 43
Ki-84a Frank x 12
Ki-102b Randy x 26

Allied aircraft
P-51D Mustang x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 2 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-51D Mustang: 1 destroyed

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Afternoon Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 18 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y1 Judy x 37
D4Y4 Judy x 36
J2M3 Jack x 36
J2M5 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 5
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 49
Ki-84a Frank x 47
Ki-100-I Tony x 43

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
37 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 20 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 23 (7 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
8 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 2 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 0 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 27
J2M5 Jack x 9
N1K2-J George x 5
Ki-100-I Tony x 43
Ki-102a Randy x 8

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
19 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 12 (11 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
13 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 150th RAC Regiment, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 30
J2M5 Jack x 6
N1K2-J George x 3
Ki-84a Frank x 47
Ki-100-I Tony x 43

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
11 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 15 (11 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 1000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1020 troops, 6 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 77

Defending force 3582 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 121

Allied adjusted assault: 75

Japanese adjusted defense: 137

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), experience(-)
Attacker: leaders(+)

Japanese ground losses:
131 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
192nd Tank Battalion

Defending units:
8th Exped. Force

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Ground combat at 55,59 (near Tavoy)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5499 troops, 350 guns, 386 vehicles, Assault Value = 4754

Defending force 192090 troops, 2454 guns, 3024 vehicles, Assault Value = 5701

Japanese ground losses:
300 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 14 (3 destroyed, 11 disabled)

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR December 4, 44
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Sub attack near Bataan at 78,77

Japanese Ships
MGB G-889

Allied Ships
SS Mingo, hits 1

SS Mingo cannot acquire firing solution on enemy MGB
Mingo bottoming out ....
MGB G-889 fails to find sub, continues to search...
MGB G-889 attacking submerged sub ....
Escort abandons search for sub

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Morning Air attack on Mauban , at 80,78

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid spotted at 15 NM, estimated altitude 41,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-61-Id Tony x 28

Allied aircraft
F6F-5 Hellcat x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-61-Id Tony: 13 destroyed

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x F6F-5 Hellcat sweeping at 37000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Nakhon Ratchasima , at 58,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 19 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 34
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-100-I Tony x 13

Allied aircraft
F4U-1A Corsair x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 3 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 6 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 41 NM, estimated altitude 46,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 9
J2M3 Jack x 40
J2M5 Jack x 7
N1K1-J George x 44
N1K2-J George x 16
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 19
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 14
Ki-84a Frank x 54
Ki-84r Frank x 26
Ki-102a Randy x 4

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 42,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 7
J2M3 Jack x 31
J2M5 Jack x 5
N1K1-J George x 38
N1K2-J George x 15
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 16
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 37
Ki-84r Frank x 22
Ki-102a Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 4 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nakhon Ratchasima , at 58,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 20
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-100-I Tony x 10

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Nakhon Ratchasima , at 58,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 14
N1K2-J George x 4
Ki-100-I Tony x 7

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 11

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 42,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 3
J2M3 Jack x 24
J2M5 Jack x 5
N1K1-J George x 30
N1K2-J George x 10
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 14
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 23
Ki-84r Frank x 17
Ki-102a Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47D2 Thunderbolt x 24

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 3 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D2 Thunderbolt: 7 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 45,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 2
J2M3 Jack x 15
J2M5 Jack x 4
N1K1-J George x 28
N1K2-J George x 7
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 13
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 17
Ki-84r Frank x 14
Ki-102a Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 2 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Ayuthia , at 56,61

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 43,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 1
J2M3 Jack x 8
J2M5 Jack x 1
N1K1-J George x 20
N1K2-J George x 5
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 12
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 1
Ki-84a Frank x 13
Ki-84r Frank x 11
Ki-102a Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
P-47D25 Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 2 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47D25 Thunderbolt: 2 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 255th Indian Tank Brigade, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 10 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
D4Y4 Judy x 36
J2M5 Jack x 8
N1K2-J George x 5
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (2 destroyed, 8 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 255th Indian Tank Brigade, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 16 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 48
D4Y1 Judy x 36
J2M5 Jack x 7
N1K2-J George x 2

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 1 damaged

Allied ground losses:
39 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 13 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 21 (2 destroyed, 19 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 11th PAVO Regiment, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 14 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 44
J2M5 Jack x 5
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 24 (1 destroyed, 23 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on 254th Armoured Brigade, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 9,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 8
N1K2-J George x 2
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 55
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
27 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 13 (1 destroyed, 12 disabled)

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Morning Air attack on Nakhon Ratchasima , at 58,61

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 40 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 15 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 12
N1K2-J George x 2
Ki-100-I Tony x 6

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 19
F4U-1A Corsair x 71

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 2 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1A Corsair: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on 5th INA Regiment, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 37 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 31
Liberator GR.VI x 13
Wellington B.X x 17
B-17E Fortress x 5
B-24D Liberator x 10
B-24D1 Liberator x 10
B-24J Liberator x 90
B-25C Mitchell x 20
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 6

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 7 damaged
Liberator GR.VI: 1 damaged
Wellington B.X: 2 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 20 damaged
B-25C Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
1216 casualties reported
Squads: 21 destroyed, 60 disabled
Non Combat: 17 destroyed, 97 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 28 (7 destroyed, 21 disabled) UNIT COMPLETELY DESTROYED!!! (during the next waves of attack)

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 9000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Nakhon Ratchasima (58,61)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 6160 troops, 36 guns, 734 vehicles, Assault Value = 462

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 134

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 134 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Nakhon Ratchasima !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 13 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 3 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Assaulting units:
255th Indian Tank Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
150th RAC Regiment
11th PAVO Regiment

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Reinforcements: none.

Losses:

Loss of LB-142 on Dec 04, 1944 is admitted
Loss of LB-151 on Dec 04, 1944 is admitted
Loss of SSX Ha-46 on Dec 04, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk: none.
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So far this plane is only okay. not so great against Allies fighters, but I'm hoping the guns prove tough for the bombers at least.
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/8/2013 5:37:45 PM

obvert

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2nd Maneuver Band HR
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This has been an interesting day. Jocke sent a message asking whether I'd consider removing our 2nd best maneuver band HR. I'll just include the relevant points from his email below and my response. Lets just say what we remember is not always as clear as it seems.

This is a long message so I'll break the second part out into a new post.

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There has been a discussion in my AAR concerning our HR and the air war in general. Many people believe its a crappy HR and it messes things up regarding the air war. We both know that it does and when we talked about it in mid 43 we said to remove it once you got some AC with access to the highest MVR band.

I kind of understand you want to keep it in now since you can now mass produce a fighter with access to it and have gotten some good results with it. But personally I would like to remove it. We both have "enjoyed" the advantage about equal time and we both agree (at lest we did a while back) that its not a good HR basically making the aircraft not able to go up to the highest MVR band not able to live up to their true potential. This hurts the IJN and the USAAF equally hard. Both lacking a fighter with access to the highest MVR band.

I think its the most fair thing to do and I honestly believe it will not be more advantageous for one or the other side. We both dislike the HR and I would really like to see some more balanced results. Some airframes have really underperformed in our game and it would be cool to see the true potential of planes like the Shinden, P51 and Sams. With our current HR they will always have a secondary role behind the Franks and P47s.

I honestly believe removing the HR won�t be more advantageous for either side. I hope you belive I'm sincere when I�m saying that. That is my true belief. I have stated so in several places in my AAR. I can�t really explain why without giving away a little too much but take my word for it.

Cheers
J

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Hey Jocke,

It's interesting how we remember things vs how they really were! I've heard about the Tojo dominance for so long I began to believe it, at least until I looked through my AAR this afternoon. ;)

I'm sure everyone is saying how unfair this HR is to the Allies now that I can also get above some Allied planes. I get it, but I would argue it's been an entirely positive determining factor in Allied success up to this point. There was never a period of advantage from this HR for the Japanese. The HR has been instrumental to Allied dominance in the air through the past 18 months after the arrival of the P-47 for sure though, and that has changed the game completely. It will continue to benefit that plane throughout the game. I should have been the one asking for this to stop for years.

To be honest I have no idea what removing it would do to the game. That is the difficulty. Being completely objective I'd say it's been a huge advantage to the Allies in the middle game when it was most needed, and it kept me from most offensive sweeps for almost two years. Now I have some flexibility.

In 42 the Tojo arrived in August. Before that the A6M3 arrived in 6/42 with 31k ability, but all other Japanese planes before that were only 20k capable at best. The advantages of the early war fighters is maneuver and this is the weakness of both the P-40 and the P-39. Even given a higher altitude the Japanese fighters have 2-3x maneuver advantage.

The Hurri IIc was already in the game as of 6/42 so there was never a period of time when the Japanese (or the Tojo) could sweep over everything. The P-40K also arrived the next month and it gets to 31k with similar speed to the Tojo. The Corsair arrived in 1/43 with much better speed and 31k. Lets not forget the Hellcat arrived in 4/43 with the 31k+ altitude band as well, effectively starting the period when this HR was extremely positive to the Allies.

The great majority of P-40E losses appear to me to have been during escort missions when LR CAP was not present.

It's very instructive to look back through some of late 42-43 in my AAR. The Tojo dominance was minimal and incredibly isolated, and in fact by the time I had enough to sweep much the Brits had plenty of Hurri IIc and the US had a good number of P-40k. In fact the Tojo only did well when I had more numbers (very seldom actually), not because it was a better performer, especially not the Tojo IIa without armor and with weak armament.

I invite you to look into the first year of my AAR to see what was really going on then. It was pretty fun and neither of us knew what we know now. (Please look only up through January 43 for now, and I'll open the rest up as we go, just because I haven't looked to see if there are any pieces of sensitive information there after that point).

Direct links to air battles in 42-43 involving the Tojo. Some are defensive, others are sweeps. Very few sweeps were made by the end of January 43 that involved Tojos, and many included Zeros and Oscars in the mix.

I include here some Allied sweeps as well that involve the Tojo in defense. Many of these include Allied fighters set below their highest allowed altitude (coming in at 29k to a CAP at 31k), likely causing their marginal performance. These are ALL of the Tojo actions in Burma during this period. Seems to be pretty even to me overall, and there is never an action including planes where the 2nd best maneuver band HR lets one dive from higher than the defense is capable of going.

It's interesting to note that by the end of october 42 only 2 of 15 Japanese aces were IJAAF pilots.

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1 september 42

Burma: A combined sweep of Hurri IIc and P-40E hit Katha today. The Oscar/Tojo combo worked wonders today and I'm trying to figure out which thing did the trick. I set the groups to 0 hex CAP. A radar equipped base force arrived two days ago. The CAP was layered with 12 Tojos on 50% at 31k and 42 Oscars on 50% at 15k.

For the day we shot down 7 Hurri IIc and 18 P-40E with NO LOSSES!!! I have to wonder if he neglected to pick a good group leader or the groups had low moral or some other setting on that side. The Oscars did most of the damage as well. So I guess there is hope in Burma, for now.

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5 september 42

Burma: Not sure what happened here, but the first big Tojo sweep in Burma is a bust. There were thunderstorms, so maybe that was it. 10 Tojos down total for 6 Hurris.

Then to add insult to injury B-17s came into Rangoon and hit the base before our bombers could take off. 5 lost on the ground. Grrrr.

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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 32
Hurricane IIc Trop x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

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7 october 42

Burma: I also tried a Tojo sweep of Chittagong today that turned out poorly. Or at least only achieved parity. Losses were even here after ops were accounted for.

What I don't understand is that even though the CAP came up slowly, and numbers were always in our favor, we couldn't take advantage and get kills. The pilots are good, the planes are good. They did get a good radar warning, but the numbers were never in favor of the defense.

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Morning Air attack on Chittagong , at 55,41

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 112 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 84

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 32
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 4 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
42 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet
27 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 30000 feet *

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16 october 42

Burma: I set up a massive sweep plan for Akyab, where at least two groups of Hurris have ben hanging out. Or out on a limb. Seems a bad place to keep them, so the sweeps were intended to be followed by a raid of 90 Helens. These did not fly due to weather, presumably.

The sweeps just about cleaned up on their own. I think I've figured something out here. Our fighters achieved 3 to 1 results, knocking down 22 Hurris in A to A and ops during the day.

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 33
A6M3a Zero x 30
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 36

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 8 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
30 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet
16 x A6M3 Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.135 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 8 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 24000 and 32000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 8 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 36000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 74

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 5

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
36 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet
38 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
No.136 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 27000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
No.135 Sqn RAF with Hurricane IIb Trop (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters to 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes

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17 october 42

Burma: Jocke moved the kitchen sink into Akyab today to make sure he dealt roughly with any more sweeping actions. Well, in an unexpected turn Tojos and A6M3 and 3a took it to the Allied planes for a second day in a row. Even the Lightnings suffered and were not very effective.

In total the Allies lost a bunch of planes again. See below. Of special note are the 9 Lightnings lost. Banzai!

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 31
A6M3a Zero x 29

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 25
P-38F Lightning x 24
P-40E Warhawk x 25
P-40K Warhawk x 47

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet
11 x A6M3 Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
49th FG/7th FS with P-38E Lightning (0 airborne, 9 on standby, 12 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 32000. [No maneuver band advantage]
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 7 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters to 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
49th FG/9th FS with P-38F Lightning (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 12 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
51st FG/25th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 7 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters between 28000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 7 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 74

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 22
P-38F Lightning x 21
P-40E Warhawk x 16
P-40K Warhawk x 38

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38E Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-38F Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 4 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
29 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet
23 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
49th FG/7th FS with P-38E Lightning (0 airborne, 1 on standby, 4 scrambling)
17 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 29000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 26 minutes
49th FG/8th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 7 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters between 29000 and 32000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
49th FG/9th FS with P-38F Lightning (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 4 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 29000 and 35750.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 40 minutes
51st FG/25th FS with P-40K Warhawk (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 29000 , scrambling fighters between 29000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 51 minutes
23rd FG/74th FS with P-40E Warhawk (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 4 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 27000 and 29000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 43 minutes

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28 october 42

Burma: I sent major sweeps over Akyab today. He's basing about 160 fighters here. Seems to many not to be on a rail line. The 3 CA hanging out at Port Blair will begin a bombardment run also.

On the day the Allies lost about 39 planes, and we lost about 28. Not bad. but most of his pilots are probably safe and sound.

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 16 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 32
Hurricane IIc Trop x 96
P-40E Warhawk x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
35 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 10 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 26
Hurricane IIc Trop x 94
P-40E Warhawk x 18

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Aircraft Attacking:
1 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 5
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 51

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 24
Hurricane IIc Trop x 86
P-40E Warhawk x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 39 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 17
A6M3a Zero x 45
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 15

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 20
Hurricane IIc Trop x 80
P-40E Warhawk x 10

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M3 Zero: 3 destroyed
A6M3a Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 1 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 4 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
27 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet
8 x A6M3 Zero sweeping at 31000 feet
11 x A6M3a Zero sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 27
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 21

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIb Trop x 14
Hurricane IIc Trop x 58
P-40E Warhawk x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-45 KAIa Nick: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIb Trop: 2 destroyed
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 destroyed
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-45 KAIa Nick sweeping at 31000 feet *
7 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/8/2013 5:41:09 PM

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Here is the second part:

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2 november 42

Burma: I threw everything I had at Akyab today, thinking that the moral of the groups there might be very low. Surprisingly they did well, and although for the day it looked like we came out just slightly ahead, this was no massacre. The Allies are getting steadily better in the air.

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 48 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 41

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 63
P-40K Warhawk x 56

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 7 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 50
P-40K Warhawk x 42

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 4 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet *

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 15 NM, estimated altitude 24,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 28

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 25
P-40K Warhawk x 32

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 6 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x Ki-43-Ic Oscar sweeping at 20000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 12 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 3 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 25

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 19
P-40K Warhawk x 23

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Akyab , at 54,45

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 31 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M3 Zero x 2
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 48

Allied aircraft
P-40E Warhawk x 12
P-40K Warhawk x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40E Warhawk: 2 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet
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8 november 42

Burma: A raid came into Katha today. There are only 12 Tojo and some AA there. Oscars were vectored in a and really helped out though, giving even loss numbers for the day. I thikn we can absorb these losses better for another 6 months or so, so more of these small attacks are great, especially over our territory. Only 3 pilots KIA.

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Morning Air attack on Katha , at 61,43

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid detected at 18 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 13
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 12

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
4 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet [Allied sweeps]

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26 november 42

Burma: The Allies hit Magwe with P-40K sweeps. They did't do so well.

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Morning Air attack on Magwe , at 57,47

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 1
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 44

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 49

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 9 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 29000 feet [Allied sweeps - too low]

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2 december 42

Burma: On December 2nd I sent sweeps over Imphal and bombed the oil at Ledo. I won't be taking it so I thought I might as well see if I could take it away from the Allies as well. Results were not bad, and at least the bombers flew this time. After the replay the Oil shows it lost 25 points to those 7 hits. Kunming was the launch point.

The sweeps were about even against determined a few groups of Hurri IIc.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Dec 02, 42
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Morning Air attack on Imphal , at 60,40

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 37 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 46

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
28 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

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Morning Air attack on Imphal , at 60,40

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 21 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 23

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
Hurricane IIc Trop: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x Ki-44-IIa Tojo sweeping at 31000 feet

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14 december 42

INFO SCREEN

air losses:

Allies - 3374
Japanese - 4080

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22 january 43

Burma: On the 22nd Tojos proved they are not invincible. I lost 9 going in for sweeps ahead of the bombers, but at least that kept the CAP high and they couldn't get to the Helens before they had completed their mission.

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Morning Air attack on Eastern Army, at 60,42 , near Kalemyo

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 20 NM, estimated altitude 32,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 20

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 16
P-38F Lightning x 18
P-38G Lightning x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 3 destroyed

No Allied losses

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Morning Air attack on Eastern Army, at 60,42 , near Kalemyo

Weather in hex: Light cloud

Raid detected at 74 NM, estimated altitude 36,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 20 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 23

Allied aircraft
Hurricane IIc Trop x 14
P-38F Lightning x 18
P-38G Lightning x 15

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed

No Allied losses
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28 january 43

Burma: A big raid cam into Katha and although the CAP didn't do badly, it didn't get to many of the bombers or wipe the escorts clean as in previous encounters. There are just not enough groups up this way to mutually support. Two more Tojo groups are on the way from China. I'll post them in Myitkyina and Schwebo.

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Afternoon Air attack on Katha , at 61,43

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 8,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-43-Ic Oscar x 27
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 42

Allied aircraft
P-38E Lightning x 17
P-38F Lightning x 18
P-40K Warhawk x 50

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-43-Ic Oscar: 3 destroyed
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38F Lightning: 2 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 2 destroyed

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29 january 43

Burma: At Myitkyina on the 29th P-40Ks skewer a brand new Tojo group brought in to support North Burma. At first I thought they were at bomber interception CAP level and got nailed, but they were actually at 31k. Might just be a new group and raw pilots, all around 50/70 but no kills and no high exp pilot to lead. I'll put that in today.

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Morning Air attack on Myitkyina , at 64,42

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid spotted at 43 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-44-IIa Tojo x 40

Allied aircraft
P-40K Warhawk x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIa Tojo: 5 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed

CAP engaged:
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIa Tojo (0 airborne, 11 on standby, 24 scrambling)
11 plane(s) intercepting now.
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters to 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 16 minutes

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/8/2013 5:51:22 PM

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2nd Best Maneuver Band HR (continued)
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So knowing all of this I realize I've been the one struggling under an unfair HR without ever having had the untouchable dive from a higher maneuver band. All of this time I was getting 1:10-15 results against Allied sweeps going from 42k I had been convinced that it was somehow 'fair' since I'd had the period of advantage as well. It's just not true.

Now that several late war Japanese planes do get over 31k maybe I'll be able to have some very small caveat to the massive Allied material and qualitative advantage during this period.

PS - I also think it's odd that Jocke is suddenly so interested in removing the HR when he wasn't that excited in mid-43 with the only plane(s)to be able to take advantage of it, the P-47 (and the Hellcat). I just re-read his email and he claims we agreed to removing it once the Japanese had a plane that could reach above 31k, which simply is not true.

He says,"To summarize a bit I take it by your answer you are no longer interested in removing the HR? I can�t make you but I think its a missed opportunity in properly seeing the late war air model at work ... I think its the most fair thing to do and I honestly believe it will not be more advantageous for one or the other side. We both dislike the HR and I would really like to see some more balanced results."

In other words 'Lets see how well sweeps work with both P-51s and P-47s diving from 40k.' I have to laugh. What we've been seeing since the Frank 'r' arrived is 'some more balanced results.'

He'll continue to win the air war, but I'm guessing this is timed more due to the sudden decrease in P-47 numbers (~100 lost in the past week) and the rather distant date of the next model coming online in 3/45.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/8/2013 7:17:30 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: obvert

2nd Best Maneuver Band HR (continued)
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So knowing all of this I realize I've been the one struggling under an unfair HR without ever having had the untouchable dive from a higher maneuver band. All of this time I was getting 1:10-15 results against Allied sweeps going from 42k I had been convinced that it was somehow 'fair' since I'd had the period of advantage as well. It's just not true.

Now that several late war Japanese planes do get over 31k maybe I'll be able to have some very small caveat to the massive Allied material and qualitative advantage during this period.

PS - I also think it's odd that Jocke is suddenly so interested in removing the HR when he wasn't that excited in mid-43 with the only plane to be able to take advantage of it, the P-47. I just re-read his email and he claims we agreed to removing it once the Japanese had a plane that could reach above 31k, which simply is not true.

He says,"To summarize a bit I take it by your answer you are no longer interested in removing the HR? I can�t make you but I think its a missed opportunity in properly seeing the late war air model at work ... I think its the most fair thing to do and I honestly believe it will not be more advantageous for one or the other side. We both dislike the HR and I would really like to see some more balanced results."

In other words 'Lets see how well sweeps work with both P-51s and P-47s diving from 40k.' I have to laugh. What we've been seeing since the Frank 'r' arrived is 'some more balanced results.'

He'll continue to win the air war, but I'm guessing this is timed more due to the sudden decrease in P-47 numbers (~100 lost in the past week) and the rather distant date of the next model coming online in 3/45.

I think You should keep that HR alive. Resigning from it will meant that not only P-47 can sweep You to death. Almost any allied plane will be able to sweep above Your CAP

Look at that
Max attitudes of planes

Japan
J2M5 - 36910
A7M2 - 35760
J7W1 - 39370
Ki-44 - 36760
Ki-100 - 36090
Ki-84r - 38270
Ki-83 - 41530

Allies
P-47 - 42000
P-38L - 40000
P-51 - 41900
F4U-1D - 39300
F6F-5 - 37300

It will open many new possibilities to allies to make strato sweeps.
If You resign from HR You not only give up Your only weapon Ki-84r and later Ki-83 but You will give new weapon to allies. Those P-51D, F4U-1D and even P-38L will sweep You in days.
If my data is right he is getting monthly 398 of only those 3 models.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/8/2013 7:54:50 PM

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ORIGINAL: koniu

I think You should keep that HR alive. Resigning from it will meant that not only P-47 can sweep You to death. Almost any allied plane will be able to sweep above Your CAP

Look at that
Max attitudes of planes

Japan
J2M5 - 36910
A7M2 - 35760
J7W1 - 39370
Ki-44 - 36760
Ki-100 - 36090
Ki-84r - 38270
Ki-83 - 41530

Allies
P-47 - 42000
P-38L - 40000
P-51 - 41900
F4U-1D - 39300
F6F-5 - 37300

It will open many new possibilities to allies to make strato sweeps.
If You resign from HR You not only give up Your only weapon Ki-84r and later Ki-83 but You will give new weapon to allies. Those P-51D, F4U-1D and even P-38L will sweep You in days.
If my data is right he is getting monthly 398 of only those 3 models.

Seems pretty clear koniu. Thanks.

I find numbers more convincing than rhetoric in most cases, and the numbers show a much more 'balanced' air war in the past few weeks since the Frank 'r' has arrived. The Allies still get reasonable results but they have to cover their a** a bit more often since we can now sweep occasionally, which seems much more fun and challenging for both sides. It's been really dynamic and I think will make us both better at staying away from patterns and getting lazy.

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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/9/2013 10:03:47 AM

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5 - 6 December 1944
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SUBS: The Allies have moved subs into the area between Formosa and Luzon. There are about ten there now. I've allocated 4-5 ASW TFs and I turned on all nearby bombers to naval search to help light things up. A few dedicated ASW units will move in too. We'll see if he sticks around. The Tinosa was also hit hard in the South China Sea as it lurked in the shallows. He continually puts subs into this territory and once seen they are inevitably crushed.

STRAT BOMBING: The B-29s hit Manila again, but this time I have some night fighters up. It throws off the aim a bit, maybe and maybe damages a few planes, but they skate through for the most part to get 25k+ fires going. The LI here is dwindling fast. Only a couple listed as downed, but at least flak got one. That's a good sign. As several have mentioned, flak at night seems very much less powerful than during daylight.

CHINA/INDOCHINA: Moving units around to stop some gaps the Allies look to be aiming for near Vinh and in Central Thailand. My small forces in the clear will be lost for sure. He can destroy them in one day of 4E bombing in spite of the 3 forts.

THAILAND: I've turned off the arty and his bombardments are doing some damage now. Its not keeping up and of course takes a bunch of supply. I wonder if it might be better to just let the majority of the arty go here and get the main troops moving faster. Still holding out hope, but not as much as before.

PI: Hes still loading up here and hasn't taken many shots on Luzon. My brigade at Mauban is being engaged, and he's making headway with the tanks in spite of negative attack results. I sent in some minelayers and lost one as it moved down the coast when I didn't set LR CAP. I'll keep these at Manila and continue to load up on mines both at Bataan and Manila.

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 13

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 19

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 12 damaged

Manpower hits 11
Fires 4240

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 25 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah x 5

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 6

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-46-III KAI Dinah: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 damaged

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

CAP engaged:
28th Sentai with Ki-46-III KAI Dinah (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 9000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes

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Night Air attack on Manila , at 79,77

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 22 NM, estimated altitude 15,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 5

Allied aircraft losses
B-29-1 Superfort: 1 destroyed by flak

Manpower hits 3
Fires 27565

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x B-29-1 Superfort bombing from 12000 feet
City Attack: 20 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on 50th Tank Brigade, at 59,61 , near Nakhon Ratchasima

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 11 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 21

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000' *
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Sub attack near Pakhoi at 71,58

Japanese Ships
E No.34
E No.10
E No.46

Allied Ships
SS Tinosa, hits 12

SS Tinosa launches 2 torpedoes at E No.34
E No.46 fails to find sub and abandons search
E No.34 attacking submerged sub ....
E No.34 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub

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Ground combat at Akutan Island (171,49)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1195 troops, 14 guns, 16 vehicles, Assault Value = 70

Defending force 700 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 23

Allied adjusted assault: 25

Japanese adjusted defense: 43

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 1)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(-)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
8 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
113 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 4 (1 destroyed, 3 disabled)

Assaulting units:
Rocky Mountain Rger Battalion

Defending units:
53rd Nav Gd /2

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Ground combat at 55,59 (near Tavoy)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5537 troops, 349 guns, 386 vehicles, Assault Value = 4996

Defending force 191962 troops, 2414 guns, 3021 vehicles, Assault Value = 5700

Japanese ground losses:
242 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 30 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 11 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled

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Morning Air attack on 254th Armoured Brigade, at 58,61 (Nakhon Ratchasima)

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 17 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 4 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 17
D4Y1 Judy x 36
D4Y4 Judy x 36

Japanese aircraft losses
B7A2 Grace: 7 damaged
D4Y1 Judy: 2 damaged

Allied ground losses:
28 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 4 destroyed, 8 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 10 (4 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
23 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 3000'
Ground Attack: 1 x 800 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Lucena at 79,79

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid spotted at 8 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 2 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N2a Jill x 3
Ki-43-IV Oscar x 49

Allied aircraft
Spitfire VIII x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
B6N2a Jill: 2 destroyed
Ki-43-IV Oscar: 1 destroyed

No Allied losses

Allied Ships
PT-478

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x B6N2a Jill flying as kamikaze
Kamikaze: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 61,60 , near Udon Thani

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 8 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 3
D4Y4 Judy x 45

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 19 (3 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x D4Y4 Judy releasing from 1000' *
Ground Attack: 1 x 500 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 61,60 , near Udon Thani

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 29 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B7A2 Grace x 24

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 8 (1 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x B7A2 Grace releasing from 2000'
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on Provisionl Tank Brigade, at 61,60 , near Udon Thani

Weather in hex: Heavy rain

Raid spotted at 46 NM, estimated altitude 10,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy x 32

No Japanese losses

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 6 (1 destroyed, 5 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x Ki-67-Ia (T) Peggy bombing from 6000 feet
Ground Attack: 2 x 250 kg GP Bomb, 4 x 60 kg GP Bomb

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Bataan at 78,77

Weather in hex: Thunderstorms

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Allied aircraft
TBM-1C Avenger x 18

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
E Wakataka
E Saishu, Bomb hits 1, and is sunk MY BAD. No LR CAP.
E Aotaka
E Nasami

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x TBM-1C Avenger bombing from 10000 feet *
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb SAP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.VI x 19
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-17F Fortress x 5
B-24D Liberator x 5
B-24D1 Liberator x 8
B-24J Liberator x 55
B-25C Mitchell x 7
B-25D1 Mitchell x 6
B-25H Mitchell x 14
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 14

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.VI: 4 damaged
B-17E Fortress: 1 damaged
B-24D1 Liberator: 2 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
B-25D1 Mitchell: 2 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 4 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
133 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 19 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 15 (2 destroyed, 13 disabled)

Aircraft Attacking:
5 x PB4Y-1 Liberator bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 10 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Afternoon Air attack on 18th Division, at 55,59 , near Tavoy

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid spotted at 20 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Allied aircraft
Liberator B.III x 3
Liberator B.VI x 16
Liberator GR.VI x 7
B-24J Liberator x 14
B-24D1 Liberator x 4
B-24J Liberator x 23
B-25H Mitchell x 18
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 15
PBJ-1D Mitchell x 10

Allied aircraft losses
Liberator B.III: 1 damaged
Liberator B.VI: 3 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 5 damaged
B-25H Mitchell: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged
PBJ-1D Mitchell: 1 damaged

Japanese ground losses:
82 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 16 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x PBJ-1D Mitchell bombing from 15000 feet
Ground Attack: 6 x 500 lb GP Bomb

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Ground combat at Mauban (80,78)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1020 troops, 6 guns, 144 vehicles, Assault Value = 77

Defending force 3523 troops, 24 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 115

Allied adjusted assault: 31

Japanese adjusted defense: 213

Allied assault odds: 1 to 6 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker: leaders(-)

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
192nd Tank Battalion

Defending units:
8th Exped. Force

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Ground combat at 55,59 (near Tavoy)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 5552 troops, 349 guns, 386 vehicles, Assault Value = 5039

Defending force 191242 troops, 2386 guns, 3015 vehicles, Assault Value = 5678

Japanese ground losses:
405 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

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Reinforcements:

MGB G-1014 arrives at Hakodate
5th Raiding Force arrives at Tokyo
32nd Air Defense AA Battalion arrives at Tokyo
LST T-156 arrives at Nagoya

Losses:

Loss of E Saishu on Dec 06, 1944 is admitted

Ships Sunk:

DE Greiner is reported to have been sunk near Cotabato on Aug 18, 1944
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The Allied moves with tanks are being met both from the air and on the ground. The weakened units might have a hard time pushing through in the river crossings that they must traverse to get to the Indochinese coast. I am moving a few more brigades to the Vinh area as a reserve to move in once he shows his cards.
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RE: Wild Sheep Chase - 10/9/2013 7:39:18 PM

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I probably shouldn't even post this as nothing will ever change, but here goes.

I'm finding the ongoing discussion about height restrictions interesting, but it reinforces my belief that the dive bonus ruins the air component of the game. The amount of HR's to limit the effect of the dive and who gets it when to make things 'fair' is becoming ridiculous. I've said all along, reduce the effect of the dive bonus or make it possible for lower flying aircraft to turn the tables on occasion and the game would be better for it. Right now every player still flies at max altitude when allowed to in order to get the bonus via whatever maximum height has been dictated by house rules. To me that's not playing your opponent, but rather the game engine is dictating tactics that one has to follow in order to not get slaughtered.

Layered CAP is nothing short of trying to get the dive bonus at some point during an air action. If you watch the replays, every air combat devolves into rock/paper/scissors with the lowest set altitude taking the brunt of the losses. Every air combat is the same in this regard yet players just accept it. I find it takes tactics right out of the equation for a player, you either conform to this system in order to reduce/get the dive bonus or willingly lose 99% of the air actions if you consciously choose to fly at lower altitudes.

I often feel I'm trying to exploit or reduce being exploited rather than just being able to enjoy playing anymore. I certainly don't enjoy air operations anymore having to always factor in the dive and it's effects.

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