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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/16/2019 7:27:35 PM

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A I just broke 2 million HI yesterday.

Nice. My estimates put me just under that by the time I get to your point.

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and the one in the north of China where nothing moves out of the hex anyway.

Don't ya hate that.

I'd gotten some of it to move in my last game, and I stopped at auto-vic in Jan '43. Don't know for the life of me what the H$ll I did to get it to move though.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/16/2019 7:54:04 PM

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I'll bet that might be what's going on. That's actually not a bad thing. I do suck oil and fuel as much as I can.

Its my experience that sites with refineries and oil production will not allow you to pull more oil than the minimum required for the site to operate. IOW the site will automatically maintain two days oil supply and not allow more to be drawn to lower that level.

I say again this is at sites that produce both oil and fuel. It is possible to do it at say Port Arthur, which has no inherent oil production. So I can't do it at Palembang, Soerbaja, or Balikpapan. Their refineries will remain in production until oil is denied by other means.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/16/2019 8:33:29 PM

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This game really sucks.

Here's why. A few pages back you posted this.

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Their short range isn't difficult to deal with. Use drop tanks and set their range to 10, along with the Jills.

I'm sitting there or whatever and into my mind comes this statement. I realize its unnecessary as the game is hardcoded for a max CV strike range of 8 hexes for Japan, and 7 for the Allies.

So, while your settings don't hurt anything they also won't strike at that range. They won't hurt as long as the fighters don't have a CAP setting. If they do, and try to cover that far they'll be useless the next day.

Just an FYI.

So tell me, how messed up am I.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/17/2019 11:41:41 PM

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I think you have plenty of everything in Japan for this stage of the war. Don't heed the caution-heads if it interferes with your other plans

. Obviously, if it's not going to impede you in some other way, getting more stuff to Japan is more betterer, so go for it. But I wouldn't be worried at this stage.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/18/2019 10:05:55 AM

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I'm not actively trying to save that many. It will get used. I'm stashing engines and will spend lots on aircraft later.

Your aircraft production can ramp up quickly once research factories all convert to production, but if there are about 700 days of fighting left you need to be spending a surplus of nearly 3000 HI / day from now to use up that HI stockpile.
You've increased HI a bit in Java, so you probably have to spend about 17k of HI per day making stuff from now. If your opponent starts bombing factories that will reduce your ability to spend it all. You might wish you had a pool of 1000 A6M5c then

Even if your opponent doesn't get to bomb many factories I'm not sure you can physically spend all of your banked HI, unless you get to something north of 4000 aircraft production per month quite soon plus all starting armament factories back on, or accelerate the rest of the navy or something!

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/18/2019 3:32:19 PM

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I have 2 million supply around the map outside of Japan. I've just begun focusing on creating a plan to get the excess supply to Japan.

I misread your previous post, with over 4 million supply you are doing, well.

See if you can get it to over 5-6 millions before losing the SRA. Since you are still growing the supply you are sitting pretty nice right now!

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/18/2019 9:02:45 PM

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(3 million in Tokyo)

I fail to understand why players advocate such a thing. Couldn't supply be reduced in an airstrike?

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As I can I've stockpiled some closer to home in places like the PI and Formosa with returning convoys. If possible that is better than having it in Java, Sumatra and Malaya late

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You also have a zillion little resource centres in the Southern PI and dotted around. It's nearly impossible to use these resources.

Not so, I get them all home. That's what all those little 'tramp steamers' are for. In the PI, bring it all to Batangas, flows automatically to Manila, and then home in a larger convoy. And my fuel and oil are fine (IMHO) for 4/43. They're both also going up. If they weren't then I agree and would have to possibly curtail some of this resource 'get'.

Those little tramp steamers are the least efficient transports available. You also don't need all of those resources. You have to have a surplus, but if you haul it all back it's counter productive as fuel surplus is compromised.

In my first long game I looked at the math a bit and I'd been hauling from places like Ocean Island and West OZ. Guess what? I ran out of fuel long before I ran out of resources.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/18/2019 9:04:22 PM

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Maybe you're very efficient about pulling oil from big refining spots before it can be refined there?

I'll bet that might be what's going on. That's actually not a bad thing. I do suck oil and fuel as much as I can. See below.

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Have any of the big refineries elsewhere in the SRA been sporadically not producing?

That I really have no way of knowing. I have noticed that Balikpapan occasionally produces less than I expect it to produce. I pull oil out of there, but there's that extra oil field right next door that has no refinery to support it. I'll stop pulling oil for a bit to allow it to accumulate.

Just check on the production page if there is big red "x"next to any of your refineries. That means it doesn't have enough oil to refine that turn.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/18/2019 9:29:05 PM

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Maybe you're very efficient about pulling oil from big refining spots before it can be refined there?

I'll bet that might be what's going on. That's actually not a bad thing. I do suck oil and fuel as much as I can. See below.

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Have any of the big refineries elsewhere in the SRA been sporadically not producing?

That I really have no way of knowing. I have noticed that Balikpapan occasionally produces less than I expect it to produce. I pull oil out of there, but there's that extra oil field right next door that has no refinery to support it. I'll stop pulling oil for a bit to allow it to accumulate.

Just check on the production page if there is big red "x"next to any of your refineries. That means it doesn't have enough oil to refine that turn.

I check that every turn. The only thing I ever see on occasion is a lack of fuel to run the HI. I don't recall ever seeing a refinery not producing. Every refinery is currently producing except Magwe. I want the oil to flow out of there instead of fuel. No wastage.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/18/2019 9:49:30 PM

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23 Dec 43

Sub War

Nothing to report.

5 Fleet

Yamato and Musashi are going to bombard Dutch Harbor tomorrow. There's something in port, probably something that was damaged at some point. I'm still seeing 1 small unit there.

4 Fleet

Nothing to report.

SE Fleet

Some 43x 2E bombers hit Hollandia's troops without effect again. I put some Franks at Hollandia to try and kill off some of them tomorrow. Will he see the airfield marker there? I can't remember if that was ever fixed. I'll find out tomorrow.

SRA

Nothing to report.

Burma

A couple more enemy fighters were shot down over Kalemyo today to no Japanese loss. That's the only place he opposed me.

An airborne assault of Ramree was snuffed out:

Ground combat at Ramree Island (54,48)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 478 troops, 16 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 36

Defending force 3544 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 121

Allied adjusted assault: 0

Japanese adjusted defense: 371

Allied assault odds: 1 to 99 (fort level 3)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), experience(-)
Attacker: op mode(-), shock(+), leaders(-)

Allied ground losses:
229 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 27 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 9 (2 destroyed, 7 disabled)

Assaulting units:
111th Chindit Bde /2

Defending units:
4th Ind.Mixed Regiment

It looks like there should have been something left but there wasn't. I'll take it.

China

Well, I tried another deliberate assault:

Ground combat at Chungking (76,45)

Japanese Deliberate attack

Attacking force 289379 troops, 3184 guns, 1878 vehicles, Assault Value = 8384

Defending force 256970 troops, 414 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 3859

Japanese adjusted assault: 5122

Allied adjusted defense: 2601

Japanese assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 0) - The odds ended up being 1.96:1!

Japanese Assault reduces fortifications to 0

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
27858 casualties reported
Squads: 52 destroyed, 2683 disabled
Non Combat: 12 destroyed, 200 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 247 disabled
Guns lost 157 (6 destroyed, 151 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
25292 casualties reported
Squads: 768 destroyed, 1447 disabled
Non Combat: 362 destroyed, 624 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 61 (21 destroyed, 40 disabled)
Units destroyed 12

Of the 12 destroyed units, I saw 4 HQ and an infantry corps die. In addition, two others were destroyed, probably by air bombing.

A few more days of bombing/bombardment then I'll try again. My score increased by 109 to only 8 for the Allies. It was a good day there. The score ratio is J:A 46,937:23,692, or 1.98:1.

I was able to buy out another division, one of the cheap ones. 64 Division I think?

Other Stuff

The Chuyo completed repairs and is headed from Soerabaja to Balikpapan, to add to MKB. Only Zuikaku is damaged, with ~134 days to complete repairs.

The Ki-102b R&D advanced to 9/44 (will become operational 4/44).
The G4M2a R&D completed and will be operational 1/44. I changed the two factories to the J7W1 (up to 3 now) and Ki-115a R&D (up to 4 now).

I'm winding down a lot of my resource movement in the SRA that heads to Japan. I'm still moving resources to Java to feed the HI factories there.

I'm kind of bummed about the Chungking assault. I need to compare this attack with the last one to see how it went for both sides. Not really in the mood right now because we had to put our oldest cat down today. She was 15 and lived a good, long life, but that doesn't make it any easier.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/18/2019 10:17:10 PM

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1.96 : 1. I'm glad you didn't claw your eyes out. I do appreciate the peeks into all the wise skulls here.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 10:52:07 AM

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While we wait for the next turn, here's a shot of the intel screen.

I'm very pleased with the Air-to-Air loss ratio of 1.58:1 in my favor. I have lost a lot of planes on the ground, but that equates with practically no pilot losses, which is the important stat.

I'm also pleased with the army loss point differential. The Allied points should jump about 2k when Chungking eventually falls.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 10:52:52 AM

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So sorry to hear about your cat. Condolences.

Our cat is 19.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 10:57:20 AM

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Here are the major Japanese plane losses to date. You need to go three quarters of the way down the page to get to a modern fighter, the Frank a. I can live with this, so far. Note that there are no modern carrier planes showing. I'm currently using the A6M5c, D4Y3 and B6N2/N2a. So, KB isn't taking much in the way of losses, the slackers.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 11:01:40 AM

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And finally, Allied plane losses. It's interesting to note that all of the current Allied carrier planes are showing up on the list, the F6F-3, F4F-4, SBD-3/5 and TBF-1.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 11:09:12 AM

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So sorry to hear about your cat. Condolences.

Our cat is 19.

Thanks. 19 is amazing. We still have two, a 10 yr old female who rules the house and a dumb 4 yr old male who is convinced he's a dog stuck in a cat's body.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 11:54:57 AM

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Not really in the mood right now because we had to put our oldest cat down today. She was 15 and lived a good, long life, but that doesn't make it any easier.

I had two calico females that will be 17 next month. However, I lost one to kidney disease last June. It was downhill in less than week.

I thought she was just getting old and cranky. Learned a lot about cats and kidney disease as result. Her sister has now become very clingy and vocal since then. She has always been a petite cat (max just over 8 lbs). Now, I'm fighting to keep her above 6 lbs. She gets the good stuff from PetSmart while 'dad' eats chicken and hamburger. Yes, she runs my household.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 12:06:20 PM

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She gets the good stuff from PetSmart while 'dad' eats chicken and hamburger. Yes, she runs my household.

Same here.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 12:26:12 PM

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Not really in the mood right now because we had to put our oldest cat down today. She was 15 and lived a good, long life, but that doesn't make it any easier.

I had two calico females that will be 17 next month. However, I lost one to kidney disease last June. It was downhill in less than week. I thought she was just getting old and cranky. Learned a lot about cats and kidney disease as result. Her sister has now become very clingy and vocal since then. She has always been a petite cat (max just over 8 lbs). Now, I'm fighting to keep her above 6 lbs. She gets the good stuff from PetSmart while 'dad' eats chicken and hamburger. Yes, she runs my household.

Don't they all?

We lost one to kidney disease many years ago, in 1994. Puff, who we just lost, had cancer. That too, was very sudden, less than 2 weeks. It's amazing how much cats know about their own bodies. Things I doubt we'll ever figure out. We found her when she was 2-3 weeks old. My daughter (10 yrs old at the time) fed her with an eye dropper. She was Puff's mom. It was interesting to see how Puff reacted to Gina, very differently than anyone else.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 1:52:30 PM

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Not really in the mood right now because we had to put our oldest cat down today. She was 15 and lived a good, long life, but that doesn't make it any easier.

I had two calico females that will be 17 next month. However, I lost one to kidney disease last June. It was downhill in less than week. I thought she was just getting old and cranky. Learned a lot about cats and kidney disease as result. Her sister has now become very clingy and vocal since then. She has always been a petite cat (max just over 8 lbs). Now, I'm fighting to keep her above 6 lbs. She gets the good stuff from PetSmart while 'dad' eats chicken and hamburger. Yes, she runs my household.

Don't they all? We lost one to kidney disease many years ago, in 1994. Puff, who we just lost, had cancer. That too, was very sudden, less than 2 weeks. It's amazing how much cats know about their own bodies. Things I doubt we'll ever figure out. We found her when she was 2-3 weeks old. My daughter (10 yrs old at the time) fed her with an eye dropper. She was Puff's mom. It was interesting to see how Puff reacted to Gina, very differently than anyone else.

We had a litter born on our porch when I was about that age (8-9 I think). We'd been feeding the mama, a on eyed calico, for a few years. Only one of the kittens survived. I named her princess and fed her with an eye-dropper, then a baby bottle. An amazing experience for me as a kid.

Sorry for your loss. Never easy, but good you have a few more generations around!

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 3:24:19 PM

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Not really in the mood right now because we had to put our oldest cat down today. She was 15 and lived a good, long life, but that doesn't make it any easier.

I had two calico females that will be 17 next month. However, I lost one to kidney disease last June. It was downhill in less than week. I thought she was just getting old and cranky. Learned a lot about cats and kidney disease as result. Her sister has now become very clingy and vocal since then. She has always been a petite cat (max just over 8 lbs). Now, I'm fighting to keep her above 6 lbs. She gets the good stuff from PetSmart while 'dad' eats chicken and hamburger. Yes, she runs my household.

Don't they all? We lost one to kidney disease many years ago, in 1994. Puff, who we just lost, had cancer. That too, was very sudden, less than 2 weeks. It's amazing how much cats know about their own bodies. Things I doubt we'll ever figure out. We found her when she was 2-3 weeks old. My daughter (10 yrs old at the time) fed her with an eye dropper. She was Puff's mom. It was interesting to see how Puff reacted to Gina, very differently than anyone else.

I also lost my old (almost 17) cat to kidney failure last month. We knew it was coming, but the final decline was very rapid - he had noticeably lower energy for a day or two a week after a vet checkup on his kidney function that recommended moving on to the next stage of management (fluid injections), and then on Saturday he wasn't able to keep food down and by late Sunday evening he wasn't able to walk 2 feet. He was basically gone on Monday morning.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 3:24:45 PM

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Back to game-relevant posts, fuel being shipped overland (i.e., from Magwe) does not suffer "wastage" anymore.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 5:00:42 PM

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Back to game-relevant posts, fuel being shipped overland (i.e., from Magwe) does not suffer "wastage" anymore.

What?! When did that happen?!

Does that also apply to supply?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 7:13:32 PM

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Status of the Chungking assault force:

Fatigue: 84.5 up 20.3
Disruption: 47.5 up 25.9
Disablements: 22.7 up 8.5

I'm going to let them rest 3-4 days then try again. I'll keep tabs on the Chinese AV to see how that recovers. That will most likely influence my decision on when to attack again.

Of course, I'll keep up the bombing and bombardment.

I have some fresh infantry brigades headed to Chungking, but they're still probably a week or more out.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/19/2019 8:58:27 PM

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I'm going to let them rest 3-4 days then try again. I'll keep tabs on the Chinese AV to see how that recovers. That will most likely influence my decision on when to attack again.

Don't fret too much about the ordeal being prolonged. You will get some more VPs from constantly respawning Chinese units. And you will get some more xp for your divisions. Sieges against hapless Chinese are by far the best xp trainers in the game - enemies lack firepower to kill your guys, but there is still a large scale combat going on which will skyrocket your xp.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/20/2019 3:27:38 AM

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I wonder where this horde of battle hardened veterans will head to next.
Are orders being placed for tropical, arctic or temperate climate uniforms to re-equip them?
Or has there been a surge in shovel and pick production that hints at future orders to start digging trenches in Manchukuo?

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/20/2019 9:50:49 AM

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I'm going to let them rest 3-4 days then try again. I'll keep tabs on the Chinese AV to see how that recovers. That will most likely influence my decision on when to attack again.

Don't fret too much about the ordeal being prolonged. You will get some more VPs from constantly respawning Chinese units. And you will get some more xp for your divisions. Sieges against hapless Chinese are by far the best xp trainers in the game - enemies lack firepower to kill your guys, but there is still a large scale combat going on which will skyrocket your xp.

You're right. The main reason I want to end this campaign is to save supply, but my supply is increasing by an average of 4500 a day, so I guess I'm doing ok. Chungking is doomed, but may still be around a bit longer.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/20/2019 10:05:33 AM

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I wonder where this horde of battle hardened veterans will head to next.
Are orders being placed for tropical, arctic or temperate climate uniforms to re-equip them?
Or has there been a surge in shovel and pick production that hints at future orders to start digging trenches in Manchukuo?

Well, there's 26 divisions in the army and I've bought out 5 of them so far, with enough PPs to buy another here in the next week, probably after the next attack. The remaining divisions will stay in China, per our house rules preventing them from crossing national borders unless bought out. 2/3 of them have experience of 95-98. It's a really good army. I hope to buy another 9-10 next year. The remaining divisions will form the core of border defenses - Burma, Manchukuo, Russia and the coastline.

Most of my bases in Manchukuo are already at level 6 forts. I've been working on them since the start.

The 4 islands in the Marianas will each get a division. (The current goal is 2 divisions and a brigade per island.) Not sure where the other divisions will go at this point, but I hope to have some of the "cheap" divisions that are air mobile (numbered in the 60s) for reserves scattered around the Pacific, to reinforce where I can.

There still are 4 other locations with Chinese troops in them, all surrounded. The largest is in a base with no supply, 23 units of some 90k or so troops. The base is clear so I'm going to bomb them into oblivion later. Next is an army of 12 units in the woods. I may send some divisions there for more experience. Finally, there are 2 single units in the woods. All these troops are to the SE of Chungking. I'm not going to mess with them until Chungking capitulates, so they don't come back when they die.

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/20/2019 10:20:03 AM

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Here's the status of the Chinese Army:

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RE: Once Again into the Breach - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 2/20/2019 10:39:04 AM

Mike Solli

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Here's the experience levels of the Japanese army assaulting Chungking:

1 at 99 exp
6 at 98
4 at 97
1 at 96
1 at 95
5 at 94
2 at 93
1 each at 91, 89, 87, 83, 75 and 64

Not bad.

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