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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 3:04:51 AM   
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ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

Ted and I have had many discussions about using this (or any of the previous) betas. We're worried that something may screw up the game and we don't want to have to start over. We know that we're missing out on a lot but we'd rather wait until it's official before using it.



This has been my logic in playing with only the latest official patch myself and avoiding the betas, Mike. Other opinions vary, but I don't like the idea of having to relearn the game's minutiae that get changed, unchanged, re-changed and then re-unchanged with the different betas.

Analogizing the playing of the latest WiTP:AE official patch with the original game WiTP is an absurdity. The game is very good and very playable with the latest official patch. Don't let anyone tell you otherwise.


Paxmondo:

Generally speaking, when I quote someone else's text or address them by name, I'm addressing my comments in their AAR to them. Not to you. You and Lokassena made your opinions known. I was making my opinion known and supporting Mike and his partner's decision. Stop trying to shout me down. I'll have my opinion heard, particularly when it's a supportive one of the thread owner.

Mike is coming off a year + hiatus with the game. By his own admission, he's had little game time in the last couple years. He feels uncomfortable restarting his suspended game AND ALSO learning every nuance associated with the series of betas that have emerged in the interim. I get that. You should also respect his decision.

Yes, this argument is played and old. Yes, we've locked horns on this issue before. But you need to accept the fact that other people have different motives and issues with constant upgrades than you do. Your 'one size fits all' approach simply doesn't hold water. A forum regular who is here on a daily basis has a different comfort level with someone just getting back into the game. Rather than badger him with rants about how wrong his decision was (and how wrong anyone is that might have issues with constant upgrades), I would rather support his decision.

Your analogy was and is absurd. Playing WiTP:AE with the latest beta may be a different gameplay experience than the latest official patch. It may-in your eyes-be better in all ways. But it's not like playing WiTP. Iterative improvements, even taken cumulatively, are iterative improvements. Not a different game. Polemics notwithstanding, it's not a different game because....it's not a different game. Do the beta patches have a vastly different map than WiTP:AE with the latest official patch? Hex scale? Basic fleet functions? Do they still use resources / HI / fuel / supply and oil?

I'll not respond to your underlined superlatives and universal platitudes here. If you want to discuss this offline, I'm marginally interested. I suggest we leave it lie here in Mike's AAR, however.



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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 4:09:19 AM   
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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 12:56:06 PM   
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I suggest we leave it lie here in Mike's AAR, however.



Agreed.

Apologies for any personal affront, it was not my direct intention ...

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 8:25:34 PM   
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Status: offline 		I've been gone over a year myself. From what it looks like to me, the "beta" work is solid and addresses quite a few problems present in the now 2 year old "official" version. Speaking for myself, the question wouldn't be "Why?" use the "beta" - but rather, "Why wouldn't I?"

I'm with Pax on this one - although I agree his opinion may not have been worded in the best way (but neither was Chicken's response). But really - why wouldn't I use beta? Again, it isn't like a B-grade hack by some amateur. The work is solid and it fixes a lot.


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 8:39:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Good to see you back, Mike.

I've always enjoyed your perspective on IJ economy.

Thanks for your service.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 9:37:13 PM   
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Status: offline 		Wow, I didn't mean for this to flair up. I'm not going to comment on stock vs. the beta. We may opt for the beta in the future, but it'll be unanimous. As long as one of us doesn't want it, we'll stick with stock.

Anyway, thanks for all the great comments. I appreciate it. I had a few minutes to write up some very vague comments on all the old turns. Back to the war, gents.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 9:37:36 PM   
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Kills: 3 xAK, 6 MTB
Losses: RO-63

Air Losses: 19 Allied to 7 Japanese

Reinforcements:
82 IFC – 9 Dinah, 51 AD, training
CHa-46
Shimikaze
RO-102
xAK Shiraneasan Maru – Std-A, will convert to a TK

Ki-44-IIc R&D advanced to 1/44

Ted is using 100+ 4E and 100+ 2E bombers to obliterate Milne Bay. Not much there other than a couple of small units. He can bomb that place to his heart’s content.

He sent a squadron of P-38s against Gasmata and found about 3 dozen Japanese fighters. That was where most of the Allied air losses came from.

I’m sending 100+ 2E bombers against Akyab, Cox’s Bazaar and Chittagong. He’s hiding his fighters to build up enough to put up a fight there. They’ll show up soon.


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 9:37:59 PM   
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Kills: xAK, Northampton (caught near Cooktown and hit 2 separate days by RO class subs), TK (confirmed from 11 Oct 42)

Losses: xAK

Air: 6 Japanese to 59(!) Allied planes: Tojos caught 32 Vengeance bombers unescorted over Kalemyo and shot down 28 of them. Also, 11x P-40s were shot down by Tojos over Mandalay. Very nice few days in the air. Unfortunately, it won’t last.

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xAK Batopha Maru – Std-C, convert to TK
Kure 6 SNLF – SE Fleet
Yokosuka 6 SNLF – SE Fleet


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 9:38:16 PM   
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Kills: xAK, 2x AM (at Adak), DD Henley (Canberra), xAKL

Losses: SSX at PM

Air: 2 Japanese to 3 Allied aircraft. Bad weather and Ted licking his wounds prevented most air contact.

A6M5b R&D advanced to 2/44.

Aleutians: I hold Adak and west and Ted holds all east. I have over a dozen subs in the area and Ted is bombing Adak from Unmak Is. I believe he is going to invade, but then, I’ve believed that for almost a month now. I have KB (Akagi, Kaga, Soryu, Ruyjo, Shokaku & Zuikaku) ~10 or so hexes to the west of Adak. Ted doesn’t know they’re there. They are not flying any offensive missions, just ASW and CAP. If an invasion fleet shows up, I’ll pound them. Adak is very low on supply and every time I try to sneak an xAKL in, she is sunk. I am flying supply in with 9x Emilies. Not much but it’s keeping the place alive. We’ll see what happens.

I bought the 8 Division from Kwantung Army. It is destined for Burma. I’ve started moving transport to pick them up. They’ll start loading by the end of November.


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 9:38:33 PM   
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Ted got even in the air.

Air: 10 Allied to 21 Japanese planes. Unescorted Nells were caught over Darwin and 12 were shot down. The rest of the losses were scattered around the world.

Kills: AM at Milne Bay. She had been sitting there for a few days so I snuck in a few DDs that quickly sank her and skedaddled. TK off San Diego, xAK, AMc confirmed sunk from 25 Jul 42.

No Japanese ship losses.

Reinforcements:
CVE Chuyo – going to take on a load of Vals and will escort big TK convoys from Singapore.
6 Air Division – 4 Air Army – SE Fleet
25 JAAF AF Bn – Southern Army
11 JAAF AF Bn – Southern Army

I finally used up the Kawasaki (early) engines on the Mary and shut off Mary production for good. The Mary is a nice, short range ASW weapon that I’ll use probably for the rest of the war in choke points. Kamikazes later too.


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 9:38:46 PM   
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Air: 14 Allied to 19 Japanese – 9 Helens were caught at Cox’s Bazaar. Grrr…

Kills: 4x xAK – Japanese subs have found some of the Allied convoy routes.

Losses: No Japanese ships were lost.

Reinforcements:
CVL Ryuho – She arrives with no planes (they arrive later) so I’m attaching the late Hiryu’s Kate daitai to her. She’ll join MKB.


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/29/2014 9:39:09 PM   
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A sentai of Helens had a nice night raid against Pt. Moresby destroying a bomber and damaging over a dozen planes.

Two sentai of Helens had a really nice raid against Chittagong (80 fighters were spotted there yesterday) destroying 4 planes on the ground and damaging 26 more. Unfortunately, very little airfield damage was reported. A sentai of Oscars followed by a sentai of Tojos swept the place later in the day. Total losses were 2 Oscars and 3 Tojos for a total of 9 Allied fighters. I’ve added a third sentai of Helens for tomorrow’s raids. Hopefully, this will cause some airfield damage that can’t be repaired as well as damaging more planes. I hope to cause some serious damage to the RAF over the next week.

Ted is getting aggressive with his subs. I’ve had to string out DDs from Singapore to protect the TKs coming and going. The Truant was spotted by one of the TK TFs. She was prosecuted by 3 different TFs, hit once and had several near misses. Hopefully she’ll sink on the way home.

147 2/4E bombers hit Milne bay today. They targeted the troops. Damage was moderate, but acceptable considering those bombers could have been targeting something more critical to the Japanese war effort.

Balikpapan’s forts reached level 5.

Ki-43-IIb R&D reached 1/43. I upgraded the R&D factories to the Ki-43-IIIa. In January, I’ll upgrade the operational factories to the IIb.

Reinforcements:
3 Rcn Bn – CEA – Peiping
3 Mot Inf Reg – CEA – Peiping
3 FA Reg – CEA – Peiping
3 Mob AA Bn – CEA – Peiping
3 Mob Eng Reg – CEA - Peiping
60 JNAF AF Unit – Southern Army – Tokyo

The first 5 units (along with 2 tank regiments that I moved to Peiping already) will form the 3 Tank Division. These units arrived at 75-80% strength using about 3600 vehicle pts. I still have 7700 in the pool. I set them all to accept replacements and will combine them into the division when they all reach 100% strength. I will probably keep this unit in China as an assault force in clear terrain as well as a reserve later in the war.

Ok, I’m all caught up. This weekend I’ll do a complete assessment of everything and post some (long winded) posts and screen shots of what’s going on.

Aleutians

Not much else to talk about since I already discussed it above. KB is still hanging around. I spotted a TF of 3 CAs. I don’t think that’s accurate, but I’ll keep an eye on it to see what it does.

4 Fleet

Nothing at all going on here. I continue to build forts and selective airfields in the area.

I have quite a few fleet and Glen subs stationed at Kwajalein. They patrol various point around the central Pacific and there is also a patrol line west and SW of Hawaii to prevent surprises.

SE Fleet

I have 8x RO class subs hanging around east of Australia and south of Pt. Moresby looking for targets. They have taken pretty heavy losses here but have definitely done lots of damage to Allied shipping in the area. I don’t agree with people’s negative comments on the ROs. Sure they don’t have long range, but they’re pretty tough. Some of them have been damaged 3-4 times, repaired and sent back into the fray.

I have 8x fleet and 3x Glen subs that I have stretched from Norfolk Island eastward. They have found Ted’s convoy route to Australia and are having a field day. They usually have to head back to the barn because they used up all their ordnance, not because of a lack of fuel.

Ted has >100 4E and >100 2E bombers here and he’s using them primarily against Milne Bay. They’re relatively ineffective, which is fine, but his op losses are low (I think). I don’t have any effective fighters to counter them anyway, so I can live with this.

SRA

Northern Australia is back in Ted’s hands. I wanted to hold Northern Australia until the end of 42, but Oct/Nov 42 will work. Ted has not started a bombing campaign against the SRA yet, but I suspect he’ll pull some of the 4E bombers from SE Fleet area and allocate them here. I would if I were in his shoes. I suspect the problem is that he doesn’t have any airfields large enough to handle them in central/northern Australia.

The biggest thorn in my side is at Merauke (south coast of PNG right in the center). I can’t counter it. I’ve tried a couple times and my invasion fleets didn’t succeed in reaching Merauke either time. I’ve got a couple of Helen sentai located at Hollandia and they bomb the airfield at night, which isn’t really effective. They would get slaughtered if they tried a daylight raid. He also has a modest surface fleet (some cruisers and DDs) and about a dozen of his effective subs. This will definitely be a problem later in the war.

Within the SRA itself, I’m building forts and sucking all the fuel, oil and resources I can get. Southern Borneo sends it to Davao. The oil and resources go to Japan and the fuel stays in Borneo. Balikpapan send’s it fuel to Truk. Northern Borneo sends its fuel to Cam Ranh Bay and then to Japan. The small resource producing islands around Java sends their resources to Java. Java sends its surplus fuel to Davao. Palembang and the rest of Sumatra send everything to Singapore and then to Japan.

Burma

This place is a mess. Akyab is surrounded with ~23k Allied troops slowly withering on the vine. I’d love to kill them off, but it’ll take some time to do. My main army is locked up with a fair Allied army 1 hex to the NE of Akyab. Stalemate. If I can scrounge ~3 divisions, I believe I can kill those Allied troops off that are stuck in Akyab. We’ll see it that happens. More details later.

China

I’ve surrounded about a dozen or so Chinese units but they’re scattered around so it’ll take a while to round them up and kill them off. More later.

That’s about it for now. It’s good to be back in the saddle with this game. I love it!


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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 8/31/2014 8:50:18 PM   
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Sub War

Missed a nice, big AP off Canberra. Too bad.

CHa-38 was turned into matchsticks by the Seal in the deep water a few hexes to the SW of Nagasaki. She got away without a scratch. Only positive is that she used 4 torpedoes to do it.

Aleutians

Typical day over Adak. Two Allied air raids against the port totaling 8x 4E, 28x 2E and 13x SBD sorties. No real damage but supply is critical. KB still hovers out of sight to the west. The slow replenishment fleet arrived to replace the fast replenishment fleet, which will pick up a fresh load of fuel.

4 Fleet

I found the 111 Naval Construction Battalion, lounging in Hiroshima, belonging to 4 Fleet. Hmm. I sent some transports to pick up the slackers and send them to Ocean Island to build some forts. Did I say slackers?

SE Fleet

Thirteen Helens on a night raid to Pt. Moresby managed to damage a couple of Catalinas and cause 1 runway damage.

Ted was pretty active today. A small raid at Lae did nothing. Milne Bay bore the brunt of the air sorties, getting 58x 2E sorties causing a couple of port damage (repaired).

The real attacks were at Gasmata. A squadron of P-40Ks met 37 various Japanese fighters, shooting down 6 P-40s for 4 Japanese planes. Fortunately, I'm keeping Gasmata at >20k supply, so replacing the planes is no issue. I can always swap them out with fighters at Rabaul so they can rest if needed.

SRA

Nothing of note.

Burma

The 8 Division began loading today, in Korea.

None of my night bombers flew today. Must have been the weather. I was hoping to hit Chittagong and damage/destroy some fighters there. I did notice that the are only 29 fighters showing in the intel, as opposed to 80 a couple of days ago.

I had 30 Oscars and then 21 Tojos sweep Chittagong in succession. Overall, I lost 9 Oscars and 5 Tojos for a total of 10 Allied fighters lost. Not very good, but I have a lot of IJA fighter pilots i reserve and an ok number of planes in the pool, but I hope to increase that number. I still have some Oscar Ic models in the front line in places that I desperately want to upgrade, but the replacements just aren't there yet.

China

Not much going on but movement is happening for future ops. I am training an Oscar Ic sentai in strafing. They'll be ready in a few days. I've been saving my Oscar IIa replacements for this sentai. I'll probably upgrade the unit in a day or two. I'm going to use them to strafe & bomb the Chinese airfields where the Chinese Air Force is hiding. Should be a fun surprise.

Reinforcements

552 Ku K-1 - 27 Vals - 13 Air Flotilla - training
954 Ku T-2 - 6 Petes - 24 Air Flotilla - will upgrade to a better float plane and provide ASW somewhere.
Kushimoto Ku T-1 - 6 Alfs - 13 Air Flotilla - training
Special Attack Unit - 4 Air Army - 12 Ki-45 KAIb - Rabaul
Special Attack Unit Det - 4 Air Army - 6 Ki-44 KAI - Rabaul
BB Musashi! - 233 Naval points freed up. I'm not going to change anything for a day or 2 to let my naval shipyard points build up. Then I'll accelerate another CV.
CHa-47 - ASW

Air unit size changes:

705 Ku K-1 - 27 to 36 - Betty/Nell training unit
244 Sentai - 30 to 42 - Fighter training unit
246 Sentai - 24 to 36 - Tojo unit in SE Fleet
248 Sentai - 30 to 42 - Oscar unit in Gasmata

Other Stuff

A6M5b R&D accelerated to 1/44.

152 IJNAF pilots accelerated over several months.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/1/2014 4:43:59 PM   
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5 Fleet

Same ole bombing of Adak by the Allies.

4 Fleet



SE Fleet

Lots of 4E and 2E sorties over Milne Bay. I've also noticed ted is sending some unescorted 2E bombers over Lae. I'm going to give him a welcoming committee tomorrow.

I had a couple night runs over Pt. Moresby. All that happened was a Helen was shot down and a few Allied aircraft were damaged.

SRA



Burma

Still no bombers flew over Chittagong. A Sentai of Tojos swept Chittagong and lost 6 for a total of 12 Allied fighters. Very nice.

China

I upgraded the strafe capable fighter sentai to the Oscar IIa, which carries 2x 250 kg bombs. Once they're air repaired, I'll move them into range of attacking the Chinese air force. They'll have a additional sentai of Oscars flying escort.

Reinforcements

Wakazuki (Akitsuki class) - carrier escort.

Other Stuff

CL Isuzu and 12x Kageros entered refit.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/1/2014 7:14:17 PM   
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Wakazuki (Akitsuki class) - carrier escort.


nice to see those ...

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/1/2014 10:04:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hey, Mike I know you've been gone for a while and I don't recall what your plans were for the Japanese CS's. Gonna convert them to CVL's? One could already be in the yard, and the rest are available now.

Oh, just one more thing. Do you know where your signature poster originated from?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/1/2014 10:14:56 PM   
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Hey, Mike I know you've been gone for a while and I don't recall what your plans were for the Japanese CS's. Gonna convert them to CVL's? One could already be in the yard, and the rest are available now.

Oh, just one more thing. Do you know where your signature poster originated from?


I've currently got Chitose and Chiyoda converting to CVLs. I probably won't convert the other two.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/2/2014 1:40:25 AM   
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Hey, Mike I know you've been gone for a while and I don't recall what your plans were for the Japanese CS's. Gonna convert them to CVL's? One could already be in the yard, and the rest are available now.

Oh, just one more thing. Do you know where your signature poster originated from?


I've currently got Chitose and Chiyoda converting to CVLs. I probably won't convert the other two.


I like this approach as well... the other two just don't have the speed, really.


Also, good to have this AAR back on the daily checklist.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/2/2014 11:40:01 AM   
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Status: offline 		Lokasenna, that was my reasoning. The Chitose and Chiyoda are fast enough to operate with MKB, but the other two just aren't quite there. They do very well as ASW platforms escorting TKs.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/2/2014 12:19:15 PM   
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Sub War

The I-153 was has been patrolling off Colombo in the hopes of catching something. A KV caught her with a depth charge. Fortunately, the damage isn't severe, but she's headed back to Singapore for repairs.

South of Pt. Moresby, the RO-103 found a convoy but a DD damaged her torpedo tubes. She's headed back to Truk for repairs. The RO-101 also missed her target.

5 Fleet

Same ole ineffective bombing of Adak.

4 Fleet



SE Fleet

I ineffectively night bombed Pt. Moresby and Merauke.

My little surprise at Lae paid off. I caught a couple small raids there and shot down 4x Mitchells and 2x A20s. In the grand scheme of things, this is insignificant, but it is a morale boost.

SRA



Burma

This is the only theater where fighting is really going on, and there isn't much of that either. Our armies are locked in a couple of hexes around Akyab/Cox's Bazaar. Neither has the supply to do anything to the other. Only in the air does anything happen, and then only when Ted decides to oppose my fighter superiority. Today continues that struggle in the air.

It started with my night bombing of Chittagong's airfield, where Ted has his fighters stationed. In 6 night bombing raids of 55 sorties, I destroyed 7 fighters on the ground and left the airfield with 13% damage after repairs were done. We're getting there! In the air later that day, 9 Allied fighters were shot down vs. 2 Tojo op losses. Six of those 9 fighters were Hurricane Ibs. Those old models just can't stand up to the more modern Japanese fighters. Ted needs to upgrade to a newer model. If he doesn't, that fine with me.

I have most of the IJNAF 21 Air Flotilla stationed at Pt. Blair and they finally had a mission today. A convoy of xAKLs probably coming out of Trincomalee, was spotted and attacked by 9 Betties. Two xAKLs were hit by torpedoes and went down. A sub in the area is going to attempt to engage tomorrow.

China

I mentioned earlier that a group of Chinese units are surrounded. I caught the 23 Group Army and obliterated it today.

Other Stuff

Yura and Kinu entered refit.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/3/2014 1:48:58 AM   
Mike Solli


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Sub War

SE of Norfolk Island, one of my subs spotted, but couldn’t get a shot at, a convoy of AOs and TKs heading west to Australia. I’m assuming it’s full of fuel. That sub is chasing them, with another in line waiting for the convoy to reach her. There are also another 4 subs racing south to try and catch it. I would love to sink a few AOs. To date I have sunk only the AO Trinity on 12 Dec 42. If this convoy gets through intact, I suspect in attack in SE Fleet area in the near future.

5 Fleet

Nothing other than the two daily bombing raids on Adak. I already sent the turn off to Ted, but there appears to be no invasion forthcoming. When I get the turn back, I’m going to set up an ambush. I have KB1 (Akagi, Kaga, Ryujo) and KB 2 (Soryu, Shokaku, Zuikaku) sitting west of Adak out of naval search range of Ted waiting for the apparently nonexistent invasion of Adak. I’m going to move KB2 ~6 hexes west of Adak with KB1 a couple hexes west of KB2. KB2’s fighters will LRCAP Adak and 2/3 of KB1’s fighters will LRCAP KB2. After a day or 2 of this, KB2 will return to port (not sure if it’ll be Davao or Truk) and upgrade its fighters from A6M3a to A6M5. There are currently 57 A6M5 in the pool. This will replenish the A6M3a pool for the few baby carriers that still fly the A6M2, which will in turn replenish the A6M2 pool for the land based units. Ultimately, the A6M2 will be withdrawn from frontline service and be used as a trainer supplementing the Claude, which is almost out of planes in the pool. It’ll take a while to accomplish.

4 Fleet

Just building forts here.

SE Fleet

I should have flown LRCAP over Lae again today, but one day of that put fatigue for the participating fighter units at ~25%. Ted flew the remaining Mitchells again. They did nothing. I could have shot the rest of them down. Ah well. I’m still glowing in the massive victory over Lae from the previous day.

SRA

Just building forts and hauling stuff here. The only place that has a glut of anything is Singapore and the TKs are working overtime to get it to Japan.

Burma

I flew 83 Helen sorties in night bombing over Chittagong damaging half a dozen or more fighters and upping the remaining airfield damage to ~30%. No fighter flew to confront my Tojo sentai sweeping the hex.

Ted, over the past 2 days, has been sending ~50x bombers escorted by ~50 fighters (split between the P-40E and the P-40K) to attack my lone division that is opposed by 4 relatively weak Indian divisions on the road 1 hex east of Cox’s Bazaar. The bombers haven’t done much damage, probably because of the jungle, but I know he wants to push the division out to open up a supply line to the main British army (~45-50k troops) 1 hex to the SW and cut off. When I get the turn back, I’m going for a massive LRCAP of the hex to cut back on his remaining fighters and try to chew up some of his bombers. The bombers he’s been using are B-25C, Liberator II and Wellington Ic. I’ll do it for 1 day to see what happens. If it is successful, I’ll probably do another day, but that’ll tire out my fighter pilots. We’ll see what happens.

China

The strafe capable fighter sentai is almost fully repaired (only 2 damaged planes remaining). Tomorrow, it should be completely repaired. Then I’ll move it into position and execute my mission to bomb and strafe the Chinese air force. Should be fun.

Reinforcement

TK Chiyoda Maru – Type-1 TM (8150 capacity) – will assist in moving fuel/oil from Singapore to the Home Islands.

Other Stuff

Things have been rather slow lately in this game. Ted (apparently) is waiting for reinforcements before starting an amphibious offensive. He does mention to me that his Essex class CVs begin to arrive in June 43. He also gets the Corsair in January. He still has all of his carriers. I put a sub torpedo into Hermes some months back in the IO, but I never got a report of her sinking and lost track of her. 1-2 of his carriers attacked Dutch Harbor some months ago before taking it back. I had KB at Truk at the time and tried to catch them, but they hung around only a day or 2 then fled, the cowards. Those are the only times I’ve even seen his carriers.

It’s been a while since I spotted anything larger than a DD. I caught the CA Northampton off Cooktown on 22 Nov and put 2 sub torpedoes into her. She’s still reported as sunk. I think that was a lucky interception of her moving around. My subs are all over the west coast of Australia looking for shipping and keeping an eye out for movement north.

I suspect that Ted has fighter airframe issues, because I am still seeing the Hurricane Ib and the P-40E in frontline service. Not sure if this is normal or if they should be gone by now. Any thoughts?

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/3/2014 2:23:54 AM   
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I suspect that Ted has fighter airframe issues, because I am still seeing the Hurricane Ib and the P-40E in frontline service. Not sure if this is normal or if they should be gone by now. Any thoughts?

My read would be that he is stockpiling new airframes unless you can account for all the new ones in losses.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/3/2014 4:11:29 AM   
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They do very well as ASW platforms escorting TK


That's why I'd convert them. I know its 10 months though, but a CS's a/c don't fly as often as carrier a/c. A flat deck loaded with Kate's as ASW is better than Pete's or Jake's. Just MHO.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/3/2014 4:20:13 AM   
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Burma

This is the only theater where fighting is really going on, and there isn't much of that either. Our armies are locked in a couple of hexes around Akyab/Cox's Bazaar. Neither has the supply to do anything to the other. Only in the air does anything happen, and then only when Ted decides to oppose my fighter superiority. Today continues that struggle in the air.


Its been a while so I may be off here. I believe you said you didn't want to, but wouldn't turning on the refinery in Rangoon help the supply situation a bit. You are running a lot of air ops so that supply is 'gas'.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/3/2014 9:02:08 PM   
Mike Solli


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quote:

ORIGINAL: Mike Solli

I suspect that Ted has fighter airframe issues, because I am still seeing the Hurricane Ib and the P-40E in frontline service. Not sure if this is normal or if they should be gone by now. Any thoughts?

My read would be that he is stockpiling new airframes unless you can account for all the new ones in losses.


Not sure what how many he has after a year of war. I haven't had the time to figure it out. I need to find the time to do that.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/3/2014 9:03:04 PM   
Mike Solli


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They do very well as ASW platforms escorting TK


That's why I'd convert them. I know its 10 months though, but a CS's a/c don't fly as often as carrier a/c. A flat deck loaded with Kate's as ASW is better than Pete's or Jake's. Just MHO.


Good idea. I hadn't thought of that. Maybe I'll start the conversion of them.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/3/2014 9:04:26 PM   
Mike Solli


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Burma

This is the only theater where fighting is really going on, and there isn't much of that either. Our armies are locked in a couple of hexes around Akyab/Cox's Bazaar. Neither has the supply to do anything to the other. Only in the air does anything happen, and then only when Ted decides to oppose my fighter superiority. Today continues that struggle in the air.


Its been a while so I may be off here. I believe you said you didn't want to, but wouldn't turning on the refinery in Rangoon help the supply situation a bit. You are running a lot of air ops so that supply is 'gas'.


It's not a lack of supply. You're right, I keep the refineries off ~90% of the time, probably more. I have a lot of supply in Burma, but it's not moving to the troops very quickly. That's the issue.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/4/2014 5:09:05 AM   
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Status: offline 		So glad you and Ted started this up again, starting reading this AAR a very long time ago. I read through until I caught up. Enjoying all the insight into economy matters, air production etc.

So you are nearing 1943. Somewhere around this point I think, I can't recall the exact dates, Teds submarines will be getting more reliable torpedoes so I wondered how your escorts, convoys and asw assets were working out. CVLs with Vals? Are they better than Kates in the role, I don't really know myself... What are you using for land based air ASW and how are those units progressing with training etc.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/5/2014 10:43:50 PM   
Mike Solli


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Status: offline 		Hi Jace, glad you're enjoying the AAR. I increased the size of a bunch of FP units to 24 and maxed them all out. I'm trying to train them in ASW and naval search. I'm posting them along the Singapore-Japan convoy route and set them up for 40% ASW, 40% naval search, 20% rest. I'm using the Chuyo with Vals for ASW support and will add more CVEs later to escort the convoys. I also have allocated to escorts: Tomozurus, Momis, Shimushus, and all the 4k endurance DMS. With Nagasaki recently (just a few days ago) reaching port size 9, I can use fewer, large convoys. I will probably go with 4-8 escorts per convoy.

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RE: Once Again into the Breech - Mike (J) vs. tc464 (A) - 9/5/2014 10:46:41 PM   
Mike Solli


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Sub War

Well, I caught that AO/TK fleet and, yes, it was carrying fuel. The I-175 found them first and sank the TK California Standard (Federal Type-E, 9340 capacity, 14 kt) and later in the day missed the AO Guadalupe. The I-171 missed an xAK. Only 1 for 3. Not so hot. The convoy is headed up the east coast of Australia where I have a string of subs. Hopefully, I’ll get some more shots (and hits) on it.

5 Fleet

I set up my ambush of the Allied bombers. KB2 is sending all of their fighters on LRCAP of Adak: Soryu (27 A6M3a), Shokaku (36 A6M3a) and Zuikaku (36 A6M3a). KB1, a few hexes to the west of KB2, is sending 66 A6M3a to LRCAP KB2 and keeping 36 A6M3a for its own CAP. Here is what attacked Adak today:

First attack:
3x B-24D
14x A29
13x SBD

Second attack:
4x B-24D
13x B-26

I hope to cut them down a bit.

4 Fleet

Nothing to report.

SE Fleet

I had 15 Helen sorties against Merauke for no result. None of my bombers flew against Pt. Moresby.

Ted had a little more success, but not much. He sent 2E & 4E sorties against Milne Bay and Lae for no result. He did something he hadn’t tried for a while. He sent 48 4E bombers against Shortland Island. I have a 45 plane Betty daitai and a 24 plane Tojo sentai stationed there. Only 8 Tojos intercepted before the bombing run and 20 after. They shot down 3 B-17Fs, with an additional 3 op losses for 4 Tojo op losses (1 pilot KIA) and 3 Betties destroyed on the ground. Moderate damage was done to the airfield. I left the Tojo sentai there and pulled the Betties out. That’s the first time in quite a while that I can remember destroying a significant number of 4E bombers in flight – 12%.

SRA

Nothing to report.

Burma

Ted still has a few fighters stationed at Chittagong, but none flew today. My Helens were spread out over 5 different raids, totaling 51 sorties, but did little airfield damage. They did manage to destroy 3 Hurricane IIcs on the ground though.

I’m spreading 5x Helen sentai over Akyab, Cox’s Bazaar and Chittagong to keep all the airfields & Akyab’s port destroyed.

The bombing of my division near Cox’s Bazaar is growing. Today there were 2 raids. Here’s their composition:

First attack:
23x P-40K
29x P-40E
44x Blenheim IV
3x Hudson IIIa
20x Wellington Ic
12x Beaufort V

Second attack:
23x P-40K
29x P-40E
16x Liberator II
14x Wellington Ic
22x B-24D
27x B-25C

They did little to no troop damage. I forgot to set up the LRCAP of the hex. I’ll do it tomorrow.

That convoy of xAKLs came off my radar today. I think it’s too far north (along the Indian coast) to be spotted.

China

Well, I goofed here. The Oscar IIc has a normal range of 6 hexes, 8 hexes with drop tanks. My airfield is 7 hexes away. The question I have is: if the Oscar IIc has a strafe mission with drop tanks, will it carry 2x 250kg or 2x 30kg bombs (or no bombs)? If it is the smaller bombs, I will need to get an airfield closer to the target. At any rate, I didn’t execute my strafing attack of the Chinese air force. Too bad.

Other Stuff

My goal was to have 700k HI in the pool by the end of 42. Today, I have 875k and am increasing it by ~5200 a day. I expect to be over 1kk by the end of 42! That’s good news.

My total supply on hand has exceeded my starting supply for the first time this month. That’s great news. Fuel, on the other hand, will never reach its pre-war levels. There was ~4.5kk fuel at the start and now is currently at 3.1kk. Since I repaired the last of the oil fields, about 3 months ago, I’ve lost ~180k fuel, or 60k per month. At that rate, I won’t have a problem, but I know it will get worse with time. With a steady loss of 60k per month, that’ll be ~2kk reduction by Aug 45, leaving little more than 1kk left. Scary! I need to reduce consumption. I can look on the bright side. At some point I’ll lose my fleet. Then my fuel consumption will drop dramatically. I’m not really looking forward to that either.

Oil is looking good. It’s been steady at 2.6-2.7kk for the past 9 months. It’ll go down when US sub torpedoes get better, but I’ve got pretty nice convoy escorts set up to move stuff from Singapore to the Home Islands. I’m also plastering the area between Palembang and Singapore with naval search, and air and surface ASW to keep the convoys safe. We’ll see how that works out. I have decided to convert the Mizuho and Nisshin (along with Chitose & Chiyoda already converting) from CS to CVL. Whoever mentioned using Kates/Vals for ASW vs. float planes is a genius. Thanks! It never dawned on me. Right now CVE Chuyo, with 27 Vals, is on its way to Singapore for ASW support.


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