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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/12/2015 9:21:30 PM

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At minimum, you should take all of south Indochina on a line from Quinhon to Phnom Penh, or the base just north of PP (Kompong Chhnang?)
You get industry and a shipyard at Saigon and you secure the railways. Sure, he can go overland from Bangkok to Vinh, but the rail line only gets you 2/3 of the distance and the rest is tortuous roads or rough jungle.

After that, it is a choice between cutting off Malaya via Bangkok or heading to Hanoi-Lang Son to open a path to China. Central Indochina has nothing in it but roads and undeveloped airfields with lots of malaria.

So you need to decide what kind of follow-on campaign you want to run - another China liberation campaign or march down the Malay peninsula to isolate Sumatra and open the Straits of Malacca. The former gets you closer to Japan, but will take all your effort. The latter course may leave you some forces for a CentPac or NorPac thrust.

It's a win-win for us kibitzers: it will be fun to watch whichever choice you make.

EDIT: PS - It is not that hard for the Japanese to march out of Burma. They go to Chiang Mai, take the road to the northeast and cross one jungle hex to another road, then go north until they can cross one jungle hex to catch the road to Kunming (from the southwest of Kunming). It takes a month or so but they will not starve before they get there.

That road is mine and heavily garrisoned, as is Kunming and points south. It will be more difficult for them to march out, but I guess "impossible" would mean an air tight line in Indochina.

Quinhon and all the way across I have planned to take either way. Just too juicy to pass up, plus denying those major bases to the Empire is part of fortifying/safeguarding CRB for its naval interdiction role.

I've considered China, but decided against it. The land forces in Indochina and breaking out of Burma will 1) cut off flow of materials through the area. 2) Trap and destroy as many Imperial forces as possible. 3) Move on Singapore and environs. Depending on availability of forces there might eventually be an overland movement toward Canton/Hong Kong. I suppose with the IJA commitment in the mountains that might pose an additional dilemma for the Empire.

The next big thrust with the USN will be Daito Shoto and Okinawa, et al.

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/12/2015 9:33:29 PM

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To the untrained newbie eye, Vinh seems a tempting prospect to conquer. Probably empty or lightly defended, and enough by itself to cut off Indochina, Thailand and Malaya from the eastern holdings of Japan (China, Korea et al). Good for starving the entirety of japanese forces in the area.

Would be interesting to know though if you plan to isolate Malaya and Singapore for the time being, or to make a push for it soon. If you make a push for it, you can probably destroy a lot of assets (including a lot of big ships).

If you isolate and ignore it, you can move more forces towards either clearing up Burma, Thailand and Indochina, or edging closer to the Home Islands, either via Philippines or Formosa. Or directly Okinawa...

I plan to isolate them for now. I figure the ships have no place to go, so I will catch up to them eventually. I want to stop the flow of materials and destroy units (which facilitates the following activities of my own units) and I figure better to capture big, useful bases before the troops get back to defend them.

I might get up to Vinh soon, but I'm concerned about biting off more than the forces that I've brought in can handle. There are a lot of them and more on the way, but once they spread out they will lose concentration of combat power. Vinh and the other locations along the northern coast are also close to China, and I am keeping a wary eye out for any major forces that he brings out of there to intervene.

The PacAO forces are heavily prepared for the Okinawa vector. I expect to find ~100,000 troops defending that island!

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/12/2015 10:15:03 PM

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Didn't know you had advanced so far in Burma and on the Burma Road! Good position!

You get a bonus when you take Saigon and Bangkok - even without a Naval SY there are usually some naval vessels under construction there that show up as destroyed when you take the base. Mostly these are small auxiliaries, but some subs as well.

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/13/2015 1:14:28 AM

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Didn't know you had advanced so far in Burma and on the Burma Road! Good position!

You get a bonus when you take Saigon and Bangkok - even without a Naval SY there are usually some naval vessels under construction there that show up as destroyed when you take the base. Mostly these are small auxiliaries, but some subs as well.

It took quite a while but eventually the last of the Imperials from the Lashio-Paoshan road were destroyed in the countryside. In our 2x2 we have taken Cam Ranh Bayin either the last days of Dec '43 or first days of Jan '44 and got some destroyed message there too. And at Bangkok taken earlier. Don't have Saigon yet.

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/13/2015 2:21:30 PM

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I think you overrate Japan's ability to launch an offensive...especially if you get tanks into Hanoi and Haiphong....but you know what you have in theater....

Waiting on pins and needles to find out what happens at Camh Ran Bay...the IJN carriers, etc, etc.

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/13/2015 3:18:54 PM

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I think you overrate Japan's ability to launch an offensive...especially if you get tanks into Hanoi and Haiphong....but you know what you have in theater....

Waiting on pins and needles to find out what happens at Camh Ran Bay...the IJN carriers, etc, etc.

The more I think about it the more I feel like the first order of business is a race to Bangkok to cut off the main avenue. If I do that sending the armor and some others toward the China border will be easy, and if I get really stymied then I can detach the forces as noted anyway.

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/13/2015 11:19:01 PM

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I plan to isolate them for now. I figure the ships have no place to go, so I will catch up to them eventually. I want to stop the flow of materials and destroy units (which facilitates the following activities of my own units) and I figure better to capture big, useful bases before the troops get back to defend them.

I might get up to Vinh soon, but I'm concerned about biting off more than the forces that I've brought in can handle. There are a lot of them and more on the way, but once they spread out they will lose concentration of combat power. Vinh and the other locations along the northern coast are also close to China, and I am keeping a wary eye out for any major forces that he brings out of there to intervene.

The PacAO forces are heavily prepared for the Okinawa vector. I expect to find ~100,000 troops defending that island!

Well, Bangkok should be fun too! I look forward to it.

Also, Okinawa!

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/14/2015 12:47:04 AM

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Okinawa is going to be a B-E-A-S-T!

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/14/2015 1:39:35 AM

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Okinawa is going to be a B-E-A-S-T!

So why go there?

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RE: 1944 June 24 - 4/14/2015 1:43:26 AM

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Okinawa is going to be a B-E-A-S-T!

So why go there?

4EBs + jumping off point for a possible/eventual invasion of Japan.

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RE: 1944 January 16 - 4/14/2015 8:15:47 PM

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Took me a few weeks, but I caught up with you here. Very nice AAR. Thanks for the hard work doing extras like the maps. I work for a contracting company and have been on the road at a new plant that is opening up for weeks now. Your AAR was something to look forward to when I got back to the hotel.

I too have been reading along for the last month and have only gotten to Jan of 1944 so far. I have learned so much so far and am looking forward to another years worth of posts to catch up on! Great AAR, love the screen shots, the strategy chats and sharing of your plans and decision processes. Keep it up!

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RE: 1944 January 16 - 4/14/2015 10:06:55 PM

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Thanks!

I'm glad this is helpful. It certainly is for me!

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1944 June 26 - 4/15/2015 7:03:08 PM

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1944 June 26

The Empire captured:

The Allies captured:
Cam Ranh Bay

There were Imperial amphibious or airborne operations at:

There were Allied amphibious or airborne operations at:
Cam Ranh Bay

Our subs came up empty.

Quiet in China.

The 4th USMC Div and 82nd WA Div are facing a Rgt on the road to Tavoy and will attack at once. SW of Toungoo a great result was achieved, 2 to 1 odds with only a partial retreat. Granted the remaining units might escape before combat tomorrow, but our forces just might strike them a severe blow.

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Ground combat at 54,58 (near Tavoy)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 12865 troops, 156 guns, 101 vehicles, Assault Value = 759

Defending force 3798 troops, 20 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 126

Japanese ground losses:
15 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Marine Division
82nd (West African) Division

Defending units:
112th Infantry Regiment

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Ground combat at 56,51 (near Toungoo)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 79320 troops, 862 guns, 808 vehicles, Assault Value = 1825

Defending force 18430 troops, 191 guns, 72 vehicles, Assault Value = 296

Allied adjusted assault: 826

Japanese adjusted defense: 391

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2058 casualties reported
Squads: 26 destroyed, 150 disabled
Non Combat: 108 destroyed, 62 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 7 disabled
Guns lost 24 (8 destroyed, 16 disabled)
Vehicles lost 15 (15 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
962 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 95 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 15 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 9 disabled
Guns lost 20 (2 destroyed, 18 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
Rifles of Canada Battalion
3rd New Chinese Corps
Provisionl Tank Brigade
22nd New Chinese Division
96th Chinese Division
7th Indian Division
88th Chinese Division
23rd Indian Division
29th British Brigade
11th PAVO Regiment
8th New Chinese Corps
22nd (East African) Brigade
19th Indian Division
36th Chinese Division
2nd Reserve Division
27th Indian Field Artillery Battalion
IV Indian Corps
22nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
40th Division
40th Inf Group Brigade
77th Infantry Regiment
1st Mobile Infantry Regiment
55th Mountain Gun Regiment

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Ground combat at Rangoon (54,53)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3982 troops, 270 guns, 193 vehicles, Assault Value = 3864

Defending force 69004 troops, 407 guns, 228 vehicles, Assault Value = 1453

Japanese ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Allied ground losses:
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
50th Tank Brigade
Gardner's Horse Regiment
Americal Infantry Division
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
254th Armoured Brigade
255th Indian Tank Brigade
14th LRP Brigade
20th Indian Division
192nd Tank Battalion
18th British Division
27th Infantry Division
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
14th Indian Division
26th Indian Division
3rd Cavalry Regiment
150th RAC Regiment
25th Indian Division
81st (West African) Division
72nd British Brigade
18th Cavalry Regiment
5th Indian Division
21st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
56th Heavy Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
8th Belfast Heavy Regiment
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/11th Field Regiment
32nd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
2/1st Med Regiment
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
XV Indian Corps
2/9th Field Regiment
88th Medium Regiment
33rd Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
9th Division
114th Infantry Regiment
63rd Inf Group Brigade
3rd/C Division
3rd/A Division
16th Garrison Unit
18th Garrison Unit
21st/B Division
1st RTA/A Division
33rd Division
19th Division
1st RTA/B Division
19th Tank Regiment
1st RF Gun Battalion
28th Army
62nd JAAF AF Bn
15th Army
20th AA Regiment
47th Infantry Rgt /1

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Allied Ships Bombarding Babar
Allied Ships Bombarding Cam Ranh Bay
Allied Ships Bombarding Pagan

Even though our troops were tired, the naval bombardment plus the bombardments of the landing forces combined with the defenders' own weariness to secure Cam Ranh Bay! That Imperial unit to the west of CRB must have been on the road rather than the rail, as they did not arrive. Our Rgt was put ashore behind them and now they have reversed direction and are moving right into it. That could indicate that it's something as strong as a division. Recon will try to get a fix on it tomorrow, and one armoured unit will move to assist (both the defense and blocking the unit making it back to Saigon) while the other armored units move to Dalat along with the three fresh divisions.

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Ground combat at Cam Ranh Bay (64,72)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 8077 troops, 78 guns, 17 vehicles, Assault Value = 226

Defending force 41912 troops, 748 guns, 876 vehicles, Assault Value = 1488

Japanese ground losses:
55 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Assaulting units:
104th/A Division
104th/C Division
109th JAAF AF Bn
Cam Ranh Fortress
113th JAAF AF Bn

Defending units:
31st Infantry Division
776th Amphib Tank Battalion
711th Tank Battalion
2/6th Armoured Regiment
11th Airborne Division
1st Australian Division
706th Tank Battalion
5th Australian Division
1st Medium Regiment
109th Anti Tank Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment
57th Australian Lt AA Regiment

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Ground combat at Cam Ranh Bay (64,72)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12364 troops, 271 guns, 515 vehicles, Assault Value = 1488

Defending force 9777 troops, 93 guns, 29 vehicles, Assault Value = 221

Allied adjusted assault: 361

Japanese adjusted defense: 112

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Cam Ranh Bay !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), op mode(-), disruption(-), preparation(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3433 casualties reported
Squads: 55 destroyed, 48 disabled
Non Combat: 70 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 26 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 54 (49 destroyed, 5 disabled)
Vehicles lost 35 (35 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Allied ground losses:
49 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 36 (4 destroyed, 32 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
776th Amphib Tank Battalion
11th Airborne Division
2/6th Armoured Regiment
711th Tank Battalion
1st Australian Division
706th Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Division
5th Australian Division
109th Anti Tank Regiment
1st Medium Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment
57th Australian Lt AA Regiment

Defending units:
104th/A Division
104th/C Division
109th JAAF AF Bn
Cam Ranh Fortress
113th JAAF AF Bn

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Base forces will begin arriving at CRB as early as tomorrow but unloading will be slow. CV Franklin has arrived near Manado and will bypass that base to refuel at sea. She has only 2x DD for escort and so will join up with another carrier TF.

Tomorrow B-24 groups and B-25 groups from Watampone and Makassar will start reducing Soerabaja airfield.

Weather over Nagoya is predicted to be thunderstorms, probably as good as I can expect to get. A P-38J squadron (range = 16 hexes) will sweep Hamamatsu, just short of Nagoya. It the farthest they can reach. The B-29 groups from both Tinian and Saipan will target Manpower at Nagoya from 10,000 ft. Clear skies are predicted over their bases. 103 B-29-1 are ready for the mission.

The prize: Cam Ranh Bay.

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RE: 1944 June 26 - 4/15/2015 7:03:44 PM

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Ships reported sunk today. The LCI was sunk by 138 mm CD gun!

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RE: 1944 June 26 - 4/15/2015 7:04:03 PM

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The Intel screen. Strategic points are 0 so far, let's see what they are after the first strategic B-29 raid.

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RE: 1944 June 26 - 4/16/2015 12:26:17 AM

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You have done it...I wonder what Japan will do next? Me, I would panic,drink heavily, and wonder why in the world I didn't anticipate that attack better.

Don't go knobbly now, push hard, and then push even harder. The line is cracked, and initiative wholly yours!

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RE: 1944 June 26 - 4/16/2015 12:42:39 AM

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You have done it...I wonder what Japan will do next? Me, I would panic,drink heavily, and wonder why in the world I didn't anticipate that attack better.

Don't go knobbly now, push hard, and then push even harder. The line is cracked, and initiative wholly yours!

When I started planning this I thought that CRB would be a hard target, but that if I moved through the Sulu Sea region fast enough and then hit it with enough force I could grab it and Dalat, then hold them as a good airbase bastion. The primary objective was to block the sea route, and the secondary objective to block the land route. Now it appears that both are very achievable and then some. The break through via the Pegu operation is more extensive than I anticipated, and I think the same factors are resulting in the same situation for the CRB operation. That port is going to be very busy!

There are more than 3 divisions worth of additional infantry going in (some through Soc Trang) and more armour is on the way, all in addition to support troops. We should have enough to overwhelm the defense at Saigon/Ben Hoa/Kratie and the Phenom Penh/Kompong Trach line. I am seeing ~27,000 troops at Bangkok, up significantly. I don't know what they are or from which direction they came. Maybe the Singapore area is being drained of combat units with the realization that they would just sit there, trapped?

At any rate, this should be the last turn of battle SW of Toungoo, which means almost all those units head directly for Rangoon to take it both quickly and with least degradation of our own combat power. And that will free up a whole bunch of armored units that can move very quickly.

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RE: 1944 June 26 - 4/16/2015 10:07:47 AM

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Very nice to see Cam Ranh Bay fall so fast. I had not expected that. Mind you, I'm a noob, but still, from the very few engagements I had against the AI.... guess it was really undermanned.

I suppose you have a lot of engineers in transit, you'll surely build up that base a LOT. Do you plan to max the port too, or just the airbase and some forts?

It's rather hard for us reading the AAR to see exactly how many ground forces are arrayed where, but now you can probably stage a somewhat larger ground campaign in Thailand. Taking Bangkok would be really nice...

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RE: 1944 June 26 - 4/16/2015 2:37:34 PM

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Very nice to see Cam Ranh Bay fall so fast. I had not expected that. Mind you, I'm a noob, but still, from the very few engagements I had against the AI.... guess it was really undermanned.

I suppose you have a lot of engineers in transit, you'll surely build up that base a LOT. Do you plan to max the port too, or just the airbase and some forts?

It's rather hard for us reading the AAR to see exactly how many ground forces are arrayed where, but now you can probably stage a somewhat larger ground campaign in Thailand. Taking Bangkok would be really nice...

I was surprised too, as the the division attacking had somewhat high disruption. I only figured it was worth a shot and that it would fall the next day when the three fresh divisions attacked. I guess the defenders' own disruption plus the cumulative damage from the previous day did it. The ops mode penalty they got was probably just the engineering units getting ready to rail out (in case they got out before the landing) and probably didn't matter. They will all be caught at Dalat by three divisions plus armor and hopefully shattered there.

I have lots of base forces at sea but not many engineers. Less of a priority because the base is already big enough for serious use and there isn't a ton of aerial opposition so far. I suspect one factor is where DAW HQ has deployed Japan's air support resources. It might be that of the five bases I mentioned recently (Saigon, Ben Hoa, Kratie, Phenom Penh, Kompong Trach) that only Saigon or Saigon and one other have anything to support air units. The ones connected by rail to Bangkok could always fly and then rail out for repairs if they had to, but without support fewer of them fly to begin with.

Right now I'm just chomping at the bit over the sea distances involved and getting transport back to pick up those other divisions. The armor is on its way but from a little farther back and by slower transport. The first convoy that got hit by the kamikazes is mostly going to need to head back to Pearl for repairs. I don't remember specifically but at most a few ships will be used again right away, maybe none. The most badly damaged one that detached and waited for the port to be captured is heading in to unload but that will probably take long time due to ship damage + port damage.

As far as major ground forces, for now look back at the recent maps for orientation (going from memory): 4 divisions plus armor at CRB. 3 Rgts and either 3 or 4 armored units on the way to CRB. 1 division to assault Soc Trang, then 1 Div and 1 Rgt to land through Soc Trang preparing for Saigon. At that point the Div that will have taken Soc Trang will probably head for Phenom Penh.

2 Div on the road to Tavoy. 2 Div plus 1 Rgt on the road to Raehang, with 1 under-strength Bde and 3 Bn joining them to dislodge the road block. All the units you see in the recent combat just SW of Toungoo. All the units you see plus 2 more (total will be over 4,000 AV) at Rangoon as of tomorrow. More than half a dozen other Rgt and Bde sized units resting or chasing that cut off Imperial units now in the open near Prome. A bunch of additional Bns in important blocking positions or in garrison.

There is 1 Australian Div making its way back out of China. In China are 2 more Aus Div, 1 African Div, 2 Allied armored units, 1 commando unit (British I think), 1 Indian para unit, some anti tank units, maybe a little more but that's mostly it. I think I will be able to clear the road to Kunming perhaps in a week, maybe using 4EB support. Clearing Kunming itself is less certain so I hope having enemy units in Kunming does not cut the Burma Road. In fact, I'm not sure if the Japanese units between Kunming and Tsuyung (that I am trying to clear) cut the Burma Road or not. Does it need to be clear as far as Tsuyung or as far as Kunming? The rest of the Burma road will be clear as soon as Rangoon is captured (perhaps "and cleared").

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RE: 1944 June 26 - 4/16/2015 3:46:57 PM

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The greatest post ever on the Burma Road (guess who wrote it?)

OK, time for the definitive answer.

The "confusion" over the Burma Road is caused by:

(a) the manual being wrong in mentioning Ledo. There is only one path; Rangoon - Tsuyung. This is one of the very few instances where the manual is factually wrong.

(b) there was a bug which allowed the path to go cross country off road/rail. The bug has since been fixed so that only road/rail hexes between the two endpoints are taken into account.

(c) there is no message displayed to inform the Allied player that the Burma Road is closed. Michaelm subsequently introduced a message to inform the Allied player when the Burma Road is open.

There were also a few other small bugs which affected the presentation to the player of how it operated but those small bugs have been fixed.

The conditions for the Burma Road to be open and the benefits which then ensue are:

1. The Allied player must hold both Rangoon and Tsuyung.

2. A valid supply path along road/rail hexes only must be traceable between the two endpoints ie Rangoon and Tsuyung.

3. The path is cut when a hexside is enemy controlled. That requires the sole occupation by Japan of a relevant road/rail hex which automatically assigns all six hexsides to the enemy, or an enemy LCU entering an Allied occupied hex and the hexside through which the enemy unit entered thereby became enemy controlled.

4. In the official scenarios there are only 3 Burmese bases which have an Allied garrison requirement. Of these three, only Rangoon is on the Burma Road. Wherever a garrison requirement is not met, a supply path through that hex cannot be traced.

5. Each day the Burma Road is open there is an automatic delivery to Tsuyung of 500 supply points.

6. There is no start/cut off date for the Burma Road. On 7 December 1941 the conditions are met for the Burma Road to be open and therefore it is open with delivery of 500 supply points to Tsuyung. If subsequently closed, the delivery is stopped. If reopened again the delivery resumes.

There are several threads where devs explain how the Burma Road operates. Post #2 from this thread:

http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=2896243&mpage=1&key=Burma%2CRoad�

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I still think you should send those troops up the coast to Vinh...unless there is no PP for leaving China, maybe even if there is. You don't have to answer, as I understand your position.

No forts at Camh Ran Bay.

Hopefully, Japan has zillions of supply, and forts in the HI nest area and will really put up a struggle there. I am not so sure however, from looking at plane builds, but you never know. The Allied 4E bombing runs will yield a lot of information.

I would recon every small & big island I could north (east and west) of Luzon and start planning on grabbing them on the cheap while the opportunity lasts.

Of course, logistics is your enemy now, moreso than the Japanese.

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Re: Burma Road

Knew the Ledo bit.

Had forgotten Tsuyung vs Kunming - check! Frankly, Tsuyung makes much more sense, but I just didn't remember.

Knew about hex side control.

Knew about the garrison requirement. Anyway, I am more concerned about the (probably non-existent) threat of DAW HQ throwing some monkey wrench in by sacrificing one or two airborne units to plug the Road so I have at least one combat unit and fortifications of at least 3 at all bases there.

Also didn't recall about whether the code had been modified so that any enemy presence in a hex would stop the Burma Road - check! I have all the hex sides that matter and Rangoon base itself is the only thing left, so as soon as I capture it supply should start flowing.

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I still think you should send those troops up the coast to Vinh...unless there is no PP for leaving China, maybe even if there is. You don't have to answer, as I understand your position.

No forts at Camh Ran Bay. Hopefully, Japan has zillions of supply, and forts in the HI nest area and will really put up a struggle there. I am not so sure however, from looking at plane builds, but you never know. The Allied 4E bombing runs will yield a lot of information.

I would recon every small & big island I could north (east and west) of Luzon and start planning on grabbing them on the cheap while the opportunity lasts.

Of course, logistics is your enemy now, moreso than the Japanese.

I am pretty sure I will have at least something heading up that way. How much how soon is the real question. The first stuff will probably be the or some of the late-arriving armor. The stuff that's on land now has to close the biggest targets. If I dilute I won't get them. One more day of combat then the horde SW of Toungoo heads for Rangoon at full speed. The Provisional Armored unit (USA) will head through Moulmein down the road to Bangkok just to find the defenders there, meanwhile after the rest will take Rangoon all the armour will thunder after them, with infantry in various but hopefully overwhelming dispositions. The linkup of the two fronts around Bangkok will also cut the roads to the east before the Imperials traveling overland toward Chiang Mai can get to them.

I have a para unit preparing for Nakhon Rachisma (spelling wrong), to the east of Ayuthia (which is north of Bangkok) to cut that road. I don't know what's there and will not recon. What I will do is divert as much airlift as possible to get as much of the unit there as possible, and hit the place will all the air strikes within range. I assume, given the ripped open nature of the area, that the place has some type of support unit or a small combat unit. I did get a 'unit on the map' type hit there but no info. Haven't checked SigInt but I doubt it's relevant because it could change any day if he garrisons it to safeguard the withdrawal.

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According to SigInt the 3rd RTA/C Division has been there about forever and the 14th Tank Regiment has been there since early June and as recently as June 24. Hmm...

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And it looks as though the 19th Division is being flown into Bangkok.

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But only an airfield Bn at Ayuthia.

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The northern advance is probably more predictable, but how long will that tank Rgt be at Nakhon Ratchasima as the Allies storm up from the south, especially with a landing at Soc Trang?

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According to SigInt the 3rd RTA/C Division has been there about forever and the 14th Tank Regiment has been there since early June and as recently as June 24. Hmm...

Pretty common Japanese tactic, to break up a RTA division on Dec 7, 1941 to garrison those three clear terrain bases (of which Udon is another and the name of the third escapes me).

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