Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Your, what, 3 hexes to cover Chiang Mai? I think that is considered very far away for intercepting transports. Doable I believe. There was a formula posted, once upon a time, I seem to recall it being in Obvert/Joc game. Was is normal range divided by 3? Maybe normal range divided by 2?

The latest official patch also addressed the problem, but I never understood the fix as their is an abbreviation I don't understand (DT or DTs).

I don't think altitude matters when intercepting transports.

Perhaps you know more?

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ORIGINAL: witpqs
Hehe hehe - trade secret! Just kidding.

There are two ways that I know, one semi-direct and the other totally indirect.

First off, there are many dozen auxiliary types there, and there were even more a short time ago. More than 70 planes for search & recon... no way!

Add that to the situation, it is absolutely the thing to do - meaning get as many combat troops as possible out of pockets where they are being destroyed. That's the indirect way.

The semi-direct way is to add the first point (many auxiliaries) to the fact that I saw (in combat reports and/or SigInt reports) a fragment of the unit at Bangkok when the main unit was encircled at Rangoon. It's very safe to assume that the same thing is taking place with units at Chiang Mai now that several units have made it through the jungle to the base.

The 40% LRCAP of ~125 fighters (about 100 of them near best models) with excellent pilots should bag a bunch the first day to tell us the tale.

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Ground combat at Mergui (53,62)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 13796 troops, 249 guns, 337 vehicles, Assault Value = 437

Defending force 6690 troops, 82 guns, 11 vehicles, Assault Value = 92

Allied adjusted assault: 223

Japanese adjusted defense: 115

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), morale(-)
experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
384 casualties reported
Squads: 5 destroyed, 25 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 6 (2 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
22 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Vehicles lost 11 (3 destroyed, 8 disabled)

Assaulting units:
4th Burma Battalion
3rd Cavalry Regiment
11th PAVO Regiment
26th Indian Division

Defending units:
9th Infantry Regiment
112th Infantry Regiment
2nd INA Gandhi Regiment
311th Ship Eng Coy
8th JAAF AF Coy
8th Field Construction Battalion
91st JAAF AF Bn
9th JAAF AF Coy


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Ground combat at Pisanuloke (58,57)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 14008 troops, 229 guns, 435 vehicles, Assault Value = 365

Defending force 9849 troops, 99 guns, 73 vehicles, Assault Value = 218

Allied adjusted assault: 203

Japanese adjusted defense: 62

Allied assault odds: 3 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), morale(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
497 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 13 (2 destroyed, 11 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
165 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 16 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Vehicles lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Assaulting units:
3rd Carabiniers Regiment
150th RAC Regiment
Gardner's Horse Regiment
2nd British Division

Defending units:
3rd RTA Division
4th RTA Division
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
I./143rd Infantry Battalion
2nd RTA/C Division
Burma Area Army


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Ground combat at 61,50 (near Taung Gyi)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 9318 troops, 19 guns, 106 vehicles, Assault Value = 380

Defending force 2043 troops, 18 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 87

Allied adjusted assault: 412

Japanese adjusted defense: 94

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+)

Japanese ground losses:
652 casualties reported
Squads: 27 destroyed, 33 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 9 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
246 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 21 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 6 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
209th Cmbt Engineer Battalion
1st Burma Brigade
16th Light Cavalry Regiment
200th Chinese Division

Defending units:
2nd RTA/A Division


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Ground combat at 55,60 (near Tavoy)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 32961 troops, 353 guns, 1451 vehicles, Assault Value = 1429

Defending force 15946 troops, 108 guns, 57 vehicles, Assault Value = 482

Allied adjusted assault: 833

Japanese adjusted defense: 407

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3057 casualties reported
Squads: 214 destroyed, 24 disabled
Non Combat: 59 destroyed, 80 disabled
Engineers: 7 destroyed, 5 disabled
Guns lost 27 (16 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Vehicles lost 61 (50 destroyed, 11 disabled)
Units retreated 5

Allied ground losses:
588 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 59 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 19 (2 destroyed, 17 disabled)
Vehicles lost 70 (2 destroyed, 68 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
255th Indian Tank Brigade
50th Tank Brigade
254th Armoured Brigade
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
18th Cavalry Regiment
Provisionl Tank Brigade
192nd Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
82nd (West African) Division

Defending units:
38th/A Division
4th Tank Regiment
64th Inf Group Brigade
7th RTA/C Division
7th RTA/A Division


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Ground combat at Bien Hoa (61,70)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 35585 troops, 556 guns, 706 vehicles, Assault Value = 1350

Defending force 16842 troops, 162 guns, 31 vehicles, Assault Value = 317

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 0

Allied adjusted assault: 612

Japanese adjusted defense: 303

Allied assault odds: 2 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Bien Hoa !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), preparation(-), fatigue(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2720 casualties reported
Squads: 237 destroyed, 55 disabled
Non Combat: 168 destroyed, 30 disabled
Engineers: 33 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 75 (68 destroyed, 7 disabled)
Vehicles lost 23 (23 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 11

Allied ground losses:
332 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 41 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 5 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
11th Airborne Division
1st Australian Division
711th Tank Battalion
706th Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Division
2/6th Armoured Regiment
5th Australian Division
1st Medium Regiment
2nd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
33rd Division
17th Ind.Mixed Brigade
2nd Ind.Mixed Brigade
47th Infantry Regiment
104th/A Div /1
113th JAAF AF Bn
12th Base Force
23rd AA Regiment
104th/C Div /1
109th JAAF AF Bn
33rd Army /1


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Ground combat at 63,65 (near Pakse)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 468 troops, 0 guns, 64 vehicles, Assault Value = 90

Defending force 1072 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 1

Allied adjusted assault: 18

Japanese adjusted defense: 13

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
23 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
2/11th Armoured Car Regiment

Defending units:
28th Air Flotilla


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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

You have sunk nearly double the number of his ships vs. your own losses, and got double the points! Most excellent work!

Now if you can get double the number of LCU points over losses - should only require destruction of 80 divisions or so.

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ORIGINAL: Drakanel

Nice progress all around. I really like that you will be able to cut off the road/railrod near Bangkok as soon as your troops march there!

I am a bit puzzled by the troops moving to the northeast road from Chang Mai. Where can he possibly go from there? The road to china is blocked, I can see your troops in the upper right corner of the map. Crossing the mountain/jungles doesn't seem feasible. Perhaps he just want to avoid being encircled, and so he positions something in that hex?

Also... about BB Washington, how far is she from the safety of Cam Ranh Bay?

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At Chiang Mai I think he is just spreading out the withdrawal so the whole army doesn't get trapped in one spot.
I would have to check the stacking limits on the countryside hexes up there but there are still around 85,000 troops (by recon) in and heading to Chiang Mai.
If they all got stuck in the same hex all supply would vaporize.
Basically, they've got to escape and using multiple avenues is almost mandatory for supply and for keeping alternate routes open if/when I succeed in blocking other routes.
I do think I will be able to trap them because I have enough air power to keep slowing their movement, while my troops will not be subject to the same level of harassment.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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At Chiang Mai I think he is just spreading out the withdrawal so the whole army doesn't get trapped in one spot.
I would have to check the stacking limits on the countryside hexes up there but there are still around 85,000 troops (by recon) in and heading to Chiang Mai.
If they all got stuck in the same hex all supply would vaporize.
Basically, they've got to escape and using multiple avenues is almost mandatory for supply and for keeping alternate routes open if/when I succeed in blocking other routes.
I do think I will be able to trap them because I have enough air power to keep slowing their movement, while my troops will not be subject to the same level of harassment.

Don't forget it is monsoon season and the effects of Malaria zone ... I believe Monsoon sucks up more supplies?
An unintended consequence is the random disabled squad and destroyed squad made worse by the lack of supplies ...

I have seen this movie before and it is not pretty for the IJ ... things go downhill rather quickly ..

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By cutting off Chiang Mai there are no supplies going in anyway.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

First an aside - I don't use a mine sweeping task force anymore for most operations because the defense's guns just sink them all! I put mine sweeping assets in the invasion TFs instead. That does mean the minefields are around longer and have to be swept once the base is captured (defense guns don't fire on them when it's your own base), but the alternative is to start running out of mine sweepers.

I don't use 'follow'; I just order each TF by itself! Takes longer, might forget one, and I'm sure it's not foolproof either.

In the Marianas scenario where there are Amphib, CVE and ASW TFs to coordinate I just used the speed of the slowest TFs (amphib) to determine how many hexes it would move during the turn and set all the TFs to go to the hex that it would end up in. Exception: one ASW TF goes one hex further to "sweep" ahead of the rest. As witpqs said, it means giving orders to each TF each turn but when they are clustered together it is easy to do. I monitor fuel states and do a "Refuel TF at Sea" if needed before determining where the slowest TF will end up.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

Any paratroopers left? Vientiane might be empty. Then again, your tanks and armored cars will move very fast.

This is just really ugly to watch.

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ORIGINAL: BBfanboy

And in a reprise of Dec. 1941, units retreating down the Malay peninsula are just trapping themselves for later disposal. Payback's awesome when you are the one delivering ...

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

That begs the question: How hard should Japan defend Singers, and how hard should the Allies divert to take Singers?

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

That begs the question: How hard should Japan defend Singers, and how hard should the Allies divert to take Singers?

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

That begs the question: How hard should Japan defend Singers, and how hard should the Allies divert to take Singers?

If I might comment ...

Singapore is a huge IJ point bastion the denominator in the VP formula .. thus the Allies have to gain X2 to equal that in IJ destroyed things ..
Thus the IJ might think about putting enough in Singapore to discourage the Allies ..

What I have found in my limited experience is if the Allies pull of a Burma Blitzkrieg .. Singapore becomes a refugee camp .. a well fortified and supplied refugee camp ..

In my opinion .. The nuance of refineries not providing 10% supply becomes a factor vs. stock becomes a huge factor ..

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Interesting. Our posts crossed, but see the second option I am looking at.
Regardless of which option I go with, the SEAC and SWPac 4EB will destroy the industry at Hong Kong/Canton,
and at Singapore. Whatever else is identified that can supply Singapore will also be targeted.
............
If I go with the second option then maybe the delay getting down the peninsula will see supply in Singapore greatly diminished.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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Interesting. Our posts crossed, but see the second option I am looking at.
Regardless of which option I go with, the SEAC and SWPac 4EB will destroy the industry at Hong Kong/Canton,
and at Singapore. Whatever else is identified that can supply Singapore will also be targeted.
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If I go with the second option then maybe the delay getting down the peninsula will see supply in Singapore greatly diminished.

It would be interesting if your opponent decided to start hording [Stockpiling in game terms] supplies at Singapore or just let them propagate up the peninsula.
If the latter than Singapore might have just the X2 minimum to play out a siege ..

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Or he is simply getting short on supplies?