Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: MechFO

Just as a general comment, you will have to adjust Armament production as well to account for the 251/1 using vehicle production and the Pz Gren MG now using Armament points. You will also have to factor the extra swap of Infantry Squads...which is very expensive.

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ORIGINAL: TAIL_GUNNER

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ORIGINAL: MechFO

Just as a general comment, you will have to adjust Armament production as well to account for the 251/1 using vehicle production and the Pz Gren MG now using Armament points. You will also have to factor the extra swap of Infantry Squads...which is very expensive.

I think the 251/1 is misrepresented within the stock game. It is a strength of 11 men, and 3 HMGs of which two are mounted.
This would suggest to me that it is supposed to represent an armored HMG section with 2 HMGs with 5 men per HMG. The 11th man is the leader of the section.
However, the TOEs do not treat it as such. The 41 Panzer Division has just one armored company of PanzerGrenadiers (9 squads). This should require only two armored HMG troops, so the allocation of the 251/1 should be just 1. However, in the game there are 4 designated in the TOE.
In 1942 the allocation per PanzerGrenadier company does indeed jump up to 4 HMGs (and thus a requirement of two 251/1s), but the stock 42a Panzer Division requirement is double this.
Rather than try to sort out that mess, I opted to make a unit that is created "on the fly" like the PanzerGrenadier squad. It has the same Build Cost as the original 251/1 so I don't forsee a problem unless I am overlooking something.

Regarding the infantry squad updates in 1942, yes, that was a mistake. I overlooked the huge Armament cost that would of caused. The next version will not have the 1942 update, so the Rifle Grenades will be back. It's a pity you have to scrap a whole squad's worth of weapons just to add one new weapon...but it is what it is.

Thanks for the comments,
ChadG

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What you are overlooking is that vehicles use supply for production, not armament points.

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Good point about the 251/1's...I never noticed that they had that many men in them. I always thought they were supposed to represent the platoon leader/company cmdr HT's which otherwise are not represented in the game, though for that they have at least 1 MG too many.

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If you are scrapping the update I would also think about adding back 1-2 MPi. There were too many for 41, but during 42 their allocation steadily increased.

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EDIT: Another good ideas is to give the German Inf Divs their proper Artillery TOE from 42 onward. Right now they are missing a quarter.

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ORIGINAL: TAIL_GUNNER

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If you are scrapping the update I would also think about adding back 1-2 MPi. There were too many for 41, but during 42 their allocation steadily increased.

There was usually an extra MPi stowed on the SPWs....I'll include those for the armored troops at the least.

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ORIGINAL: kg_1007

I have played around some with this mod. As you said, this game is great for "tinkerers" and I love that aspect, as much , sometimes more, than actually playing.
I have a question regarding something you brought up early on in this thread, the attachable panzer regiments.
I loved the idea, and have played with it some, but it seems that in most tests I am doing, the panzer divisions created as a division, plus an attached panzer regiment, for the most part seem to be losing MP as the game wears along into late summer '41...while same divisions, but all entire as one piece, for the most part keep 50MP...so I am curious if you have seen results like this, and if perhaps something about the attached regiment ends up raisign fatigue so high to cost movement points(that is the main culprit I see thus far, is the "combined" divisions are showing more fatigue, even simply from moving, than the "original" divisions, even if the "original" divisions have been in action more.

By the way..GREAT mod.