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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 5/30/2012 11:20:04 PM   
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R2:
Things are good in R2 for MEUS. Bolt slowly weakens, two new startups launch, one fails but one starts to grow. Windshear Air proves a good partner to have in New Zealand. F27 and Super VC10 planes are removed from service.

Prism struggles to survive in Taiwan as a regional airline (less than 100 passangers per plane). A new startup launches in Taiwan, but looks towards longer haul flights, so no problems there.

R4:
A new airline starts in Egypt, no problem as Prism has all domestic routes sewn up and long haul is up for grabs.

R5, R6, O2:
Meus feels a little unloved. The management board are doing very little. At least the R5 fleet is slowly having old types phased out.


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WAR WAR WAR WAR!
R4:
For some strange reason Nippon Kokusai decide to start making accusations and veiled threats despite Meus keeping clearly away from Okinawa, as previously claimed by Nippon Kokusai. Meus really doesn't understand what the issue was for this lastest accusation; no idea at all. Anyway, NK now have a reason to get annoyed, as 80 new planes are assigned to fly out of Okinawa. About 50 of these will compete directly with Nippon Kokusai. Market research reveals NK was charging high prices. It now promises to play clever games involving undercutting strategies that will defeat MEUS' auto-pricing. Whether this true remains to be clear.

[ps ps I feel mean targeting a seemingly friendly 16 year-old who posts thoughtful intelligent stuff on the Airline Empire forums. I am at a loss how this got started and can back out of this challenge a bit if we can find some common ground.]

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 5/31/2012 2:41:33 AM   
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[ps ps I feel mean targeting a seemingly friendly 16 year-old who posts thoughtful intelligent stuff on the Airline Empire forums. I am at a loss how this got started and can back out of this challenge a bit if we can find some common ground.]


16 yr olds are full of piss and vinegar. I am doubtful for a peaceful resolution.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 5/31/2012 4:01:17 PM   
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Huge bin dump 84 747s
Also dC-10-30

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 5/31/2012 7:50:47 PM   
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16 yr olds are full of piss and vinegar. I am doubtful for a peaceful resolution.


There was no peaceful resolution, though it wasn't the other airlines fault. I just over did the whole competition thing and now there is one less airline in the world.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 5/31/2012 10:11:18 PM   
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16 yr olds are full of piss and vinegar. I am doubtful for a peaceful resolution.


There was no peaceful resolution, though it wasn't the other airlines fault. I just over did the whole competition thing and now there is one less airline in the world.


Ya big bully.



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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/2/2012 11:29:16 AM   
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LM Airlines (in Germany) and Virgin Australia (Australia) have been losing planes to the repo bin in R2.

More of your handiwork (Virgin) Mobeer, or just another innocent bystander run over on your climb up the ladder?

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/2/2012 12:41:54 PM   
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LM Airlines (in Germany) and Virgin Australia (Australia) have been losing planes to the repo bin in R2.

More of your handiwork (Virgin) Mobeer, or just another innocent bystander run over on your climb up the ladder?


Oh dear, I seem to be getting a reputation...

Not me this time - last time I looked Virgin Australia was growing quite nicely, with lots of flights from Perth. Looks like the owner decided to concentrate on other airlines and left Virgin Australia with a bunch of new planes sitting idle.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/2/2012 2:41:20 PM   
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LM Airlines (in Germany) and Virgin Australia (Australia) have been losing planes to the repo bin in R2.

More of your handiwork (Virgin) Mobeer, or just another innocent bystander run over on your climb up the ladder?


Oh dear, I seem to be getting a reputation...

Not me this time - last time I looked Virgin Australia was growing quite nicely, with lots of flights from Perth. Looks like the owner decided to concentrate on other airlines and left Virgin Australia with a bunch of new planes sitting idle.


I'm sure however that you will not dawdle to fill in the routes that Virgin has/will soon be leaving unflown.


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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/5/2012 2:08:02 AM   
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Attention all US based alliance members in R2.......the following airlines are now on the hit list. Song and Midway. We are commencing operations as of this time. Jump any route you can find. If any of you outside the US members trip over a route, please feel free to clobber it. Also it is open season on Transair in the US.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/5/2012 8:03:48 PM   
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As information Pan Am [player 1160 as there are several Pan Am's] is shedding planes ((L-1011-500)) into the bin.

The airline is gated out of: SAN, CHS, and GUM.

Currently ranked 124th.



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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/7/2012 12:35:33 AM   
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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/7/2012 12:54:42 AM   
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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/7/2012 8:08:42 PM   
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Saw the following item in "Airline News" for the R2 world:


Northern Bird has started a new alliance called Golden Alliance.

LOL


So now that he has roamed around the board irritating everyone he encounters, he creates an alliance?
Does he actually think that anyone would want to join?


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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/7/2012 11:10:07 PM   
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more likely no-one else wants him and so he forms an alliance to get the ratings boost from having alliance routes?

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/7/2012 11:30:11 PM   
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Perhaps, although I was under the impression that the full alliance bonus does not kick in until the alliance has reached 600 unique destinations. I doubt that he is anywhere close to that or ever will approach 600 destinations. He doesn't fly any planes with Å range greater than a 737.

Meanwhile I have more 747's then anyone else in the R2 world, am sending them to destinations with as few as 125-150 passengers, and I am currently going to about 431 destinations.

I think People's is probably the only person in he game right now hitting more than 600.

Peoples is flying to 938.
Hispanavia is flying to 534.



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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/8/2012 3:50:12 PM   
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Anyone in R2 who has routes out of IAH should check their routes.

ATA (formerly WOW, in the US) has dropped 800+ passengers worth of flights on at least two of my bigger routes there.
These are routes with multiple airlines already on them.

IMHO ATA is climbing up the list of possible targets.

Also, I have noticed that Song has on a number of routes simply now matched my fare where I dropped it, rather than dropping g further.

Not sure if this was an attempt at a truce or something. No notes from him
I am continuing to undercut him and (and his other airline MIdway) and dropping onto any of their solo routes I find.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/9/2012 11:12:11 AM   
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Fascinating thread.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/10/2012 9:17:32 PM   
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Since R5 is coming to an end, a recap on PRISM (formerly MEUS)

Founded April 1973. Valued no.1 in the world for 2 years whilst operating up to 2094 planes. A later major restructuring and renaming shrank the airline to a fraction of its former self, as the new owners disliked the use of jets.


In its final days, operated 477 aircraft:

378 CL-44 Yukon, average 17 years old
11 L-188A Electra, average 19 years old
24 Short 330, average 16 years old
64 S-61 Sea King, average 3 years old

Total value around 468bn, including 466bn cash
Ranked 10th or 11th most valuable airline in the world


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ps Bolt gave up in R2 - a bad day for the citizens of Australia, as MEUS prices rose in the absence of competition.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/11/2012 3:34:11 AM   
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I think you mean O2 Meus.........that world is about to end. LOL

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/11/2012 5:19:27 PM   
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Several significant developments in R2 world:

The used plane bin is overflowing. Over 2200 planes.
At one point there were nearly 350 747s for sale. There are nearly 350 727-200Adv's as well.

I have spent over $9 billion the last two months in acquiring planes.

He overflow has thus far been attributed by me to the following reasons-
Amersea, ranked 10 in the world and fearsome competitor on long haul routes from S. Korea to the US pulled the plug

Hispanavia, ranked #2 in he world has significantly cuts its fleet size (and presumably it's routes).

Carnival has lost a large amount of planes to the repo bin. I had the opportunity to step in and fill demand for passengers left wanting to fly.

Still currently ranked 3rd in R2.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/12/2012 6:10:40 AM   
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Dixie, check in with dealings with TAP in Portugal and Luxi in Belgium.......TAP has requested membership and Luxi is a potential recruit. We are trying to find you some quality partners to conquer Europe with and also some nearby backup if needed.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/12/2012 10:46:05 AM   
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Guys,

Just a general question. Would you say that your experience as dedicated wargamers gives you an advantage in Airline Empires?

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/12/2012 1:59:48 PM   
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Yes......Well, at least when I played I could stare at a screen for hours plotting and counterplotting my moves. Comes from playing Campaign for North Africa and the Europa series...Patience was and is a virtue in those games

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/12/2012 3:08:14 PM   
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Guys,

Just a general question. Would you say that your experience as dedicated wargamers gives you an advantage in Airline Empires?

Best wishes,
Steve


As for me, the answer would be a resounding "Yes".

Our alliance in this game is unique as we assist each other, we circle the wagons when an alliance member is attacked by someone and we coordinate our retaliation against them. When we see weakness in another airline we will often coordinate strikes against them so as to take over their routes and weaken them or knock them out of the game altogether. When one player sees an opportunity that they cannot personally exploit, they will often times make another alliance member aware of it, so that they, and the alliance benefits, rather than someone else. To a certain extent, this has generated a level of respect (or fear) to where some airlines will avoid tangling with us so as not to incur our collective wrath.

2ndACR can speak better to this as he has communications with some long time AE game players and they have taken notice of us.

Nearly all other alliance are just a way to gain a bonus in the game, but no other alliance (I am told) works together like ours does.

Our war gaming background has instilled things like coordination, planning, strategizing, intelligence gathering, and (for some of us) patience, when appropriate.


Our core alliance member approach his game differently from most AE players.
THe result speak for themselves.

In most of the game worlds we participate in, we dominate.
There are multiple game worlds where we have 2-4 alliance members in the top 10 player rankings; often more than any other alliance. This despite those other alliance having 2-3 times as many members.
Our alliance is normally ranked in the top 2 or 3 for alliances in each game world.

I only became aware of, and started playing this game in February 2012.
Most of our core alliance members have only started playing this year as well.
We compete against players who have been playing this for several years.



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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/12/2012 4:16:08 PM   
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Guys,

Just a general question. Would you say that your experience as dedicated wargamers gives you an advantage in Airline Empires?

Best wishes,
Steve


As for me, the answer would be a resounding "Yes".

Our alliance in this game is unique as we assist each other, we circle the wagons when an alliance member is attacked by someone and we coordinate our retaliation against them. When we see weakness in another airline we will often coordinate strikes against them so as to take over their routes and weaken them or knock them out of the game altogether. When one player sees an opportunity that they cannot personally exploit, they will often times make another alliance member aware of it, so that they, and the alliance benefits, rather than someone else. To a certain extent, this has generated a level of respect (or fear) to where some airlines will avoid tangling with us so as not to incur our collective wrath.

2ndACR can speak better to this as he has communications with some long time AE game players and they have taken notice of us.

Nearly all other alliance are just a way to gain a bonus in the game, but no other alliance (I am told) works together like ours does.

Our war gaming background has instilled things like coordination, planning, strategizing, intelligence gathering, and (for some of us) patience, when appropriate.


Our core alliance member approach his game differently from most AE players.
THe result speak for themselves.

In most of the game worlds we participate in, we dominate.
There are multiple game worlds where we have 2-4 alliance members in the top 10 player rankings; often more than any other alliance. This despite those other alliance having 2-3 times as many members.
Our alliance is normally ranked in the top 2 or 3 for alliances in each game world.

I only became aware of, and started playing this game in February 2012.
Most of our core alliance members have only started playing this year as well.
We compete against players who have been playing this for several years.




We've got four members in the top 10 in one world, compared to the size of the alliance this is probably a greater percentage of members than any other grouping.

I ran into a problem with another airline attempting to cut in on my routes, with help from the other guys (scouting out his routes, attacking his routes I couldn't and also letting others know when decent planes were available in the used market) the other guy went from top 50 to non-entity in less than a year. Even though I was isolated by being the only member in Europe the direct and indirect assistance from the alliance helped push me from around 30th to 4th position.

The other alliances are just a bunch of players doing their own thing under one banner, think of the Axis powers in WW2, an alliance in name only.
We'll share routes and info. If there are a bunch of almost new planes on the market that one of us doesn't use then that info gets shared so someone from the alliance can use those planes and get stronger.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/12/2012 9:15:09 PM   
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I would say we maybe have more practice at comparing statistics between units, after a long time spent comparing ratings in wargames. Maybe we have more practice also at picking strategies that take a while to come to fruition rather than wanting immediate success.

As far as alliances go, I find it best to ruthlessly exploit the other airlines, then lie about my self-sacrificing behaviour. Obviously things are going well.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/12/2012 9:46:41 PM   
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Anyone doing the special world without leasing?

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/13/2012 12:05:55 AM   
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I considered it, and the concept intrigues me. But I have too many airlines, in too many worlds, and not enough time to manage what I already have.

SO I think I will have to take a pass.

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/13/2012 12:21:35 AM   
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It's difficult.....I'll say that much

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RE: Airline Empire AAR - 6/13/2012 1:54:14 AM   
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Yes, Airline Empires is a lot like war gaming. You have to plan, you can over extend and get crushed.

When we first arrived on scene, Speedy tangled with a old timer, then all the old timers started checking us out, we always have a group online at the same time, in basically a month real time, we had 3-4 airlines in the top 20 ranks in our world. I had to point out to them that overall, the game was not that hard. For us, who play mega war games, it is quite easy. Over time, we have been accepted and other alliances are actually trying to adjust to our play style. As stated, some players actively avoid us at all costs. Others tempt fate.

Some old time players I have contact with, actively work with us in game even though in another alliance just so we don't go out of our way to hurt them too. We call these working agreements. We try to work with them and such and they do so with us. We send them war alerts as a heads up we are on the hunt and they might get hit and to roll with the punches instead of trying to fight back against us.

We are the only alliance that works as a true alliance. As stated above, we are the elite. We are ranked number 1 in 2 worlds, both of these worlds, I have not entered in months.......We are ALWAYS in top 2-3 spots in alliance rankings even with 4-5 members. We have some growing pains at times, we are now admitting non-Matrix members and it is taking some work. Overall, most have worked out very well. One former member from 1 world is a major pain in our butt in another, we extended the hand and he looked at it, that hand is now slapping him across the face every chance we get.

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