Lokasenna
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
Right, the gloves are off. You do not know what you are saying for the answers have been provided and yet you continue to ask thoughtless questions which demonstrate a lack of knowledge. Let's begin with dealing with the following 4 points you made.
They obviously haven't been made clear enough...or pursuant to your response below, maybe you weren't clear because I wasn't asking the right questions?
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
In post #44 under "Air Unit Upgrades" I gave you a step by step process as to how it is done. Yet again you repeat it doesn't work. Your silence regarding the exact steps you have taken is conclusive evidence that you have not even attempted to follow the correct procedure which I outlined step by step. Whose fault is that?
I thought it was implied that I had done what you (and the manual) said. Also, you're confusing conclusive evidence with circumstantial evidence - circumstantial is incorrect in its implications as often as it is correct.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
3. They clearly do, when all the ships have available upgrades. The day my CV TF arrived in port, all the ships were taken out of commission for upgrades. So lesson learned - turn upgrades off until I want to do them.
Again in post #47 I said quite unequivocally, in response to your own earlier inaccurate statement, that ship upgrades do not cause task forces to disband. Don't utter such rubbish that "they clearly do", there are newbies present who may be misled. Where in the manual do you find any evidence to support your false assertion.
Then obviously, if it wasn't that, something else caused the entire TF that was not set to auto-disband to disband and every single ship to begin refitting.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
How ships upgrade is dealt with in s.14.1.1 of the manual. The manual makes it quite clear to anyone who purports to have read it, that there is more involved to effecting an upgrade than just having a ship in port. Next you will be complaining that a ship is not undergoing an upgrade even though it is disbanded in a port.
I'm well aware of the shipyard size requirements as well, thanks. I have read that section. It also says in the UI what the requirements are.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
If you really knew what a TOE is and what it represents in this game, you would not again be asking this thoughtless question about individual device upgrades. In a LCU, it is the TOE which upgrades, not devices. If you really knew anything rather than having an ego that makes you believe you know, you would have been asking what are the conditions necessary for a TOE to change.
So you didn't give me the answer because of semantics, because I asked what the conditions are for a LCU's devices to upgrade instead of "how does a TOE change"? I realize the help here is volunteer only. Fine - what are the conditions for a TOE to change?
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
Now let's consider this quote from you.
If I ask twice, it is because I read the responses (often having already tried the suggested solution) and the problem remains unresolved.
Not only have I been playing this game far longer than you have and have a good grasp on the game mechanics, as my reputation on the forum will testify, but when I post a step by step solution to a problem put up by a newbie, I first rehearse the steps to ensure that it will work. I know for a fact that the steps I outlined in post #44 do work because I did them immediately before I penned that post. So you claiming that the problem remains unresolved means either that you did not attempt to do them (thereby placing in doubt the veracity of your statement) or you failed to carry them out exactly as presented. With whom would the fault therefore lie that the problem remains unresolved?
And I appreciate you checking the methods first - I do the same, and everyone should, when answering questions (elsewhere for me, obviously). But it hasn't worked. See below screenshots, which I obviously need to post every time I have a question or no one will believe that I've already tried what they said. I suppose that's not a bad policy for preempting situations like this.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
Now the story regarding VF-6 is altered. Like many with inflated egos, only some of the facts to a problem are presented, and yet the forum is expected to guess the solution without being made privy to all the relevant facts.
More insults and disparagement...
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
My earlier comments regarding aircraft upgrades still stand. Even though you now claim to have "manually upgraded at least a dozen other air units" this claim carries no evidentiary weight as to your competency.
The problem you have clearly identified in earlier posts with VF-6 is an inability to change the upgrade path from the currently scheduled F4F-3 to your desired F4F-4. Whether you have in the past manually upgraded other units is a non sequitur (you are obviously au fait with web browser translation services for me not to need to explain the meaning of these foreign terms). There is only one button which needs to be clicked if one wants to manually upgrade to the preset scheduled upgrade. There are many more buttons involved in first changing the preset scheduled upgrade path. Those steps have been outlined and you have failed to demonstrate that you have followed them.
Ignoring your rage and the unwarranted insults for now, see screenshots below. What am I doing wrong?
With VF-6, my story has never altered. I changed it how? It's stuck on F4F-3A airframes and always has been. I left click (which is what it says to do in the "FM", Bullwinkle, and what you said will do it, Alfred) on the F4F-4 airframe and it brings up the Aircraft Data screen - which is what the manual says right clicking will do. At this point...do I have a UI bug? Or do I need to find some F4F-3 airframes somewhere and upgrade to them first (which seems silly)? Or do I need to wait for 27 F4F-4 airframes to be in the pool? The "and requires 27 planes to upgrade" line at the top has never stopped me from upgrading other air units (admittedly ones for which I did not need to change the path, but why should that matter?). Posting screenshots - I did exactly what you posted both before and after you posted it.
 
Then I left click on F4F-4 Wildcat and it brings up  . What am I missing here? If it's just that the UI won't let me change the ugprade path unless there are enough (27) planes in the pool...
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
The clear inference to be drawn is that my posts were written in unclear english. Interesting as no one else on the forum has ever implied that; in fact if any comment is made by others it is usually quite in contradiction to your own view. Oh by the way, I do hope you appreciated the use of the semi colon in the preceding sentence, nowaday such a greatly underused grammatical device.
I was just wondering, as the responses from highly respected members of online communities and help desks don't generally contain language insulting the intelligence of the people posting for help in their responses. By the way, it's "nowadays" if you want to start being picky. And "English". And that's not what a non sequitur is. I realize you're trying to satire what you incorrectly assume is an obsession with correctness on my part... But none of this is relevant.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
There are some, not many, who respond to newbies with RTF manual. If lucky they will point out to the newbie some generic sections. I never do that. Instead I clinically direct people to relevant sections of the manual and then usually provide a summary of the relevant factors. Doing so enables people to read the source document and my explanation. It is therefore easy for them to assess the accuracy of my comments.
To imply that I merely told you to RTF manual is quite a misrepresentation of post #44. I did no such thing. Nor did I say the manual was easy to read, if it were so there would have been absolutely no need for me to have made the detailed comments I did make in that post. I would however maintain that a careful reading of the manual alone would suffice. Afterall, it is what I largely did when I was learning how to play the game. However, as indicated above, it was and remains clear to me that you have at best, a tenuous grasp on what is contained in the manual.
As I have previously stated, your approach is much appreciated. Do I need to take pictures of me reading the manual as well?
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
As to the supply draw, I see no point in jumping into that swamp when important information, such as which version of the game you play, has not been provided. I'm not prepared to second guess you, particularly when the subject has been discussed previously in other threads. You are aware that one can search the forum for previously given answers?
That's fine, I'm beginning to figure it out on my own.
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
The link to the logistics thread was provided in post #47 because you specifically asked in your post #46 "what is the level of supplies required for upgrades to occur? 16.4.1 of the manual doesn't give a number." Again if you had read the relevant sections of the manual and my comments provided to you in post #44, you would have realised just how out of touch that question is. The relevant applicable concept is how much supply does it cost to take on replacements. The logistics thread I directed you to answered that. Silly me to try to second guess what you really meant and provide you with what would be of real benefit to you.
Ok, so with this clarification (or is it?), do upgrades "just happen" then, so long as the supplies required for replacements are available?
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ORIGINAL: Alfred
No one who answers newbies on this forum gets paid for doing so. Some of us expend more effort and time in answering than the questioner has expended on their own behalf. It does not behove a newbie to present themselves as lazy, incapable of coping with detail and with an ego that interferes with their understanding of answers given. You can play the game anyway you like but you have no right to reiterate bone headed questions which can cause confusion to others when correct answers have already been provided.
Alfred
Ego this, ego that. I thought I made it very clear that, being a nub, I don't know all that much. I've learned a lot from the answers here, particularly yours. As for the English, it wasn't that what you were saying was unclear - I was just wondering if the general high-handedness was the result of speaking multiple languages or intended.
I thought I was being polite and I come back to more insults, though not so subtly couched this time. I didn't insult you, so why the venom? Silly me for thinking I could come to the online community for a game I enjoy, ask questions in a polite and respectful manner, and expect to get polite and respectful responses. Was it wrong of me to assume this? It would appear so. 
For the record, I am running 1.0.6.1108r9 - the latest official, no?
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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
You don't know it yet, but your post here is the funniest of the week. You get a prize.
Is it an underhanded putdown? Because I suspect that, as happens in other areas, my methods of investigation and interrogation are the cause of these "howlers" - we're talking past each other. Forgive me for not knowing which terminology to use so that I can ask questions with the proper semantics. I'm only a newbie, after all. But if you don't have an answer to the question (even if it's just "look at section x.y.z in the manual"), why post at all?
< Message edited by Lokasenna -- 4/7/2012 8:54:21 PM >
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RE: Longtime lurker with Noob Questions - 
. IIRC it does say right on there about available dates, I was wondering whether it showed its production rates once it became available or whether I need to wait until it becomes available to find out how quickly I get the new plane. 
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