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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 11/30/2015 5:30:21 PM

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Jackie Stewart rooting for Rosberg in 2016:

https://uk.sports.yahoo.com/news/stewart-hopes-rosberg-title-off-hamilton-121448643--finance.html

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Hahaha - had to laugh at that. I haven't even bothered to read what the silly old duffer has to say. Couldn't be anything to do with the fact that if Lewis were to win No.4, then Stewart would no longer be the most successful British champion per chance???

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/10/2015 6:19:15 PM

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Another Lewis Hamilton fan (not):

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/12/former-f1-star-eviscerates-lewis-hamilton-for-behaving-like-a-spoiled-child

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/10/2015 7:41:22 PM

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I met Jackie Stewart. I can state he was a true gentleman on that occasion. And he was really entertaining to be with, albeit for 15 minutes. I have not met Hamilton, so I can say nothing regarding personal observations.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/11/2015 4:01:24 PM

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Another Lewis Hamilton fan (not):

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/12/former-f1-star-eviscerates-lewis-hamilton-for-behaving-like-a-spoiled-child

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Given the way that Villeneuve acted from time to time - and the run ins he had with the FIA - then clearly the words throw, in, stones, people, glass-houses, shouldn't springs to mind

There are some ex-world champions worth listening to. Jacques Villeneuve is not one of them.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/12/2015 1:05:57 AM

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Ha, ha...Warspite...you are one funny guy. You should change your avatar to Lewis Hamilton for being such a fanboy for him! So which is #1?...HMS Warspite or Lewis Hamilton?

So far we have Stewart and now Villeneuve...what will you do if the Queen disses him?

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/12/2015 6:02:35 AM

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Ha, ha...Warspite...you are one funny guy. You should change your avatar to Lewis Hamilton for being such a fanboy for him! So which is #1?...HMS Warspite or Lewis Hamilton?

So far we have Stewart and now Villeneuve...what will you do if the Queen disses him?

warspite1

I think you misunderstand. As I have said to you before, I really don't care a jot what you or anyone else thinks of him from a personal point of view; that is naturally important to you, but is totally irrelevant as far as I am concerned, and my appreciation of him as a driver.

As a racing driver, I do care and will state my case.

Re Stewart, I massively respect the guy - overcoming his dyslexia, the safety campaigning and the not inconsiderable talent it took to win three world championships. However, that does not mean I agree with a lot he has to say - and the article on Rosberg fitted in very nicely with him wanting to avoid the loss of the record as the most 'winningest' British driver - rather than be happy for Lewis (if it happened).

As for Villeneuve please have a close inspection at his Grand Prix career.... that says all that is required. Re his 'bad boy' reputation and the comment about people in glass houses, it is there for all to read.

If Her Majesty is a keen motor racing enthusiast and cares to venture an option on Lewis's race raft then I would be happy to listen. If she were to make mention, and comment critically, on his penchant for tattoos, rap music and acquaintances with the likes of Rhianna, then that is her (or anyone else's prerogative). But I really don't care.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/12/2015 7:00:02 AM

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What makes me laugh is people here believing what is actually written in our so called free press. They have agendas, they write and twist what they want. Wouldn't trust them as far as I could throw them.

So, bashing Hamilton because he risks his life every two weeks or so and dares to party! Look how revered James Hunt is now? Where's the difference? Just saying!!

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/12/2015 8:58:11 AM

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Another Lewis Hamilton fan (not):

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/12/former-f1-star-eviscerates-lewis-hamilton-for-behaving-like-a-spoiled-child

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Given the way that Villeneuve acted from time to time - and the run ins he had with the FIA - then clearly the words throw, in, stones, people, glass-houses, shouldn't springs to mind

There are some ex-world champions worth listening to. Jacques Villeneuve is not one of them.

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Oh and by the way, here is one reason Villeneuve is not worth listening to:

"The minute he starts celebrating second place is the minute he loses all the advantages he has over Rosberg".

Let's be really clear. So people slag Lewis off for NOT being happy when he comes second... and now this genius decides to slag Lewis off for being happy when he comes second?!?!? Er... right...

But it gets better - but clearly too complicated for Villeneuve to understand. The only person who lost advantage is Rosberg. Yes Nico, at the end of the season he won and he won well. BUT, he won after he'd lost. That press conference in which he said he felt better than Hamilton because he'd just won a few races??? Big picture Nico, big picture...

Rosberg is like English cricket teams of a few years ago. Yes they would occasionally win a test against Australia... but only once the Ashes had gone.

WHEN - and only when - Rosberg beats Hamilton to the one trophy that matters, he can go into the off-season with as big a smile on his face as he likes. Sporting such a beaming grin when, for the second time in two seasons, he loses the World Championship to Lewis is.... very strange behaviour from a top-class sportsman and winner.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/12/2015 9:32:25 AM

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I am totally lost.

As usual.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/12/2015 3:49:12 PM

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Ok, on a serious note. My main point about Hamilton is not how many races he's won, or the championships he's won for Mercedes...that's all well and good, and congrats to him and Mercedes for making that happen (special point below as to what he really is the champion of). And I don't even mind him partying within a classy reason (or if he wants to get really crazy, then keep it private...or at least make it look like he's attempting to keep it private). My main problem with him is his disregard and purposeful unprofessional representation of the Mercedes brand (both in appearance and actions...I assume he is smart enough to realize that his actions reflect back on Mercedes). If you want to compare him to crazy acting drivers of the past...that was a different era. I do not think there is another driver on todays line up that behaves like this. Shumy didn't do it, Alonso didn't, Vettle...all professionals...they didn't act like spoiled children.

As for this season...the driver championship was between which Mercedes driver would win it...if Hamilton was not a Mercedes driver, then he would not have won the championship...plug in any other F1 driver, and it would have been between that driver and Nico as to who wins the championship. Its very obvious that Mercedes is the real champion, and Hamilton is the champion over Nico.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/12/2015 5:04:59 PM

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Race ability - We've been here before part 1:

You have admitted you cannot stand Hamilton and thus cannot take a reasoned view toward him.

Schumacher a professional? He CHEATED. He was found guilty of cheating. But hey, he's a professional. Alonso and Vettel? Like Prost, Senna, Schumacher and Lewis, these guys can be, and have been, particularly unpleasant. It's why they are winners, its why they are paid what they are.

Personal behaviour and character - We've been here before part 2:

If he was unprofessional toward the Mercedes brand he would not be employed by them. FACT.

Is F1 all about the driver or the car? - We've been here before part 3:

No Mercedes then no Lewis world champion. SO? There are very few drivers that have won without the best car - and when they do they need luck e.g. the best car breaking down. AND YES, Lewis is one of those few to have won without the best car.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/13/2015 4:42:41 AM

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Part 1: I fully admit I dislike Hamilton personally. My main problem now is actually with Mercedes keeping him on. I'm sure Mercedes cares not about little old me, but I am a loyal consumer of new Mercedes cars since 2004 and perhaps my consumer feedback counts for one blip. As for Schumacher, Alonso (who I also love to hate), and Vettle...it was their off track representation of the product they race for that I was commenting about. You are commenting about their on track unpleasantness...and why they are winners...I can surrender that argument to you.

Part 2: Not that I thought anything would have happened, but it was kind of interesting that Mercedes warned BOTH drivers about getting along. So perhaps its not too far fetched that Mercedes might be asking Hamilton to tone down his BS...we will probably never know...unless he changes his public behavior markedly from this point forward.

Part 3: Switch Kimi for Hamilton 2015. The fact that Mercedes was fairly to very reliable as well as dominant this past season means that Hamilton would not have won without a Mercedes car under him. This season was very unbalanced constructors wise...that's not Hamilton's problem, but its obvious to a fair observer that its Mercedes championship all the way and Hamilton was there for the ride with the exception of defeating Nico. He is the Champion of Nico 2015.

My hope is that beginning the season, if its still Mercedes dominant that Nico drives way more defensively and puts the onus on Hamilton if a crash happens.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/13/2015 6:36:27 AM

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Part 1: I fully admit I dislike Hamilton personally. My main problem now is actually with Mercedes keeping him on. I'm sure Mercedes cares not about little old me, but I am a loyal consumer of new Mercedes cars since 2004 and perhaps my consumer feedback counts for one blip. As for Schumacher, Alonso (who I also love to hate), and Vettle...it was their off track representation of the product they race for that I was commenting about. You are commenting about their on track unpleasantness...and why they are winners...I can surrender that argument to you.

Part 2: Not that I thought anything would have happened, but it was kind of interesting that Mercedes warned BOTH drivers about getting along. So perhaps its not too far fetched that Mercedes might be asking Hamilton to tone down his BS...we will probably never know...unless he changes his public behavior markedly from this point forward.

Part 3: Switch Kimi for Hamilton 2015. The fact that Mercedes was fairly to very reliable as well as dominant this past season means that Hamilton would not have won without a Mercedes car under him. This season was very unbalanced constructors wise...that's not Hamilton's problem, but its obvious to a fair observer that its Mercedes championship all the way and Hamilton was there for the ride with the exception of defeating Nico. He is the Champion of Nico 2015.

My hope is that beginning the season, if its still Mercedes dominant that Nico drives way more defensively and puts the onus on Hamilton if a crash happens.

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Well F1 can be highly unsatisfactory at times. The car is too important, cheats sometimes win, rules often border on the insane etc. But it does not really matter what you and I think. So you do not consider Lewis World Champion (except over Nico)? Well, Nelson Piquet will be forever known as the 1987 F1 World Champion. That absurdity hurts - really hurts - even now, so I am glad that I have someone to share my pain

As for all the stuff about Mercedes championship (like that is something special and unfair for Lewis) well, without going back too far....

Lotus 1979, McLaren 1984, McLaren 1988, McLaren 1989, Williams 1992, Williams 1993, Benetton 1995, Williams 1996, Ferrari 2002, Ferrari 2004, Red Bull 2011, Red Bull 2013. And what do these have in common? Yep - even the greats - Senna, Schumacher, Prost, Vettel get a helping hand from time to time - just like that great Lewis.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/13/2015 8:18:31 AM

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These aren't the cars you're looking for.

Rest in Peace.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/14/2015 6:42:04 AM

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Future Champion:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/rosberg-worries-hype-over-schumacher-jnr-191341752--spt.html

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/14/2015 8:09:20 AM

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I am totally lost.

As usual.

you and me both. probably because we don't follow this stuff at all or too closely. now ask me about pork ribs I'm really interested in that

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/14/2015 8:40:55 AM

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So, Zap, how do you prefer your pork ribs?

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/14/2015 3:47:44 PM

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So, Zap, how do you prefer your pork ribs?

I thought you would never ask. Barbequed, over an outside fire using mesquite wood. So as not to go off topic. Cooked at a Grand Prix Race

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/19/2015 4:32:27 PM

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http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2015/12/19/wolff-mercedes-would-have-exploded-with-two-hamiltons/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

So, what does this mean exactly? That somehow Hamilton is the Alpha male compared to Rosberg? The way I read this is that having two Rosbergs would not have been as good as the current situation. That the current situation where Hamilton gets away with his shananigans and Rosberg just has to deal with it is the way its going to be in the Mercedes stable.

First, I cant believe Wolff would even put this out there, and the way he did it is very demeaning towards Rosberg. If I were a Mercedes board member, I would be on the verge of getting Wolff fired for these comments...put him on warning and do an investigation as to what is really going on there. I would ban Wolff from any further comments and from the media.

Second, If I'm Rosberg...I'm so f'en pi$$ed its not funny. I would go into next season with a huge chip on my shoulder. I would race Hamilton extremely hard and not give him one inch (in fact I'm taking more than inches FROM Hamilton)...and if that means this is my last year with Mercedes, so be it. Mercedes has "two Hamiltons" now.

If I'm on the Mercedes board I give Rosberg the thumbs up to do what ever he decides to do. Go for it Rosberg!

Unless Rosberg is a total PU$$Y, Wolff has guaranteed to have "two Hamiltons" for next season. From a fan stand point that would really be exciting to see, and re-ignite F1.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/20/2015 4:10:26 AM

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Mercedes it seems has a noose around Rosberg's neck. Hamilton's contract was renewed back in May, while Rosberg's contract ends at the end of next season. Mercedes can yank that noose anytime they think Rosberg is not towing the line...what ever that may be.

Rosberg should know that there are good teams out there that would love to have him, including Ferrari. He should just go for the gusto and not let Mercedes yank him around:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mercedes-deal-not-round-corner-140024057.html

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/20/2015 6:31:49 AM

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Mercedes it seems has a noose around Rosberg's neck. Hamilton's contract was renewed back in May, while Rosberg's contract ends at the end of next season. Mercedes can yank that noose anytime they think Rosberg is not towing the line...what ever that may be.

Rosberg should know that there are good teams out there that would love to have him, including Ferrari. He should just go for the gusto and not let Mercedes yank him around:

http://sports.yahoo.com/news/mercedes-deal-not-round-corner-140024057.html

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Last year it was Nico with the longer term contract and so Lewis potentially out on his ear if terms were not agreed. It's just a normal situation - two drivers, one team and that team does not want both contracts expiring at the same time. The team wants to maximise their options and so contracts are staggered.

This time around it happens to be Nico whose contract is up for renewal. It also just so happens that Nico's contract is up for grabs when a) Mercedes are warning both drivers they need to get on and b) at a time when Lewis has the cachet of being twice world champion for Mercedes c) there are potentially drivers such as Alonso or Verstappen soon to be available. As a result - the world being what it is - Nico is not in quite as strong a position as before. That said he is hardly in a weak position either - and if he does what he can i.e. win the 2016 World Championship - his position will be that much stronger won't it?

What is the point of this? Why does everything that Mercedes or Lewis or Nico do have to be a drama? Why does everything have to be a conspiracy? Sheesh.

I am a German national, the son of a motor-racing world champion. I grew up in extreme luxury and wealth and became a racing driver myself. I have driven for the last 4 or 5 years for what has been - in the last 2 years - far and away the best grand prix team in the world. I have equal number one status and I earn more money than I can shake a stick at. Oh no - those horrible people at Mercedes have a noose around my neck (apparently

) please save me.....

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/20/2015 8:20:41 AM

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I am a German national, the son of a motor-racing world champion. I grew up in extreme luxury and wealth and became a racing driver myself. I have driven for the last 4 or 5 years for what has been - in the last 2 years - far and away the best grand prix team in the world. I have equal number one status and I earn more money than I can shake a stick at. Oh no - those horrible people at Mercedes have a noose around my neck (apparently ) please save me.....

So how come you moved to London? And how do you find the time to play MWIF and do you day work?

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/20/2015 3:14:11 PM

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No, the real drama begins when Hamilton tries to push over pole sitter Nico at the first corner...both wheels touch and one or both go airborne. I want Nico to have some balls...and I really want to see Hamilton flying into a DNF.

In F1, everything is a conspiracy...how long have you been watching?

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/20/2015 3:24:51 PM

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No, the real drama begins when Hamilton tries to push over pole sitter Nico at the first corner...both wheels touch and one or both go airborne. I want Nico to have some balls...and I really want to see Hamilton flying into a DNF.

In F1, everything is a conspiracy...how long have you been watching?

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Really? You never said. If I didn't know better I would think you didn't like Mr Hamilton very much?

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/21/2015 3:12:17 AM

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Yeah...I would love to see Hamilton and his car flying through the air after one of his patented moves...perhaps that will settle him down and set him straight. Maybe he will face his own mortality and realize how lucky he is. I would love to see a change in his personality...perhaps I can root for him again if he does. I'm not holding my breath.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 12/21/2015 6:27:06 AM

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Yeah...I would love to see Hamilton and his car flying through the air after one of his patented moves...perhaps that will settle him down and set him straight. Maybe he will face his own mortality and realize how lucky he is. I would love to see a change in his personality...perhaps I can root for him again if he does. I'm not holding my breath.

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I guess we are like racing cars - we just keep going round in circles. You love Schumacher and his patented cheating moves, spearing into Villeneuve or Hill, you can forgive Senna spearing into Prost or Prost doing the same to Senna (both of which were confirmed by the other to have been on purpose to take their opponent out). But when Lewis makes his bold (but perfectly legal) moves you get all upset.

Ho hum...

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 1/21/2016 4:04:51 PM

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Interesting:

http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2016/01/21/horner-lewis-hamilton-was-desperate-to-race-for-red-bull/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 1/23/2016 3:04:48 AM

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Interesting:

http://motorsports.nbcsports.com/2016/01/21/horner-lewis-hamilton-was-desperate-to-race-for-red-bull/?ocid=Yahoo&partner=ya5nbcs

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It was an open secret he was talking to Red Bull back then. I think the McLaren letting him down in 2012 was the last straw and Lewis saw that he needed to move. He drove so well that year only to be robbed of victory by McLaren's inability to make a reliable and consistent car.

And whatever anyone says about Lewis - and I was one of those criticising his move to Mercedes at the time - his judgement was spot on. McLaren have not won a race since Lewis left.....

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 1/23/2016 5:01:35 AM

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Warspite...you are such a (blank) for Hamilton its amazing. First, you credit Hamilton for his "good judgment" going to Mercedes, when it was his judgment to go to Red Bull. He had to be directed and convinced to go to Mercedes. Next, you make it sound like McLaren sucks because they no longer have Hamilton. Would McLaren have won any race last season if Hamilton had driven for them?...noooo.

The reason McLaren sucked last year is because McLaren did not develop a great car, not because of who did or did not drive for them. The reason Mercedes won last season is not because of who did or did not drive for them, but because they developed a great car. This is why I value the Constructors Championship far more than a Driver's Championship.

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RE: New Grand Prix Season Is Almost Upon Us!!! - 1/23/2016 9:30:29 AM

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Warspite...you are such a (blank) for Hamilton its amazing.

[Looks at camera] Well he's not very nice is he boys and girls?

As usual the essence of what I say is missed (and we are both guilty from this when responding to each other). So for the most part I will assume you have misunderstood me here.

1. You posted an article that was neither shocking nor particularly new (except the revelation that Horner pushed Lewis to Mercedes to weaken McLaren). That in itself shows the kind of respect that Lewis is given by the people who really know F1 and driving cars.

2. What I replied with was not shocking or particularly biased:

a) Lewis could not go to Red Bull while Vettel was there. Of course he wanted to go there. Who was to win the championship at a canter in 2013? Was his judgement wrong about that? His good judgement was that he realised he had to leave McLaren. Please call up motor sport articles and newspaper clippings from the time and tell me how many people 'in the know' thought he was as mad as a hatter for wanting to leave McLaren.

b) You are an F1 fan, you know full well that in extreme circumstances World Championships have been won by drivers without the best car - individual Grand Prix more so. On occasion with the latter that is down to luck (e.g. Panis at Monaco) but mostly its because the driver of the car is capable of doing things others cannot (e.g. Lewis twice with that car in 2009). AND NO - WE ARE NOT TALKING ABOUT SITUATIONS WHERE THE CAR IS A TOTAL DOG AND 2-3 SECONDS OFF THE PACE. But then you know that and were just being disingenuous.

I use the 'McLaren have not won a race since Lewis left' not to say he would have won in the cars (dogs) they have produced since, but to show his judgement, his wish, to leave McLaren was sound - against all sage advice to the contrary. Whether his first choice was Red Bull or Ferrari or Mercedes is not the big issue here. It's leaving such a successful, stable, resource rich team during a year in which they produced a good (if unreliable) car - and was arguably the fastest by the end of the season.

Of course there is luck involved with choosing a team (for those lucky enough to have a choice). Why did Vettel get it sooo wrong in staying at Red Bull in 2014? Why did Alonso get it sooo wrong in moving to McLaren in 2015? Fittipaldi 1976!! And look at Maldonado. After the worst ever season Williams have suffered he took his �30m oil money to.....Lotus. Just as Lotus fell apart and Williams got Mercedes engines.

As someone who has admitted they cannot be level headed and objective about Lewis because they hate him so much, I think it strange that you should try and call me out and feign such faux indignation that anyone could be as biased as I am

In short I have made no such comment that Lewis would have won in a McLaren post 2012 (and he is of course no different in that respect to Vettel or Alonso or anybody), I made no such comment that Lewis knew exactly where he wanted to go and his first choice was Mercedes. FACT was, having been re-buffed by Red Bull (due to the presence of Vettel) and with Alonso at Ferrari, the choice was Mercedes (against everyone's advice) or McLaren. THAT was a judgement call and he made it.

< Message edited by warspite1 -- 1/23/2016 11:26:49 AM >

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