Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: loki100

well the new rules on awarding penalties are going to have some serious consequences. Maybe the best solution is to surgically remove the hands of defenders?

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2019/jun/09/england-scotland-womens-world-cup-match-report

result was a perfectly fair reflection of the match but thats another warning as to how ridiculous this new interpretation is going to be

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ORIGINAL: Orm
Well done indeed, USA. You won against a team that apparently wanted to draw the game by boring the opposition to sleep, while saving their best players against Canada.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Football is a wonderful game, and the ball is round.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Well, the football is, technically, a sphere. But, by the very definition of a sphere, it is also round. Therefore I am technically right to say that a football is round.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Well, the football is, technically, a sphere. But, by the very definition of a sphere, it is also round. Therefore I am technically right to say that a football is round.

If you played the game with a hoop or a circle of two dimensions-then *that* is round. A 'ball', as you describe it is spheroid. It's only 'round' if you don't give it a third dimension. IMO, that would make a boring game-or at least one very different than 'football' is considered.

I'd just as soon not have Warspite1 ask me to play 'hoop' with him.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Well, the football is, technically, a sphere. But, by the very definition of a sphere, it is also round. Therefore I am technically right to say that a football is round.

If you played the game with a hoop or a circle of two dimensions-then *that* is round. A 'ball', as you describe it is spheroid. It's only 'round' if you don't give it a third dimension. IMO, that would make a boring game-or at least one very different than 'football' is considered.

I'd just as soon not have Warspite1 ask me to play 'hoop' with him.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Well, the football is, technically, a sphere. But, by the very definition of a sphere, it is also round. Therefore I am technically right to say that a football is round.

If you played the game with a hoop or a circle of two dimensions-then *that* is round. A 'ball', as you describe it is spheroid. It's only 'round' if you don't give it a third dimension. IMO, that would make a boring game-or at least one very different than 'football' is considered.

I'd just as soon not have Warspite1 ask me to play 'hoop' with him.

So are you saying that a sphere isn't round? I thought that 'round' was in the very definition of a sphere. What is the sphere then? Rectangular?

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Well, the football is, technically, a sphere. But, by the very definition of a sphere, it is also round. Therefore I am technically right to say that a football is round.

If you played the game with a hoop or a circle of two dimensions-then *that* is round. A 'ball', as you describe it is spheroid. It's only 'round' if you don't give it a third dimension. IMO, that would make a boring game-or at least one very different than 'football' is considered.

I'd just as soon not have Warspite1 ask me to play 'hoop' with him.

So are you saying that a sphere isn't round? I thought that 'round' was in the very definition of a sphere. What is the sphere then? Rectangular?

A sphere is no more 'round' than a cube is square, my fine Swedish friend. If one elects to omit the observation / measurement of a dimension (e.g., look at it from the side and omit any perception of depth) then it appears 'round' or 'circular'.

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

Meanwhile, at London Stadium, a game of Rounders was played. The Yankees defeated the Red Sox 17-13. Outs were declared, but no extra points were allowed.
(That oughta confuse them Limeys)

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Orm

Well, the football is, technically, a sphere. But, by the very definition of a sphere, it is also round. Therefore I am technically right to say that a football is round.

If you played the game with a hoop or a circle of two dimensions-then *that* is round. A 'ball', as you describe it is spheroid. It's only 'round' if you don't give it a third dimension. IMO, that would make a boring game-or at least one very different than 'football' is considered.

I'd just as soon not have Warspite1 ask me to play 'hoop' with him.

So are you saying that a sphere isn't round? I thought that 'round' was in the very definition of a sphere. What is the sphere then? Rectangular?

A sphere is no more 'round' than a cube is square, my fine Swedish friend. If one elects to omit the observation / measurement of a dimension (e.g., look at it from the side and omit any perception of depth) then it appears 'round' or 'circular'.

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

Meanwhile, at London Stadium, a game of Rounders was played. The Yankees defeated the Red Sox 17-13. Outs were declared, but no extra points were allowed.
(That oughta confuse them Limeys)

Say what? Words seem to have lost their meaning to me. I do understand most of the individual words but their meaning in this sentence is beyond me.

And Limey? Is that some kind of exotic fruit?

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

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ORIGINAL: Orm

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ORIGINAL: Zorch

Meanwhile, at London Stadium, a game of Rounders was played. The Yankees defeated the Red Sox 17-13. Outs were declared, but no extra points were allowed.
(That oughta confuse them Limeys)

Say what? Words seem to have lost their meaning to me. I do understand most of the individual words but their meaning in this sentence is beyond me.

And Limey? Is that some kind of exotic fruit?

Yes, a Limey is like an exotic fruit, except that it's not a fruit and not exotic.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

So, I spent some time reading up on my use of the terms 'round', 'ball', 'sphere' and 'circular'. I admit error in conflating the use of 'round' and 'circular'. It turns out that Orm's definition is correct. Namely, that "A sphere is a perfectly round geometrical object in three dimensional space that is the surface of a completely round ball." Mea culpa.

But further delving into mathematical / physical parlance has made me realize that the use of the term 'ball' in 'soccer ball' is incorrect or at least informal.

In mathematics, a ball is the space bounded by a sphere. It may be a closed ball (including the boundary points that constitute the sphere) or an open ball (excluding them).

These concepts are defined not only in three-dimensional Euclidean space but also for lower and higher dimensions, and for metric spaces in general. A ball or hyperball in n dimensions is called an n-ball and is bounded by an (n − 1)-sphere. Thus, for example, a ball in the Euclidean plane is the same thing as a disk, the area bounded by a circle. In Euclidean 3-space, a ball is taken to be the volume bounded by a 2-dimensional sphere. In a one-dimensional space, a ball is a line segment.

In other contexts, such as in Euclidean geometry and informal use, sphere is sometimes used to mean ball.

Furthermore, a soccer ball is not a completely round spheroid. Apparently, the particularly round soccer balls are problematic in the play of the game. See the controversy associated with the 2010 Adidas Jabulani ball:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adidas_Jabulani

So, ad hominem attacks aside, Orm was right. And wrong. His aforementioned definition of sphere (first paragraph above) was correct in the strictest application of the terms. But the vernacular use of 'ball' to refer to the object with which the game of soccer (or 'football' if you prefer) is less correct and bordering on the familiar. So if we're going to stick strictly to correct definitions, perhaps we could agree to call it a 'semi-rounded, hollow, superficially grooved spheroid'?

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Wow! Congratulations to the women of TEAM USA again! Job well done against the UK squad today 2-1. Now they advance to the finals.

Hopefully for a grudge match against the Swedes. If they can get by Netherlands.