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With the new rules for European Championship coming into play over the next two or three years where your club can't be spending more than it earns on players believe me certain clubs will be in trouble.
Blackburn...Newcastle...all had rich owners who left...went from winning i.e Blackburn or at least in the top three of four to right back down the table as the owners left or stopped dishing out the money. Chelsea will never have the fanbase Man Utd or Liverpool have, no matter what they do, unless they have sustained success for another 10 years they might.
They where talking about City the other day. They spend way more than they earn and when the rules come in in the next two years if they haven't made dramatic increase in takings they'd be banned. If the rules where out now they wouldn't be allowed in the championship. They come in totally in 2014 i believe.
teams like Man U and Liverpool have such a big fanbase they still make more money even if they don't win anything. Liverpool made more than Man City this year!
It's the end of the sugar daddy and those teams that rely on them at last will be in trouble, no longer being bale to buy success with money the club doesn't even earn.
All those teams your talking about are pre the big money where money meant success, you just can't compare that to football today. If you have endless funds your team will win things at the moment, simple as that.
Even the most hardcore football fan will say success is really all about how much either your owner has or how much your owner has and how much the club makes. Whatever it's down to money. Players aren't loyal and greedy and will go to any club if they pay the wage they want. Chelsea and Man City being proof of this. The game is a mess compared to eyars ago. Hopefully this new rule will start to put things in order.
man City over the next two years have to have sustained success in the league and in Europe to hope of bringing in the money they need not to be banned from Europe in two years times.
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With the new rules for European Championship coming into play over the next two or three years where your club can't be spending more than it earns on players believe me certain clubs will be in trouble.
Do you believe that the Arabs that invested in Manchester City have ignored the Fair Play rules? I suspect they have a plan. One of which is to build their squad up before the rules come into play, qualify for the Champions League and then, on the back of success, they can increase ticket prices.
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Blackburn...Newcastle...all had rich owners who left...went from winning i.e Blackburn or at least in the top three of four to right back down the table as the owners left or stopped dishing out the money.
Blackburn is completely different to Newcastle. Blackburn won the league courtesy of the late Jack Walker but their fanbase, ground size etc mean that sustained success - without further spending was never likely. Newcastle just overspent - as loads of clubs do from time to time - but they have a huge fanbase and recovered.
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Chelsea will never have the fanbase Man Utd or Liverpool have, no matter what they do, unless they have sustained success for another 10 years they might.
I think you answered the point in the second part of the sentence 
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teams like Man U and Liverpool have such a big fanbase they still make more money even if they don't win anything. Liverpool made more than Man City this year!
Yes, Man U have a huge fanbase, as do Liverpool. The problem? Liverpool do not have the ground capacity to take advantage - and they are not in the Champions League so income is depressed and they have spent hugely last season and need those players to come through because there is not the money available for another huge transfer spend. Yes Liverpool's income was more than City (who were not in the Champions League at the time), but who has the best chance to increase income going forward? Not Liverpool...and whose squad would you rather have?
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It's the end of the sugar daddy and those teams that rely on them at last will be in trouble, no longer being bale to buy success with money the club doesn't even earn.
I think you're right (unless an Abramovich wanted to come to the Lane  ). But the point is Chelsea and City have already benefitted - they have the momentum.
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All those teams your talking about are pre the big money where money meant success, you just can't compare that to football today.
No, money has always talked and BS walked. In the thirties Huddersfield and Arsenal (both recently three time champions under Herbert Chapman) bought a stand. Arsenal paid £45,000 for their big, forward thinking one. Huddersfield? They bought a second hand one from Fleetwood Town.....
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If you have endless funds your team will win things at the moment, simple as that.
Exactly my point - but provided you have employed the right manager and bought wisely.
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Even the most hardcore football fan will say success is really all about how much either your owner has or how much your owner has and how much the club makes. Whatever it's down to money.
No. That money has to be spent wisely, there needs to be a plan - long term like Arsenal are building - not short term like Leeds United.
As a Tottenham fan I hope that the excesses of City and Chelsea can be curbed, but there is NO WAY their owners are stupid enough to see them banned from Europe by breaking the rules. They are in - we are out - I know where I would rather be at the moment - its advantage them.
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