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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

That is good advice. Iīll try to get more worried!

Anyone have an idea why my CVE/Surface Fleet moved the way they did? Donīt want to start doing the turn until I know what caused it. Donīt want it to happen again.

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Its a gamble. One bad day could see the precious pools I finally built up wiped clean again. Lack of space will also mean I canīt use my P38s for escorts but will have to rely on Sweeps going in first only. I also canīt use the USMC/Navy in this as their Fighter pools are in bad shape.

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

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Its a gamble. One bad day could see the precious pools I finally built up wiped clean again. Lack of space will also mean I canīt use my P38s for escorts but will have to rely on Sweeps going in first only. I also canīt use the USMC/Navy in this as their Fighter pools are in bad shape.

What is wrong with this picture?!?
Its May '45 and the Allies don't have enough airframes while Japan will be able to refill her air groups a lot more easily.

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ORIGINAL: EHansen
And in other threads I see players complaining that the Allies get so much stuff that Japan has no chance. What is correct?

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

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Its a gamble. One bad day could see the precious pools I finally built up wiped clean again. Lack of space will also mean I canīt use my P38s for escorts but will have to rely on Sweeps going in first only. I also canīt use the USMC/Navy in this as their Fighter pools are in bad shape.

What is wrong with this picture?!?
Its May '45 and the Allies don't have enough airframes while Japan will be able to refill her air groups a lot more easily.

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

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Its a gamble. One bad day could see the precious pools I finally built up wiped clean again. Lack of space will also mean I canīt use my P38s for escorts but will have to rely on Sweeps going in first only. I also canīt use the USMC/Navy in this as their Fighter pools are in bad shape.

What is wrong with this picture?!?
Its May '45 and the Allies don't have enough airframes while Japan will be able to refill her air groups a lot more easily.

It seems the majority of late war games see the Allies plane pools almost dry, while Japan has more planes than they know what to do with.

I am not saying anything is wrong, it probably has to do with using the production system, while Allies can't.

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

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ORIGINAL: jeffk3510

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants

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Its a gamble. One bad day could see the precious pools I finally built up wiped clean again. Lack of space will also mean I canīt use my P38s for escorts but will have to rely on Sweeps going in first only. I also canīt use the USMC/Navy in this as their Fighter pools are in bad shape.

What is wrong with this picture?!?
Its May '45 and the Allies don't have enough airframes while Japan will be able to refill her air groups a lot more easily.

It seems the majority of late war games see the Allies plane pools almost dry, while Japan has more planes than they know what to do with.

I am not saying anything is wrong, it probably has to do with using the production system, while Allies can't.

this is a game and not a simulation ..

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

They had the same cruise speed (4) and where set to mission speed. The SCTF max speed was 9 while the other TFs where 5 and 6.

Only thing remotely close to this was when I had some Cargo TFs resetting to home port in the middle of a mission. But Iīve never seen the follow command wiped before. Iīll not rule out a mistake on my part but I doubt I managed to cancel the follow command on 4 different TFs. I had already moved them around in this manner for weeks. I even named the SCTF to "lead TF" and have used that to move everyone around for weeks. The way the TFs moved indicate "something" forced them to move and that lead to the "follow" command to be wiped.

I guess from now on Iīll move each TF individually. Costly lesson.

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ORIGINAL: Feurer Krieg

I'm starting to wonder which is harder - Japanese production logistics or Allied military logistics....us Japan players never have enough stuff to worry about setting up all these TF's on follow.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I'm not sure how to interpret the bolded part. If the lead TF is set to Mission and does 9 and the Follow TFs are set to Cruise and do 4 that seems to be a problem, maybe. If the lead TF Cruise is more than 4 I'm not sure how the code treats that. If it can go to absolute knot numbers and match them against the Followers' set speeds, or if there are only three "notches" for lead TF speed--Cruise, Mission, Full. If the lead TF is faster it should slow down to let the Followers keep up, but I don't know what happens if the Followers set speed is slower than the lead's Cruise. There ought to be an error trap for that I'd think.

I had a Follow command dumped just once. In an AI game I was organizing about ten TFs at Pearl to invade the Marshals. Elegant sets of leads and follows. But for three turns they wouldn't leave Pearl. I finally had to have them leave and rally-point at Maui, then go a Remain on Station hex two away in open blue water to the west. Then I re-ordered the leads and follower architectures and they took off for the target. But I've never had a Follow order dump in mid-transit.

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Ground combat at Moppo (100,54)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 102591 troops, 2213 guns, 1886 vehicles, Assault Value = 5642

Defending force 18343 troops, 260 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 673

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 2753

Japanese adjusted defense: 236

Allied assault odds: 11 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Moppo !!!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-100-I Tony: 28 destroyed

Combat modifiers
Defender: forts(+), leaders(+), preparation(-), experience(-)
supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
10440 casualties reported
Squads: 141 destroyed, 164 disabled
Non Combat: 164 destroyed, 79 disabled
Engineers: 80 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 190 (137 destroyed, 53 disabled)
Units retreated 5

Allied ground losses:
782 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 139 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 11 disabled
Guns lost 32 (1 destroyed, 31 disabled)
Units pursuing 21

Assaulting units:
98th Infantry Division
637th Tank Destroyer Battalion
5th Marine Division
766th Tank Battalion
1st USMC Tank Battalion
96th Infantry Division
716th Tank Battalion
Americal Infantry Division
194th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
4th USMC Tank Battalion
XI Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
706th Tank Battalion
6th Marine Division
34th Combat Engineer Regiment
3rd Marine Division
2nd USMC Tank Battalion
710th Tank Battalion
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
2nd Marine Division
81st Infantry Division
CenPac Amphib Tank Brigade
713th Flame Tank Battalion
711th Tank Battalion
767th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
33rd Infantry Division
671th Tank Destroyer Battalion
632nd Tank Destroyer Battalion
640th Tank Destroyer Battalion
192nd Tank Battalion
3rd NZ Armoured Sqn
1st USMC Air Wing Base Force
3rd USMC Field Artillery Battalion
8th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
2nd Eng Amph Bde
I Corps Artillery
V US Amphib Corps
Pacific Ocean Areas
251st Field Artillery Battalion
XXIV US Corps
118th USAAF Base Force
1 USMC Seacoast Art
1st USMC Field Artillery Battalion
X Corps Artillery
X US Corps
242nd USN Base Force
I US Corps
1st Medium Regiment
4th USMC Air Wing Base Force
Tenth US Army
147th Field Artillery Regiment
12th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
148th Field Artillery Battalion
4th Eng Amph Bde
XIV Corps Artillery
XI US Corps
4th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
South Pacific
XXIV CorpsArtillery
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
33rd Medium Regiment

Defending units:
121st Division
96th Division
77th Infantry Regiment
26th Field Artillery Regiment
76th JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at 73,53 (near Tuyun)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 66030 troops, 788 guns, 162 vehicles, Assault Value = 2707

Defending force 4741 troops, 90 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 18

Allied adjusted assault: 1722

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 1722 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), disruption(-), morale(-)
experience(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
4480 casualties reported
Squads: 380 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 63 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 49 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 64 (64 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (17 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 1

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd New Chinese Corps
11th (East African) Division
16th Chindit Brigade
81st (West African) Division
6th New Chinese Corps

Defending units:
17th Division

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Night Air attack on Keijo , at 103,50

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 13,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 23 minutes

Allied aircraft
B-29-1 Superfort x 8
B-29-25 Superfort x 30
B-29B Superfort x 23

No Allied losses

Light Industry hits 17

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 37,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 11 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 76
J2M5 Jack x 11
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar x 3
Ki-102a Randy x 7

Allied aircraft
P-47N Thunderbolt x 25

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 9 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-43-IIIa Oscar: 1 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-47N Thunderbolt: 1 destroyed

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 42
J2M5 Jack x 7
Ki-102a Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 11

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 destroyed, 6 damaged

Ki-84r Frank factory hits 2

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Morning Air attack on Fukuoka , at 103,57

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid detected at 43 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 14 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 31
J2M5 Jack x 6
Ki-102a Randy x 3

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 55

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 1 destroyed
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
B-24J Liberator: 1 destroyed, 14 damaged

Ki-84r Frank factory hits 1

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Perhaps the thread should now say "Battle for Korea" instead of Okinawa!

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Ah, all were set to mission so the leading SCTF should only do 4 hexes? If one of the TFs are slower they all wait for the slowest TF. At least that is how it has worked so far.

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ORIGINAL: koniu

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Perhaps the thread should now say "Battle for Korea" instead of Okinawa!

Or You can mind play with Obvert and rename it in few weeks to "Invasion Hokkaido"

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58
Without more data it's hard to say. What I was pondering--and I don't know the answer--is what happens if all are on Mission, but the Mission of the slow guys is not as fast as even the Cruise of the lead. Can ships using engine code move at less than their Cruise? I think they do default to 1-hex in that case, but I'm not sure. Normally a fast lead will slow to wait for a slower follower, but is there a limit? Is the slowing able to be an integer knot number, or is the speed range restricted to just the three notches of Cruise, Mission, Fast?

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ORIGINAL: ny59giants
Looking at the combat result for Moppo and I think this is what a non-stacking limit game looks like. I can glean some lessons from your game, but not much in ground combat as I'm stuck in Burma right now, but should break through soon. The big lesson in ground combat is just one simple thing....DISRUPTION!! Regardless of whats there defending, this one thing in a combat result tips the balance. Do you agree??

Mines - Can you start to lay a mine field from Moppo SW to allow your ships some form of protection from Japan?? Either by a massive sub TF or from CMs??

Saishu To - This base off Moppo is defended by what?? Is it worth taking??

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Don't count me in the group that thinks this was an Allied defeat. You had a strategic goal; you achieved it. The loss of the ships is a shame, but they did the job, and, as you say, you're largely done with them now. If this had been a year ago it would be different.

This fundamentally changes the game board. Supply was a problem before for Japan; now it's beyond critical. The Korea ports are OOC. You can bomb out any amount of Korea-based LI.

The consensus seems to be that Korea is counted by the game engine as being part of the 8000 AV garrison requirement. This was news to me but good to know for the future. This works against Japan in this case once you have a firm beachhead in Asia.

Why? Now, in addition to balancing his supply needs and aircraft factors and retreat paths and where to defend, every land battle has to be considered in terms of falling below 8000 and getting a months-early visit from the Bear. In essence there's a dead-man switch involved and you're holding it, not him. A possible tactic for you might be to let up on HI bombing for now and go all out in Korea with a view less to taking and holding dirt and more to simple AV destruction, with a view to early activation. I don't know his AV numbers in the relevant territory--well over 8000 probably--but it might be done in 30-40 days if you use air and armor. Getting the Soviets in June rather than mid-August makes it interesting for him.

If you're looking for an interim challenge. If not, you can push north conventionally and wait for August regardless.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Don't count me in the group that thinks this was an Allied defeat. You had a strategic goal; you achieved it. The loss of the ships is a shame, but they did the job, and, as you say, you're largely done with them now. If this had been a year ago it would be different.

This fundamentally changes the game board. Supply was a problem before for Japan; now it's beyond critical. The Korea ports are OOC. You can bomb out any amount of Korea-based LI.

The consensus seems to be that Korea is counted by the game engine as being part of the 8000 AV garrison requirement. This was news to me but good to know for the future. This works against Japan in this case once you have a firm beachhead in Asia.

Why? Now, in addition to balancing his supply needs and aircraft factors and retreat paths and where to defend, every land battle has to be considered in terms of falling below 8000 and getting a months-early visit from the Bear. In essence there's a dead-man switch involved and you're holding it, not him. A possible tactic for you might be to let up on HI bombing for now and go all out in Korea with a view less to taking and holding dirt and more to simple AV destruction, with a view to early activation. I don't know his AV numbers in the relevant territory--well over 8000 probably--but it might be done in 30-40 days if you use air and armor. Getting the Soviets in June rather than mid-August makes it interesting for him.

If you're looking for an interim challenge. If not, you can push north conventionally and wait for August regardless.