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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/6/2013 8:33:17 PM

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Battle of Namlea

This will be remembered as the day when the Allied fleet revealed its true power. Wow. Simply wow.

Namlea lies just SW of Ambon. I had no intention of launching this strike as recon had indicated both Ambon and Namlea to be completely empty. I was quite surprised to see the first airstrike take off. And very, very angry to be honest.

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Namlea at 76,108

Weather in hex: Clear sky

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 18,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 13

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 432
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 28

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 9 damaged
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano, Bomb hits 1
CA Mogami, Bomb hits 3
DD Oboro

I was pissed off to say the least. 400 Fighters for 30 DBs. I was expecting a string of unescorted strikes to go in. Indeed two smaller raids did go in. One completely unescorted and one with a 30 Hellcat escort. Then came the grand finale.

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Namlea at 76,108

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M3 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 12

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 389
SB2C-1C Helldiver x 44
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 145
SBD-5 Dauntless x 27
TBM-1C Avenger x 88

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 6 destroyed
N1K2-J George: 4 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 2 destroyed
SB2C-1C Helldiver: 4 damaged
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBM-1C Avenger: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Hakaze, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
CL Naka, Bomb hits 3, on fire
DD Oboro, Bomb hits 2, and is sunk
CA Kumano, Bomb hits 15, heavy fires, heavy damage
CA Mogami, Bomb hits 30, and is sunk
DD Tanikaze, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk
CL Kiso, Bomb hits 2
CL Jintsu, Bomb hits 5, heavy fires, heavy damage
DD Yuzuki, Bomb hits 1, on fire
DD Yukikaze, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
CL Sendai, Bomb hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage

This is followed by a coup de grace!

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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Namlea at 76,108

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 75 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 33 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K2-J George x 6

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 33
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 29
TBM-1C Avenger x 36

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
TBM-1C Avenger: 1 damaged

Japanese Ships
CA Kumano, Torpedo hits 5, and is sunk
DD Yukikaze, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

I�ve never seen such a massive strike before. While it contained all the allotted escorts it was roughly only a third of the available strike planes. A third.

This just dwarves everything the KB has done. I feel a lot more confident taking on the KB after this turn. If he gets within 7 hexes of the fleet there will be no more KB. Of that I�m absolutely sure.

I�m curious how Erik will react to this. He made no mention of battle in our emails. Will this strike change his strategy? Will it make him more reluctant to take on the CV fleet? Does he think the losses I suffered today weakened me and seek battle? I lost only 28 Hellcats and 19 DBs. Thats about 2,4% of the available planes. Nothing that concerns me much.

Interesting turn indeed. Watched the whole replay with a silly grin.

Strike two more CAs. Thats 12 off the list and 6 more to go.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/6/2013 8:38:14 PM

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Losses at the Battle of Namlea

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/6/2013 9:03:23 PM

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You get an "I Hate CAs!" T-shirt. I'm still working on earning mine.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/6/2013 9:26:10 PM

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You get an "I Hate CAs!" T-shirt. I'm still working on earning mine.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/6/2013 10:08:24 PM

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Nice one. Those Jap CA's pack a powerful punch. Always good to take down Meatball ships. In fact anything Meatball taken down is good

P.S. Keep us posted how those LCI(G)'s work out. I'm using mine in my next invasions.........As you also say so much time and shipping is used for logistics! I still can't get enough TK/AO in my game vs Faber to move all the fuel that is needed. There's just an ever increasing demand for it!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/6/2013 11:44:29 PM

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Nice job sinking those ships. That should put a damper in Eriks plans.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 3:48:34 AM

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I'll add my congrats too

, but the cautious part of me wonders if your opponents lack of comment is because of the dreaded synch bug, and all those good things never happened!

Say it isn't so!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 5:43:25 AM

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Nice one. Those Jap CA's pack a powerful punch. Always good to take down Meatball ships. In fact anything Meatball taken down is good

P.S. Keep us posted how those LCI(G)'s work out. I'm using mine in my next invasions.........As you also say so much time and shipping is used for logistics! I still can't get enough TK/AO in my game vs Faber to move all the fuel that is needed. There's just an ever increasing demand for it!

When I used them in a landing earlier they just blasted the defenders.

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Pre-Invasion action off Waigeo (82,106)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Izard
DD Hazelwood
DD Haraden
DD Albert Grant
DD Evans
DD Callaghan
DD Bennion
LCI(G)-82
LCI(G)-81
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
LCI(G)-78
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76
APA Knox
DD Knapp

Japanese ground losses:
537 casualties reported BOOM!
Squads: 0 destroyed, 48 disabled BOOM!
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

But in later landings they havn�t caused much damage at all. I don�t know why that is. Forts?

Are you using some of those xAKs to haul fuel? I have 2x100 Liberty ship TFs do doing just that. They still carry almost 250.000 fuel!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 5:50:14 AM

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I'll add my congrats too , but the cautious part of me wonders if your opponents lack of comment is because of the dreaded synch bug, and all those good things never happened!
Say it isn't so!

I was worried about that too just after I watched the replay. But its listed in the CR, I lost the planes and his ships are on the sunk list. So I think its safe to assume it did happen!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 6:37:16 AM

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Manado

This will be a very important base for the Allied advance. I wish I would have devoted more troops to its capture to make 100% I would secure it quickly. I have 2 US Divisions 100% prepped for it. But one is the completely green 93rd ID. I also have 2 arty units to add to the mix. The workaround is the 2 Tank BTLs prepped for the small dot base South of Manado. They can reinforce the actual attack but also open up for reinforcements following the same route. I�m moving up the SOPAC reserve (2nd Marine Division). If needed I can also land the 14th US Corps here (3 IDs). I will get the base.

I really need a lvl 9 AF in the area to suppress the bases at Mindanao. The added bonus of this base is that much of the DEI oil comes within B29 range. Some even within Fighter range!

Balikpapan/Samarinda.
I also have a big question to think about. Do I capture it or wreck it? I�m currently leaning towards capture. I would likely take the rest of -44 to do it though. How much fuel per month do you get from Balikpapan? Anyone knows? Can it be calculated? If I can easily transport the same amount I might just wreck it instead.

I�m thinking about devoting the 1st US Corps to this task if I do it. That would mean 2 IDs + tanks less for the Mindanao assault. Not sure it will matter though. 8 Divisions instead of 10. I doubt that is going to make a massive difference. Terrain is pretty brutal on Mindanao though.

Perhaps its time to push up the date of the Marianas landings. That would free 7 divisions. I also have the DEI landings tying up 5 divisions...hmmm.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 7:41:00 AM

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Nice one. Those Jap CA's pack a powerful punch. Always good to take down Meatball ships. In fact anything Meatball taken down is good

P.S. Keep us posted how those LCI(G)'s work out. I'm using mine in my next invasions.........As you also say so much time and shipping is used for logistics! I still can't get enough TK/AO in my game vs Faber to move all the fuel that is needed. There's just an ever increasing demand for it!

When I used them in a landing earlier they just blasted the defenders.

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Pre-Invasion action off Waigeo (82,106)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

18 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
DD Izard
DD Hazelwood
DD Haraden
DD Albert Grant
DD Evans
DD Callaghan
DD Bennion
LCI(G)-82
LCI(G)-81
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
LCI(G)-78
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76
APA Knox
DD Knapp

Japanese ground losses:
537 casualties reported BOOM!
Squads: 0 destroyed, 48 disabled BOOM!
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

But in later landings they havn�t caused much damage at all. I don�t know why that is. Forts?

Are you using some of those xAKs to haul fuel? I have 2x100 Liberty ship TFs do doing just that. They still carry almost 250.000 fuel!

Nice on the LCI(G)'s. Assuming they had the ammo on the follow up landings?

Re: AK's - yup I have 250 x AK's hauling fuel all over the place - PH, Aus, Sumatra etc.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 7:53:34 AM

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Yepp, Ammo was replenished on the later landings. I just checked the forts and that doesn�t seem to explain much. At Waigeo there were level 3 forts in place and at Sorong level 4.

Difference is striking.

Waigeo

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LCI(G)-82
LCI(G)-81
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
LCI(G)-78
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76

Japanese ground losses:
537 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 48 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Sorong

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LCI(G)-82
LCI(G)-81
LCI(G)-80
LCI(G)-79
LCI(G)-78
LCI(G)-77
LCI(G)-76

Japanese ground losses:
26 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

The latter example is what I usually see. I don�t understand what is causing the difference. I want it to go boom like at Waigeo all the time!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 8:10:20 AM

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Hmm. Odd indeed. Well. At least they sometimes have an effect. I remember in the original WiTP they always had no effect!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 11:49:10 AM

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Time table first draft

This is mainly for my own sake to help organize my head but feel free to comment. Good or bad.

Assignment of the CV Fleet for the rest of -44.

Thrym
About to wrap up. I�ll allow CV support until some more bases in Phase 3 are secured.
ETA - Rest of July

DEI Landings
CV Support until bases capable of LBA is established on Timor.
August

Rest and Refit
Fleet go to Sydney for rest and upgrades.
Early September

Marianas
October. Zoom in, land troops. Put LBA up.

Mindanao/PI
November and December

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 1:14:28 PM

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Mindanoa - Rather than go head first into Davao, how about a two phase approach?? Land first at Jolo [AF 3(5)], Basilan [AF 0(5)], and maybe Zamboanga [AF 1(4)] before going for Cotabato [2(7)] which is clear terrain for your tanks and another potential size 9 AF. A side benefit will allow you access into the Sula Sea and eventually into the South China Sea.

Possible goal - This got me to come up with a wild idea while typing this. Rather than focus on Balikpapan and the oil/fuel, go for cutting off that flow, PLUS isolation of his troops. Your troops in Burma will shift to the east and drive into Thailand. Your massive Allied CV fleet will cover landings in the CamRanh Bay area to close off the flow of oil/fuel east to Japan and the flow of supplies to Burma to supply his armies. A giant pincer movement.

Just something to think about.

EDIT - There are two potential size 9 AFs in NE Borneo (Jessleton and Kudat).

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 1:33:33 PM

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I don't think it's changed in mods. Balikpapan produces 300 oil and 300 fuel per day. It's for sure worth having locally. It has a good-sized port too.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 7:44:07 PM

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I don't think it's changed in mods. Balikpapan produces 300 oil and 300 fuel per day. It's for sure worth having locally. It has a good-sized port too.

I just looked at my industry screen for Balikpapan and the 300 oil points translate to 3000 tons per day!
For the refinery, 300 points produces 2700 tons of fuel and 300 tons of supply. The latter might be worth saving if you are having any issues bringing supply forward. If you want to starve out the Borneo defenders, you must take it or destroy it.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/7/2013 7:50:32 PM

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I don't think it's changed in mods. Balikpapan produces 300 oil and 300 fuel per day. It's for sure worth having locally. It has a good-sized port too.

I just looked at my industry screen for Balikpapan and the 300 oil points translate to 3000 tons per day!
For the refinery, 300 points produces 2700 tons of fuel and 300 tons of supply. The latter might be worth saving if you are having any issues bringing supply forward. If you want to starve out the Borneo defenders, you must take it or destroy it.

A better answer. I just looked at my AI game's raw map numbers. Balikpapan in my past AI games has kept Manila and a vast armada based there in local fuel. If it is taken it probably comes with a big pile already.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/8/2013 8:55:59 AM

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Wow, I go out and have some beers ONE night and I�m almost off the first page!

Man I feel like crap today. Ouch. Too much of the good stuff. Tequila is NEVER a good idea...

I�m just too nauseous to do much but I managed to get a turn off to Erik. I�ll get back to you guys in while. I think I will have to do some of this first:

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/8/2013 11:03:08 AM

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I've only passed out from drinking three times in my life and thankfully they happened decades ago to the same drink you just tangled with. That worm can be nasty.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/8/2013 12:47:45 PM

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LOL. I wish I could have one of those nights again! Now I'm married and have developed some recent intolerances for Yeast, Wheat and Gluten it limits what I can have dramatically. A big night for me is now either Vodka or Champagne (the only 2 alcoholic drinks I can have with these intolerances). I miss beer!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/8/2013 4:19:46 PM

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I've only passed out from drinking three times in my life and thankfully they happened decades ago to the same drink you just tangled with. That worm can be nasty.

I had a bad night with the T. when I was 17. I have not had a drink of it since, and the smell still makes me leave the vicinity. I know someone has the same reaction to bourbon. Strange how the mind works.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/8/2013 7:44:46 PM

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I've only passed out from drinking three times in my life and thankfully they happened decades ago to the same drink you just tangled with. That worm can be nasty.

I had a bad night with the T. when I was 17. I have not had a drink of it since, and the smell still makes me leave the vicinity. I know someone has the same reaction to bourbon. Strange how the mind works.

+1, but for me it was Akvavit/Ouzo or any other version of licorice flavoured alcohol. I was in Egypt with the UN at the time and the PX stocked liquor from Greece [close supplier] and Finland [for the Finn Contingent].
The Poles tried to get me into a friendly vodka drinking match, but fortunately I knew better!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/8/2013 8:15:45 PM

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I've only passed out from drinking three times in my life and thankfully they happened decades ago to the same drink you just tangled with. That worm can be nasty.

I had a bad night with the T. when I was 17. I have not had a drink of it since, and the smell still makes me leave the vicinity. I know someone has the same reaction to bourbon. Strange how the mind works.

I had a similar thing with Gin for many years. Stole half a bottle from my mum when I was 15 or something like that. Ended quite poorly for me vomiting while wearing a motorcycle helmet!

Took 15 years before I could even smell gin without getting sick...

BB,

Ouzo is nasty business. I hate that licorice taste. Yuck! Akvavit on the other hand, thats proper drink!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/9/2013 7:58:32 AM

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Back to business after a good nights sleep!

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Mindanoa - Rather than go head first into Davao, how about a two phase approach?? Land first at Jolo [AF 3(5)], Basilan [AF 0(5)], and maybe Zamboanga [AF 1(4)] before going for Cotabato [2(7)] which is clear terrain for your tanks and another potential size 9 AF. A side benefit will allow you access into the Sula Sea and eventually into the South China Sea.

Possible goal - This got me to come up with a wild idea while typing this. Rather than focus on Balikpapan and the oil/fuel, go for cutting off that flow, PLUS isolation of his troops. Your troops in Burma will shift to the east and drive into Thailand. Your massive Allied CV fleet will cover landings in the CamRanh Bay area to close off the flow of oil/fuel east to Japan and the flow of supplies to Burma to supply his armies. A giant pincer movement.

Just something to think about.

EDIT - There are two potential size 9 AFs in NE Borneo (Jessleton and Kudat).

Great minds think alike?

I�m already prepping the troops from the Waigo assault (500 AV) for Jolo. And I have a reinforced Corps prepping for Cotabato! About CamRanh bay I�m not so sure...certainly ambitious! But that require possible the entire SOPAC command (12 IDs) and I don�t want to divert from my intended goal of securing the philippines. My ultimate goal is to get B29s on Formosa. From there I can start pounding the Jap industry.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/9/2013 8:05:40 AM

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Balikpapan or not?

Well, I decided that 80-90.000 fuel per month is worth the effort. While nothing game changing it will help out. But if Erik invests too heavy here I will just smash it instead. I won�t divert too much attention to this though. The newly arrived 96th ID and 124th Cavalry RGT will start prepping. A Corp HQ and some arty will assist.

My general fuel situation has certainly picked up the last few days. The 200k convoy started unloading at Sarmi yesterday. 650k more will arrive within the week. That should be enough to secure SOPAC Commands need for at least a month. When the Fleet shifts to DEI they can drink directly from the OZ reserves instead.

I also sent a 50k AO TF north to top off the CV fleet.

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/9/2013 8:36:21 AM

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20th-25th July -44

Japanese counter attack imminent?
Besides the Battle of Namlea almost no combat has taken place. The eerie quiet continues. I really looked through the map the last couple of turns and my suspicion that Erik plans a massive counter attack is reinforced. I�m "missing" something like 600 Fighters in Burma/China region. The usual 800 Fighters at Bangkok is down to 250 and the 200 Fighters on the Chinese border are also gone. Question is when he will strike back. My CVs are replenished of both planes and fuel. I refigured the CAP a bit adding some Hellcats to low CAP at 5000ft together with some Seafires and Corsair IIs. 350 Corsairs will stay up at 12k ft for now.

Thrym
Still going well. I�ve attached a screen of the situation. I�m spreading out and trying to take advantage of all the empty dot bases. Ternate is about to get surrounded. Unfortunately it looks like Erik has reinforced Manado. Last turn I had 15k men and some 200 guns listed there. So 5k men + 200 guns have been added. A BDE? Hopefully my two IDs will be enough. Turns out I only had one Tank unit prepping for the dot base. But it was a 72 LVT unit so thats almost as good as 2 Tank BTLs!

I�ve decided to lend CV support to cover a BF landing just North of Ternate. The BFs are onboard APAs/AKAs and Morotai is just level 3 AF. Can�t divert enough LRCAP to feel safe. Lets see if that lures out the KB and his counter attack. I�ll place my CVs between the landing and Manado. This is perhaps an unnecessary risk as I could just wait until Morotai was built up but I would still be tricky. I wan�t to build up the Moluccas to a major Allied stronghold that can be used to support the Mindanao invasion. Ternate will be left to rot though.

Marianas
Erik is continuing to pound Tinian. For the first time in over a month he actually managed to close the AF. I don�t know why is burning so much energy here but I�ll take it!

Strategic Bombing Campaign
Almost everything in range of Burma is toast. I have some 127 oil left at Medan to smoke. B29 pools are back to roughly 20 planes. I�ll probably rebase the XX Bomber Command to OZ shortly. There they will join the XXI bomber command to smash whatever is in Range in the DEI. I wonder what 220 B29s can do?

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/9/2013 3:56:51 PM

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I did something very risky this turn. If Erik has the KB in the vicinity I may lose a good chunk of my assault shipping. I�ve sent a big TF with troops for Talaud. CVs are standing off Morotai and 120 Hellcats are on LRCAP. This is backed up with 75 P47s from Morotai itself. But this is certainly not enough if Erik has the KB in the vicinity.

If he does I might lose a good chunk of the shipping but most of the troops should be able to unload during the night. Looks like Erik only has some 7000 troops there. This is quite risky but I feel securing Talaud quickly unhinges Sangi and Manado as well as give me a even longer peek into the PI.

Who dares win...?

Nervous times ahead...

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/9/2013 5:13:12 PM

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I�m getting spoiled with good fortune lately!

Troops ashore, no losses in ships and the base will very soon be securely in allied hands! Proper update coming tonight.

Huzzah!

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RE: Operation Thrym - 6/9/2013 5:27:22 PM

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