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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Hey guys!

Short update. Erik is really keen on playing on. As usual we have a good email exchange ongoing and there are certainly no ill will or bad blood between us in anyway. But Erik is of course trying to downplay the effect of the invulnerable transports while I probably give the issue more attention than it really deserves.

I arrived at a point when Iīm still kicking myself so badly for not dealing with this a long time ago despite knowing something was up. But Iīm slowly getting to where its not gnawing at me to badly any more. Iīm mostly angry for the extra time it cost me at all those places where Erik flew in reinforcements in the nick of time. Jolo for instance took 3 months instead of 3 days. Perhaps Port Moresby was the worst case where I was delayed for something like 4-5 months stopping the entire SWPAC advance dead in its tracks.

Its of course too late to change that now and I canīt very well get any "compensation" for that now. Iīm just not sure I can find the motivation to get going again. I just lost 3 months for nothing at Mindanao with the assumption that the troops beaten there would not be on Luzon. Knowing I was powerless to stop this I would of course have settled for Cotabato alone and just blitzed into Luzon right away. As you all know I have been halting my advance just before the Kami line to deal with the forces on Mindanao and then go for Luzon.

Motivation to get going again isnīt that high and it kind of felt pretty good not having to do turns and spend some time with Maria in the evenings instead of sitting by the computer. I totally get where Canoerebel was getting at with his motivation. Iīm just not sure I have the energy to get going again.

Erik as I said really wants to play on and asked that if I didnīt want to Iīll fins a replacement player. Thats where I get REALLY conflicting feelings. While I certainly donīt want to leave Erik hanging I really donīt want to give the game over to someone else. Its my baby dammit! So I guess I will either have to buck up myself or deal with the fact that I will have to abandon 3 years of effort to someone else.

Anyway, Erik asked me if there is anything we can do to move on. I donīt know. But if michaelm doesnīt fix this I have a very hard time seeing how we could deal with this in a meaningful way. There is absolutely no way I could continue playing knowing that Erik can withdraw or reinforce unhindered via air. I also donīt have the slightest clue how one would deal with this using HRs. You canīt just ban using transports. I will probably be depending on a airbridge at Tavoy for example. I have not taken advantage of the allied transport abilities yet but plan on doing so. As you canīt fly the "hump" in this game due to OPS losses (OPS losser are higher than reinforcements. I tried 2 weeks ago loosing 28 planes to OPS in a single turn. Splendid! ) the transport fleet has been mostly idle. I now intended to put them to good use at Tavoy.

I have absolutely no idea how we could play on unless michaelm sorts this out. If anyone has any ideas though Iīm all ears.

Cheers guys!

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

So, this game is on hold until (if?) Michaelm sorts this out. Talked a bit to Erik and I was adamant I donīt want to play on with the game as it is. The ability to air transport is disruptive to game play as it is. With it invulnerable...nah. Not for me.

Still no word from michealm so Iīm guessing that even if this might eventually be looked at it might be some time. Erik and I might do a small scenario or something in the meantime. We will see. I took the opportunity to start renovating the master bedroom. Its taking forever with a 10 months old crawling around climbing in/over/on everything and nothing. Kind of cute though!

Not sure what scenario to do if any though. Suggestions? Might try and convince Erik to get Panzer Corps instead. Also have EDtBR but never got into it.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

So, this game is on hold until (if?) Michaelm sorts this out. Talked a bit to Erik and I was adamant I donīt want to play on with the game as it is. The ability to air transport is disruptive to game play as it is. With it invulnerable...nah. Not for me.

Still no word from michealm so Iīm guessing that even if this might eventually be looked at it might be some time. Erik and I might do a small scenario or something in the meantime. We will see. I took the opportunity to start renovating the master bedroom. Its taking forever with a 10 months old crawling around climbing in/over/on everything and nothing. Kind of cute though!

Not sure what scenario to do if any though. Suggestions? Might try and convince Erik to get Panzer Corps instead. Also have EDtBR but never got into it.

Hey! My suggestion is not to throw away three years of work, man. You're into a really fun era, and your opponent ought to be given the chance to see it too.

A radical suggestion that might boil away all the stuff about air transport and get at the rocky core here--do you want to play this epic out to the end or not? If you do, propose an HR starting today that neither of you will use air transport the rest of the game for troops. Zero. Nada. Just supply, search, and recon.

If the issue is REALLY air transport, just say no. You get to be mad about Mindanao, he has to suck up all the HR and effort he's put into building a huge transport fleet and adjust whatever plans he had to use them again. Both of you have skin in the game. And it lets you demonstrate whether it's about air transport, or you just not wanting to put in the effort any more. That's fine, but if that's it be up-front.

I think down the road you'll feel better about whatever the decision is if you do it that way. Waiting for Michael to do what could be a radical re-write (IOW, "not") puts the onus on him and not on you and your opponent. Make the decision yourselves; don't fade away waiting for Michael.

You'll be happy you did.

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ORIGINAL: witpqs

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

So, this game is on hold until (if?) Michaelm sorts this out. Talked a bit to Erik and I was adamant I donīt want to play on with the game as it is. The ability to air transport is disruptive to game play as it is. With it invulnerable...nah. Not for me.

Still no word from michealm so Iīm guessing that even if this might eventually be looked at it might be some time. Erik and I might do a small scenario or something in the meantime. We will see. I took the opportunity to start renovating the master bedroom. Its taking forever with a 10 months old crawling around climbing in/over/on everything and nothing. Kind of cute though!

Not sure what scenario to do if any though. Suggestions? Might try and convince Erik to get Panzer Corps instead. Also have EDtBR but never got into it.

Hey! My suggestion is not to throw away three years of work, man. You're into a really fun era, and your opponent ought to be given the chance to see it too.

A radical suggestion that might boil away all the stuff about air transport and get at the rocky core here--do you want to play this epic out to the end or not? If you do, propose an HR starting today that neither of you will use air transport the rest of the game for troops. Zero. Nada. Just supply, search, and recon.

If the issue is REALLY air transport, just say no. You get to be mad about Mindanao, he has to suck up all the HR and effort he's put into building a huge transport fleet and adjust whatever plans he had to use them again. Both of you have skin in the game. And it lets you demonstrate whether it's about air transport, or you just not wanting to put in the effort any more. That's fine, but if that's it be up-front.

I think down the road you'll feel better about whatever the decision is if you do it that way. Waiting for Michael to do what could be a radical re-write (IOW, "not") puts the onus on him and not on you and your opponent. Make the decision yourselves; don't fade away waiting for Michael.

You'll be happy you did.

+1

In my own opinion (if it were my game), it's a tiny issue. I wouldn't even HR it. I would just try to find counters and the times when I couldn't I would live it.

YMMV

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ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Oh and for the bug/issue.

The fact that intercept works 'right' (maybe better rather than right) in official and not in the beta, to me means it should be possible to track down the issue in fairly short order.

I am not a programmer though, especially of a beast like this program.

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ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Oh and for the bug/issue.

The fact that intercept works 'right' (maybe better rather than right) in official and not in the beta, to me means it should be possible to track down the issue in fairly short order.

I am not a programmer though, especially of a beast like this program.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: catwhoorg

Oh and for the bug/issue.

The fact that intercept works 'right' (maybe better rather than right) in official and not in the beta, to me means it should be possible to track down the issue in fairly short order.

I am not a programmer though, especially of a beast like this program.

I did a quick look at the beta notes and saw only one line a bunch of versions ago that directly went to air transport. It had to do with parachutist loading only. I'd bet whatever changed is intertwined.

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Ground combat at Saipan (108,93)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 40594 troops, 895 guns, 917 vehicles, Assault Value = 1628

Defending force 31432 troops, 401 guns, 358 vehicles, Assault Value = 641

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 2015

Japanese adjusted defense: 2053

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1606 casualties reported
Squads: 39 destroyed, 80 disabled
Non Combat: 8 destroyed, 75 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 60 (6 destroyed, 54 disabled)
Vehicles lost 8 (2 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
2260 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 256 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 47 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 44 disabled
Guns lost 72 (3 destroyed, 69 disabled)
Vehicles lost 35 (2 destroyed, 33 disabled)

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Radio call sign of CV Amagi detected at 101,59.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

10th October 1944
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Well, the game is on again.

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Amphibious Assault at Saipan (108,93)

TF 246 troops unloading over beach at Saipan, 108,93

Allied ground losses:
948 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 197 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 81 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 73 (0 destroyed, 73 disabled)
Vehicles lost 43 (0 destroyed, 43 disabled)

13 troops of a USMC Rifle Squad 44 lost in surf during unload of 5th Marine Div /10

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Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 19024 troops, 288 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 873

Defending force 46968 troops, 846 guns, 1663 vehicles, Assault Value = 1895

Japanese ground losses:
201 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 12 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Guns lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Vehicles lost 1 (1 destroyed, 0 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
7 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled

Assaulting units:
12th Ind.Mixed Regiment
1st Indpt SNLF Coy
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
87th Infantry Brigade
3rd South Seas Gsn
18th Tank Regiment
23rd Tank Regiment
Yokosuka 7th SNLF
49th Ind.Mixed Brigade
47th Naval Guard Unit
63rd Field AA Battalion
47th JNAF AF Unit /2
25th Special Base Force
38th Road Const Co /1
62nd Air Flotilla
8th Area Army
34th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
58th Field AA Battalion
3rd Naval Construction Battalion
8th Base Force /1
8th Ind. Engineer Regiment
2nd JNAF AF Unit
134th AA Regiment
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
18th RF Gun Battalion
61st Field AA Battalion
16th Field AF Construction Battalion
4th Fleet
36th Field AA Battalion
3rd Ind.AA Gun Co
59th Field AA Battalion
28th Air Flotilla /2
30th Field Artillery Regiment
17th Naval Const Bn /1
106th JAAF AF Bn /2

Defending units:
762nd Tank Battalion
4th Marine Div /8
710th Tank Battalion
31st Infantry Div /9
716th Tank Battalion
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
193rd Tank Battalion
77th Infantry Div /8
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
I Corps Artillery
XIV Corps Artillery
205th Field Artillery Battalion

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Ground combat at Saipan (108,93)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 18015 troops, 296 guns, 34 vehicles, Assault Value = 548

Defending force 66433 troops, 1146 guns, 1528 vehicles, Assault Value = 1747

Japanese ground losses:
311 casualties reported
Squads: 7 destroyed, 15 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 13 (3 destroyed, 10 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
6 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

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Ground combat at Lautem (72,115)

Japanese Bombardment attack

Attacking force 3379 troops, 23 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 190

Defending force 13859 troops, 140 guns, 456 vehicles, Assault Value = 621

Japanese ground losses:
9 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
4th Tank Regiment
124th Infantry Regiment
9th Field AF Construction Battalion
65th JNAF AF Unit

Defending units:
1st Army Tank Regiment
2/5th Armoured Regiment
2/6th Armoured Regiment
7th Australian Division
I Australian Corps