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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 7:37:09 AM   
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Here is the plan for tomorrow!




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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 7:46:34 AM   
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Here is a map of what is planned short term. Long term planning map coming within the week.






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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 7:47:14 AM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 8:35:11 AM   
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Here is the current situation.






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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 9:19:12 AM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 2:28:08 PM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 2:43:54 PM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 6:50:15 PM   
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What fighters were used by Obvert in the fight over Lomblen with the massive sweep losses ?

I would be very interested in this combat report for the Lomblen attack. If you don´t like to post
it here i would be glad to get a PM or Mail. Many thanks !

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/27/2013 7:06:31 PM   
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ORIGINAL: seille

a question, JocMeister

What fighters were used by Obvert in the fight over Lomblen with the massive sweep losses ?

I would be very interested in this combat report for the Lomblen attack. If you don´t like to post
it here i would be glad to get a PM or Mail. Many thanks !


Hey,

No problem at all. Here it is!

I think there are a couple of reasons for the poor result.

- I´m intentionally putting "green" pilots in the P38. (EXP 50, Air 70, DEF 70)
- Almost max range.
- Erik got really good detection times so his CAP was probably able to climb above the sweep getting the almighty dive on my P38s.
- Numerical advantage

In a few days 100 Corsairs will sweep. Results will be very different.

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Afternoon Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 27 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 32
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 17
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 9
Ki-84a Frank x 52

Allied aircraft
P-38H Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38H Lightning: 3 destroyed

CAP engaged:
256 Ku S-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 6 on standby, 7 scrambling)
2 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 8 on standby, 20 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 28000 and 35300.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 36 minutes
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 31000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 16 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 28000 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes
25th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 20 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 29000 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
25th I.F.Chutai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (6 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters to 32000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 17 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 30 NM, estimated altitude 33,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 7 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 30
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 10
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 51

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-44-IIc Tojo: 2 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

CAP engaged:
256 Ku S-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 27890 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 37 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 4 on standby, 15 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 38 minutes
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 3 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 7 on standby, 0 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 35000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 47 minutes
25th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 12 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes
25th I.F.Chutai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 2 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 17000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 18 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 40 NM, estimated altitude 31,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 9 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 15
N1K2-J George x 30
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 6
Ki-84a Frank x 43

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
10 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
256 Ku S-1 with J2M5 Jack (6 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30890 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 31 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 4 scrambling)
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 11 being recalled, 3 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 15000 and 33000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 52 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
12 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30270 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
25th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (2 airborne, 6 on standby, 3 scrambling)
2 plane(s) intercepting now.
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 46 minutes
25th I.F.Chutai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 20000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 27 minutes
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters to 17000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 10 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 23 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 13
N1K2-J George x 23
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 5
Ki-84a Frank x 37

Allied aircraft
P-38J Lightning x 20

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38J Lightning: 2 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
12 x P-38J Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
256 Ku S-1 with J2M5 Jack (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30890 and 39000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
16 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 4 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 29000 and 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 39 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 36000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 32 minutes
25th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
10 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 16000 and 39000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
25th I.F.Chutai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 2 minutes
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 1 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 32000 and 38000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 45 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 25 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 5 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 9
N1K2-J George x 17
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 27

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M5 Jack: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
15 x P-38L Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
256 Ku S-1 with J2M5 Jack (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 33800 and 38440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 28 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 4 being recalled, 2 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31000 and 39440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 1 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
6 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30270 and 36440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
25th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 2 scrambling)
11 plane(s) not yet engaged, 2 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 38440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 34 minutes
25th I.F.Chutai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
3 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 32000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 41 minutes
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 33000 and 36440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes



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Afternoon Air attack on Lomblen , at 68,113

Weather in hex: Light rain

Raid detected at 45 NM, estimated altitude 34,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Japanese aircraft
J2M5 Jack x 7
N1K2-J George x 16
Ki-44-IIc Tojo x 5
Ki-45 KAIa Nick x 4
Ki-84a Frank x 23

Allied aircraft
P-38L Lightning x 22

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K2-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38L Lightning: 3 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x P-38L Lightning sweeping at 31000 feet

CAP engaged:
256 Ku S-1 with J2M5 Jack (3 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
3 plane(s) intercepting now.
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 33000 and 34000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 11 minutes
S-306 Hikotai with N1K2-J George (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 3 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 27000 and 37000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 29 minutes
25th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
8 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 30000 and 36000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
25th I.F.Chutai with Ki-45 KAIa Nick (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 3 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 10000 , scrambling fighters between 32000 and 35200.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 21 minutes
9th Sentai with Ki-44-IIc Tojo (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
4 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 34000 and 36440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 24 minutes
24th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (1 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 31000 , scrambling fighters between 31710 and 34440.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes



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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/28/2013 2:27:14 PM   
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Not often do things go as planned...But this time they do! The 15th was a very good day for the allies!

A word of warning. Long post!

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Badelbaob
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The two bombardments go in just as planned.

quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Babeldaob at 90,97

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
J2M3 Jack: 35 damaged
J2M3 Jack: 1 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 90 damaged
N1K2-J George: 20 destroyed on ground
Ki-56 Thalia: 66 damaged
Ki-56 Thalia: 6 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 40 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 12 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 93 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 13 destroyed on ground
Ki-57-I Topsy: 9 damaged
Ki-57-I Topsy: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 31 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 damaged
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed on ground

Allied Ships
CA Sleipner
CA Canberra II
CA Boston

Japanese ground losses:
136 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 25 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 10 disabled

Airbase hits 38
Airbase supply hits 7
Runway hits 91

OS2U-3 Kingfisher acting as spotter for CA Sleipner
CA Sleipner firing at Babeldaob
CA Canberra II firing at Babeldaob
CA Boston firing at Babeldaob


quote:

Night Naval bombardment of Babeldaob at 90,97 - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Japanese aircraft losses
L2D2 Tabby: 20 damaged
L2D2 Tabby: 6 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 32 damaged
Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 95 damaged
N1K2-J George: 16 destroyed on ground
Ki-56 Thalia: 32 damaged
Ki-56 Thalia: 10 destroyed on ground
J2M3 Jack: 53 damaged
J2M3 Jack: 9 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 28 damaged
H8K2 Emily: 5 destroyed on ground
Ki-57-I Topsy: 3 damaged
Ki-57-I Topsy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-57-II Topsy: 5 damaged
Ki-57-II Topsy: 2 destroyed on ground

6 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
CA Wichita
CA Minneapolis
CA Chicago
CA Chester
CL Helena
CL St. Louis

Japanese ground losses:
179 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 22 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Vehicles lost 2 (1 destroyed, 1 disabled)

Airbase hits 23
Airbase supply hits 10
Runway hits 32
Port hits 1

CA Wichita firing at Babeldaob
CA Minneapolis firing at Babeldaob
CA Chicago firing at Babeldaob
CA Chester firing at Babeldoap Naval Fortress
Babeldoap Naval Fortress firing at CA Chester
CL Helena firing at Babeldaob
CL St. Louis firing at Babeldaob


Turns out the sweeps wern´t necessary as no CAP took to the air during the day! After the naval bombardment the air bombardment goes in!

quote:

Morning Air attack on Babeldaob , at 90,97

Weather in hex: Heavy cloud

Raid spotted at 35 NM, estimated altitude 16,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 12 minutes

Japanese aircraft
no flights

Allied aircraft
B-24J Liberator x 7
B-17E Fortress x 3
B-24D Liberator x 9
B-24D1 Liberator x 11
B-24J Liberator x 34
PB4Y-1 Liberator x 30

Japanese aircraft losses
Ki-56 Thalia: 2 destroyed on ground
J2M3 Jack: 3 destroyed on ground
N1K2-J George: 7 destroyed on ground
L2D2 Tabby: 1 destroyed on ground
H8K2 Emily: 2 destroyed on ground
Ki-57-II Topsy: 1 destroyed on ground
Ki-84a Frank: 5 destroyed on ground

Allied aircraft losses
B-24D Liberator: 1 damaged
B-24J Liberator: 1 damaged
PB4Y-1 Liberator: 1 damaged

Airbase hits 15
Airbase supply hits 2
Runway hits 37


This is followed by wave after wave of bombers. When the dust settles 249 Japanese planes are reported to have been destroyed on the runways! A good day!

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I had ordered attack on both Saipan and Guam. I was quite worried about both of them but they went as good as could be expected!

quote:

Ground combat at Saipan (108,93)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 48344 troops, 1063 guns, 1046 vehicles, Assault Value = 1784

Defending force 29909 troops, 389 guns, 355 vehicles, Assault Value = 540

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 3

Allied adjusted assault: 2456

Japanese adjusted defense: 1521

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1937 casualties reported
Squads: 35 destroyed, 122 disabled
Non Combat: 3 destroyed, 63 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 96 (11 destroyed, 85 disabled)
Vehicles lost 21 (4 destroyed, 17 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1326 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 146 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 40 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 20 disabled
Guns lost 33 (4 destroyed, 29 disabled)
Vehicles lost 43 (2 destroyed, 41 disabled)


So for the first time we achieve a solid 1:1 and cause more casualties than we suffer. If earlier events are an indication the situation will deteriorate quickly for the Japanese from now on. Good news!

At Guam the situation looks quietly optimistic!

quote:

Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 44652 troops, 849 guns, 1479 vehicles, Assault Value = 1900

Defending force 32199 troops, 486 guns, 267 vehicles, Assault Value = 866

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 5

Allied adjusted assault: 748

Japanese adjusted defense: 4247

Allied assault odds: 1 to 5 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2735 casualties reported
Squads: 16 destroyed, 214 disabled
Non Combat: 9 destroyed, 55 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 40 disabled
Guns lost 105 (15 destroyed, 90 disabled)
Vehicles lost 51 (14 destroyed, 37 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
1209 casualties reported
Squads: 3 destroyed, 124 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 88 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 78 disabled
Guns lost 73 (2 destroyed, 71 disabled)
Vehicles lost 208 (32 destroyed, 176 disabled) <-- Ouch. First time I lose a Sherman in battle!

Assaulting units:
716th Tank Battalion
762nd Tank Battalion
1st USMC Amphb Tank Battalion
77th Infantry Division
31st Infantry Division
XIV Corps Combat Engineer Regiment
710th Tank Battalion
193rd Tank Battalion
4th Marine Division
670th Tank Destroyer Battalion
9th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
Sixth US Army
I Corps Artillery
XIV Corps Artillery
10th USMC Field Artillery Battalion
205th Field Artillery Battalion

Defending units:
21st Ind.Mixed Brigade
49th Ind.Mixed Brigade
12th Ind.Mixed Regiment
3rd South Seas Gsn
Yokosuka 7th SNLF
23rd Tank Regiment
87th Infantry Brigade
1st Indpt SNLF Coy
18th Tank Regiment
47th Naval Guard Unit
61st Field AA Battalion
8th Base Force /1
30th Field Artillery Regiment
3rd Ind.AA Gun Co
18th RF Gun Battalion
17th Naval Const Bn /1
38th Road Const Co /1
28th Air Flotilla /2
25th Special Base Force
47th JNAF AF Unit /2
3rd Naval Construction Battalion
2nd JNAF AF Unit
4th Fleet
16th Field AF Construction Battalion
62nd Air Flotilla
59th Field AA Battalion
8th Ind. Engineer Regiment
36th Field AA Battalion
63rd Field AA Battalion
58th Field AA Battalion
134th AA Regiment
34th Ind. Engr Rgt /1
3rd IJN Special Coastal Gun Battalion
8th Area Army
106th JAAF AF Bn /2


Tanks save the day here. I´ll rest for a few days before having another go. But dropping the forts in the first try has to be considered a success! I´m happy!

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DEI
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After two days of fighting we secure Lautem! No Japanese intervention at all. Very strange.

quote:

Ground combat at Lautem (72,115)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 12164 troops, 140 guns, 425 vehicles, Assault Value = 600

Defending force 4762 troops, 45 guns, 44 vehicles, Assault Value = 118

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 1

Allied adjusted assault: 546

Japanese adjusted defense: 113

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Lautem !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
1731 casualties reported
Squads: 35 destroyed, 60 disabled
Non Combat: 96 destroyed, 14 disabled
Engineers: 51 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 16 (14 destroyed, 2 disabled)
Vehicles lost 47 (47 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 4

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!


Reinforcements and BFs are already loading at Darwin. But first I have to deal with his LRCAP. Tomorrow a big USMC sweep will go in over Lomblem. I have high expectations from this sweep. I hope not only to decimate Erik fighters but also to deal a moral blow after the P38 sweeps. Once his LRCAP is dealt with he will have to withdraw his naval forces from the area. He knows I have over 100 Beauforts in the area.

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Philippines archipelago
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San Jose is secured with almost no opposition. This activated the Kamikazes and it will be interesting to see how much impact they will have. Hopefully the changes in the BETA has taken the edge of them. Assuming here they are treated as bombers by the code and thus are subject to the change in coordination?

I split the division and head for the other 2 bases on the small island. I will have a few more weeks to build up bases before the main show starts.

Another USMC sweep is ordered in the area. This is mostly just a show of force and to try and deal a moral blow.

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Tavoy
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Not much happening. I closed the AF at Murgui. Erik had a CAP up that was smacked around by my P51 sweep. About 8:1 in our favor.

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Manado
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Finally reaches level 9. The B29 will rebase here shortly to start working over Soerabaja and other bases. First the B29s have a special mission to do...

Here is a screen showing the success of the Badelbaob mission!




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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/28/2013 5:20:32 PM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/28/2013 8:28:35 PM   
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Nice to see those George's torched on the ground, as opposed to seeing them in the air.....


Indeed!

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/28/2013 8:47:05 PM   
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A pretty quiet turn. Not the fireworks I expected.

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PI archipelago
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BFs and support troops land uninterrupted at San Jose. The sweeps sent in over Naga finds only 7 fighters on CAP.

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DEI
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In a strange turn of events none of the Corsair sweeps fly. But a Hellcats sweep from the same base does. The Hellcats take a beating of course. I thought I messed up the settings but every thing checks out. Odd.

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Marianas
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Bombardments at both Saipan and Guam take out about 80 Jap troops each. We rest for another day.

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Borneo
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11th Airborne division try to grab Dongalla (see map) on the cheap. Unfortunately they fail because I assigned to few transports. The forts were also higher than expected. Crap.

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Ground combat at Donggala (68,99)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 1205 troops, 58 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 70

Defending force 1724 troops, 16 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 11

Allied adjusted assault: 35

Japanese adjusted defense: 19

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 4)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 3

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), preparation(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
77 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 12 disabled
Guns lost 3 (1 destroyed, 2 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
24 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
11th Airborne Div /1

Defending units:
4th Naval Construction Battalion
41st JNAF AF Unit


Its no disaster as I will secure Balikpapan soon but annoying nevertheless. I´ll try to pump in more troops and unleash the 4Es and see what happens. Erik will most likely fly in more troops just to annoy me. Its too far to intercept.

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Strategic Bombings
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The B29s pay a daylight visit to Hong Kong as Erik has neglected to put fighters there. Results are a bit underwhelming as the damage is almost lower than what I expect in night attacks.

Some 30.000 fires are started. Thats it. I can usually get at least that by night. Ah, well.




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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/29/2013 7:38:06 AM   
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Looks like Erik is sending in the fleet. I think I can handle anything short of the KB. I guess we'll find out shortly!

Allied Naval presence
2 BBs
5 CAs
2 Modern CLs
2 Old CLs
30 DDs.

This is backed up by a large number of Naval bombers including USN Avengers and attack bombers.

I wonder if this is the area that he will chose to send in the Kamis for the first time. Its eerily quiet in the area. I had expected a massive Japanese effort to stop the reinforcements for Tavoy. Very strange that I have seen no reaction at all.




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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/29/2013 6:18:24 PM   
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If a unit is converted to Kamis. Do they intel show them as bombers or is it dependent on the actual airframe? So a Fighter squadron converted to Kamis will still read as fighters when I hover the mouse over the base?


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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/29/2013 8:37:08 PM   
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Overall a pretty quiet day. Some good and some bad.

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DEI
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Lets start with the not so good. My Sweeps took off today. 24x4 Corsair Ds. Two of the squadrons had extremely good pilots so I expected good results here. That did not happen though. 33 Jap planes are shot down for 24 own losses. Not good. I reran the turn and watched the whole replay to see what happened. Turns out Erik got about 20 minutes warning on each of the sweeps. This gave his planes time to climb above my sweeps and then dive on them.

I have to change tactics here I think. My pools are really fragile and the Corsair and Hellcat pools are almost empty. And I don´t want to give away kills to Erik at this rate. I´ll have to come up with something to counter this. I´m thinking perhaps I should start mixing in some high altitude LRCAP using P47s and/or Hellcats. These are the only two planes I have that are allowed on the top MVR band per our HR.

Just goes to show that whenever you think you started to get the hang of things the game throws a curveball at you!

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Dongalla
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Remember that paradrop the failed yesterday? Well today the paras managed to secure the base! Did not expect that!

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Ground combat at Donggala (68,99)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 3437 troops, 58 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 131

Defending force 1596 troops, 15 guns, 3 vehicles, Assault Value = 8

Allied adjusted assault: 58

Japanese adjusted defense: 7

Allied assault odds: 8 to 1 (fort level 3)

Allied forces CAPTURE Donggala !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), preparation(-), experience(-)
Attacker: shock(+), leaders(-), disruption(-)

Japanese ground losses:
283 casualties reported
Squads: 2 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 24 destroyed, 7 disabled
Engineers: 36 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 5 (2 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (3 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
13 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
11th Airborne Div /1

Defending units:
4th Naval Construction Battalion
41st JNAF AF Unit


As soon as the airfield is repaired I´m going to fly in some CAP and land some BFs. Good news!

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Elsewhere
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Not much happening. Moving stuff around and loading the next attack wave. More attacks ordered tomorrow in the Marianas. Fingers crossed we keep doing good there!

There has been a tremendous amount of activity in Eriks AAR today. That probably means something big is up. Double checked search arcs and rerouted some TFs that were a bit exposed. I´m quite worried right now to be honest. KB could be in a position to strike my TFs going back from the Marianas judging by the SIGINT earlier. I sent everything in under CV CAP so if he does come he will find a 700 plane CAP up (hopefully! )

The latest sweeps over Lomblen is really worrisome. I don´t like it one bit. If anyone has any ideas worth trying I would love to hear them!

No screen today as there isn´t much interesting to show.

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/29/2013 8:45:28 PM   
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Quick question!

If a unit is converted to Kamis. Do they intel show them as bombers or is it dependent on the actual airframe? So a Fighter squadron converted to Kamis will still read as fighters when I hover the mouse over the base?



Don't strictly know the answer, but as it shows plane type not unit type, I doubt that would affect it.

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 5:25:35 AM   
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Status: offline 		I kind of assumed it wouldn´t but wanted to make sure! Will make it really hard to judge current air strength in an area. 500 Fighters doesn´t necessarily mean that any more.

For the second day in a row there is no morning turn from Erik. And no explanation for the lack of it. I don´t mind the lack of a turn as stuff get in the way. But the lack of of communication is quite irritating. We live in an area of constant internet connection. It takes 15 seconds to send an email from the phone saying "sorry didn´t have time for the turn" or something like that.

Ah well.

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 6:54:12 AM   
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As this operation is starting to wind down I can finally sit down and asses it. All major combat ships have left the area and the troops are safely ashore. Deliberate attacks are ordered again tomorrow. I think this whole operation has been an absolutely stunning success. I went almost perfectly and did exactly what I wanted it to do.

Phase 1
Was the landing on Tinian. This was done with the sole purpose of drawing Japanese forces to the Marianas and away from Mindanao and Luzon. Tinian was quickly secured and I left 70.000 supply in place. Erik started to heavily reinforce all the islands in the chain with almost 200.000 men! Not only that but he also sent a large number of bombers to the suppress the airfield. Those bombers never actually closed the airfield until supply ran out but they could have tipped the balance in the two CV battles we had during the time.

Phase 2
Landing on Saipan. This was expected to be bloody but the embedded BBs did their job and soaked the hits. They all have between 5 and 20 in SYS damage. This was lighter than expected and as they were all scheduled to go the WC for refits it doesn´t change anything.

Phase 3
Landing on Guam. When things settled down and the situation stabilized we promptly landed on Guam. I embedded 6 BBs in a massive TF to avoid exposure the the CD guns and it worked perfectly.

Assessment
Some things I could have done better though.
- 1 Sent in the Supply and Tanker TFs too early. I had counted on the 6 SCTFs to shelter them but Erik managed to get MTBs and even Es in at Tinian unopposed. That cost me a fair amount of shipping. Mostly to collisions.
- ASW situation was critical at a point as Erik absolutely flooded the area with subs.

Allied losses
1 CVE (sub)
1 AKA (CD guns)
4 Tankers (collisions/naval gunfire)
2 PFs (naval gunfire)
1 SC (collision)
1 DE (Sub)
8 xAKs (Mostly subs)

For the price of the 3 biggest bases in the Marianas. Almost for free!

Japanese losses
120-150.000 men on Tinian, Saipan and Guam. (about 2500 AV in total) Another 80-100.000 trapped in a tough spot including 50.000 men on Pagan?
20-30 subs
2 DDs

Infact this is by a large margin the biggest Japanese defeat in terms of soldiers so far.

I think Erik made a couple of mistakes here. Of course this is easy for me to see as I knew exactly what I was planning to do and what was coming. First of all I think he waited for too long with reinforcements. All bases was almost empty in the first phase. Forts were too low. (level 6) and he had no big combat formations. Only the usual mix of BDE, RGTs and NavGuard units. These forces simply don´t cut it and they fold easily when confronted with divisions. This has been the tale of the whole allied advance with the exception of Burma.

Once Tinian was secured I don´t see the point of trying to reinforce the other bases. Short of parking the KB in the area there was no way for him to stop me coming back whenever I wanted. It gave me a good place to park AEs, refuel and most importantly add 200 P47s for local CAP and sweep capabilities. I think Erik would have been better off just leaving enough to force me to come in force. Now those 2500 AV will come back at 35EXP/35MRL and will require a good amount of time to get back in fighting shape.

New LOC
The most important aspect of this is that I now have a almost secure LOC from PH straight to Mindanao. It will take quite a while to set everything up but things will get from the WC a lot faster now than the WC-PH-Nom-Fin-Morotai-Mindanao route!

As can seen on this map. The difference is quite obvious!





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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 7:03:11 AM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 11:37:48 AM   
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One of the most quiet days in a long, long time. Only 16 AC losses during the whole turn. Both sides!

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DEI
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Strangely enough it looks like Erik is pulling out the big guns. No idea why. Perhaps he deemed Timor not worth the risk. He is probably right if thats the reasoning.

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PI archipelago
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BFs started landing on San Jose. Airfield goes to 3. 2/3rds of the 1st USMC reach Iloilo and will capture the base tomorrow. This will become a big fighter hub with a level 5 airfield already built. From here I can cover most landings as well as putting some real pressure on Manilla.

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Marianas
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More good news as Saipan is really starting to crumble and Guam goes a lot better than expected for the second time as well!

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Ground combat at Saipan (108,93)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 48052 troops, 1070 guns, 1053 vehicles, Assault Value = 1715

Defending force 28675 troops, 381 guns, 350 vehicles, Assault Value = 434

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 2

Allied adjusted assault: 2471

Japanese adjusted defense: 1295

Allied assault odds: 1 to 1 (fort level 2)

Allied Assault reduces fortifications to 2

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2585 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 153 disabled
Non Combat: 7 destroyed, 77 disabled
Engineers: 5 destroyed, 14 disabled
Guns lost 92 (9 destroyed, 83 disabled)
Vehicles lost 17 (1 destroyed, 16 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1398 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 121 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 1 destroyed, 36 disabled
Guns lost 47 (6 destroyed, 41 disabled)
Vehicles lost 26 (1 destroyed, 25 disabled)


At Guam the armor is really proving its worth. Notice the very low adjusted AV compared to the Japanese losses. Huzzah!!

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Ground combat at Guam (106,95)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 43958 troops, 855 guns, 1473 vehicles, Assault Value = 1739

Defending force 30737 troops, 475 guns, 253 vehicles, Assault Value = 722

Allied engineers reduce fortifications to 4

Allied adjusted assault: 746

Japanese adjusted defense: 1937 This was 4247 the last attack!!!

Allied assault odds: 1 to 2 (fort level 4)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+), experience(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
2852 casualties reported
Squads: 30 destroyed, 229 disabled
Non Combat: 6 destroyed, 70 disabled
Engineers: 9 destroyed, 32 disabled
Guns lost 93 (11 destroyed, 82 disabled)
Vehicles lost 59 (14 destroyed, 45 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
1598 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 181 disabled
Non Combat: 5 destroyed, 71 disabled
Engineers: 2 destroyed, 50 disabled
Guns lost 82 (1 destroyed, 81 disabled)
Vehicles lost 121 (14 destroyed, 107 disabled)



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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 11:52:29 AM   
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So with the Marianas campaign starting to wrap up I need to start figuring out what to do next. Luzon is of course still the main objective for now. But I don´t think I will need the Marianas forces to aid in that. I have about 7000 AV ready for Luzon with another 2000 on its way. With proximity to big allied airfields I don´t see any reasons to send more there right now.

So the question really is. Where to send the 5000 AV freed up in the Marianas? I will leave enough to start securing the other bases in a leisurely pace. So say 3500 AV ready to prep for something else. But what?

Okinawa? Formosa? China? Thailand? Malaya? Java? Bonins?

I think I have already made up my mind after studying the map for almost 3 hours. I would love to hear any opinions on the matter before making up my mind. I have a few more days before I can start prepping anyway. As I can see it there is only one logical place to go that will in the end bring Japan to its knees.

Don´t mean to be secretive but I would love to hear others viewpoint uncolored by my own thinking!

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 4:01:58 PM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 5:54:04 PM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 6:15:19 PM   
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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 6:39:10 PM   
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My question would be .. what does the Intel tell you about distribution of forces .. where is the IJ leaving a hole to cover the world? If the IJ is "cheating" a bit and stripping units from traditional starting bases it might be worth surprising the IJ .. for example if Formosa has been stripped of domestic guards units to man spots on the front lines it might be worth a hail mary to strike ...


While this is true I would avoid Formosa given what Mindanao and the DEI has cost the Allies to date. Formosa looks luscious in terms of size, location, and VPs. But in my AI experience it's a snake pit. Close to Chinese LBA, probably Forts 8-9 in the big harbors. Mountain movement which takes half of forever. Close to big HI western naval bases for raids using coastal movement. A long way from a yard when Manila is not held.

The Bonins make it a naval fight. The AFs are multiple, but usually not large. Get one and the others are neutered. He has to use fuel, he has to bring carriers. And once taken they're P-51 sweep bases for the rim of the HI.

I'd also consider Marcus (don't recall who owns it) and then a run at Sakhalin Island. I know he's deep in the Aleutians, but those bases, unless he evacuates Real Soon Now, will be un-suppliable if Jocke runs his air force properly. Sakhalin has big AFs and makes Hokkaido industry very bombable. The calendar isn't good right now to go, but March/April 1945 would be.

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 7:10:28 PM   
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Some good points coming up. I will add here though that my naval search reaches into the Bonins and Erik is absolutely packing the place. I lost track of all the units picked up via sigint moving there. Landing on those 30k atolls will require a gargantuan effort. One I will try to avoid. I learned about atolls the hard way. Doing a 30k one that probably have level 6-8 forts within LBA range from the HI... Not something I would want to try.

The target I´m considering is actually Formosa. For one simple reason: It gives me a level 9 AF within reach of all Japanese major cities. Within normalradius of B29s. As soon as I get that I can begun to night strat bomb him into oblivion. I looked all over the map and barring Korea Formosa is the only place on the map that offers this (except Shikuka). From what I have seen so far this can actually win the war. Something as simple as a level 9 AF. Formosa gives me 4(!) level 9 AFs. All within B29 range of the HI.

My reasoning here is that from what I have seen so far flying extended and normal is like comparing the moon and the sun. While I can hit the HI from Luzon it will mostly be on extended range taking a huge toll on the B29s making missions far less frequent and losses much higher. If I can get there in Q1 or Q2 -45...All the stockpiles won´t matter if there arn´t no factories to produce anything?

I also believe Erik will poor everything he has into Luzon and trying to make a stand there. He is a big fan of the "deathstar" and already have massed almost 200.000 troops in Manilla. This can potentially make him overdo it and leave Formosa too lightly held. And even if he did have "enough". Can he hold against 3-4000 AV in a clear hex? I don´t think so. Actually taking the place I´m quite confident I can do. Everything in clear hexes are allied yum yums! All I need is one base on Formosa and I can start hitting the heart of the empire!

Am I wrong here? I feel quite strongly this is the right move. That "gut feeling" is very strong. I just torched Soerabaja with 150k fires going in a single night raid with only 150 B29s. What can 300-500 do the HI in a couple of months?!

EDIT: Should also add here that Erik has given up the southern part of Luzon to make his deathstar. Its almost empty so I will quite possible be able to give some LBA cover to the landing.

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 7:25:56 PM   
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However, I am also considering advocating taking what the IJ give you. I had Formosa in my sights in two PBEM games . in both games it all ended before my final assault. Because of rapid advances the IJ stripped Formosa to add AV to China and Southeast Asia. In my first game AAR's my plan was to go Pueto Prinscia into Formosa .. in my second game I planned to jump from Hanoi to Formosa ... Securing Davao and Pueto Prinscia might be a good thing

I personally see Formosa as an opportunity in mid '44 where that position isolates the IJ while starting to turn the Home Islands into ash ... in '45 I can imagine the interlocking bases with multiple ports .. no atolls/shock attacks might be a consideration ...Strategic bombing is very effective in this game for adding on VP's ..

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/30/2013 10:37:55 PM   
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If you want to do Formosa go for it. I'll try to wait until late to say I told you so.

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RE: Tavoy liberated! - 8/31/2013 5:58:06 AM   
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I know. But I´m not sure its possible for LBA to penetrate a big CAP. I have seen both me and Erik try. I couldn´t do it with 500 TB/DB against a 50 plane CAP (from a level 9 AF). Erik sent almost a thousand bombers and didn´t penetrate. And that was just a small 300 plane CAP. I´m assuming here Kamis are treated as LBA and don´t have their own routine?

By Q1 -45 I should have another 5 CVs and all previously damaged CVL/CVEs back in the game. I´m not saying it will work. But I don´t think its impossible. Under the official patch it would be. But I don´t think it will be under the BETA.

I´m also not convinced I can bring Japan to its knees flying from extended range at night in the BETA. It might be doable. But within normal range I know it is. Sometimes you gotta take a change right?

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