Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Spidery

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Question on rivercrossings.

My understanding is no shock attack if you have 1/3rd of the enemy AV in the hex that has crossed through that hexside and is still in the hex.

However, I have not had shock attacks when I expected them and had them when I did not so I may be misunderstanding some aspect of the rule.

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

Hans, that was how I understood it too.

But no shock attack was triggered despite 4300 AV crossing and only 300ish AV already in the hex.

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I sent in a Fletcher TFs with some DMS embedded to try and avoid the mines. I did avoid the mines but Erik had some CD guns at Saigon that ripped my poor DMS to shreds. Same problem as I have at Bataan. Mines and CD guns in combination. I don´t know how to counter this. Any ideas?

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ORIGINAL: poodlebrain

I think the rule makes perfect sense. Think of an actual river crossing. The attacker sends units across to seize a bridgehead. Those units make an assault crossing, and attempt to secure the bridgehead. If the bridgehead is sufficiently large the follow-up forces can cross unopposed. The one necessity is that the follow-up forces cross the river at the same location as the assault units.

In game terms you can't carve out bridgehead territory within the crossing hex. So using attacker to defender strength ratio provides a reasonable approximation of the attacker's ability to control the required territory. And using hexsides provides a further limitation on the territory considered secured by the assault force into which the follow-up forces can land unopposed.

The rules add a sense of realism to river crossings as they make it a race to reinforce once a bridgehead is achieved. The attacker must take advantage of the bridgehead by reinforcing and breaking out (gaining control of the entire hex) before the defender reduces the bridgehead. The defender can reduce the bridgehead either by inflicting combat losses, in hopes of eliminating the bridgehead, or simply squeezing the amount of territory deemed secured by changing the ratio of attacker to defender strength.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

I think this was the last patch change:

"50. Gameplay Change: Change to river assault – reversion to original rule - when crossing a river into a hex all units entering should shock attack in the turn they cross, unless 1/3 of the unmodified AV of the defenders has already crossed from that hex side in a previous turn."

So, it's hexside, not hex that controls. One could read it that "defenders" is the enemy AV which controls, not the attacker's. Which makes logical sense, but is very difficult to impossible to manage on the attacker's side of the interface.

And it's just the crossing units doing the shock, not the whole resulting stack in the target hex.

I don't know if the hexside data is perishable. IOW, if you cross a month from now with a second chunk does the game record the previous crossing forever?

A strange rule and hard to manage with the interface as it is. Good memory or good notes I guess.

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ORIGINAL: Roger Neilson 3
I recently found that YMS do a good job but are the equivalent of Kamikazes. They swept a large number of mines but then were vaporised by battery fire. On the other hand they were only 1 point per ship if one is being heartless.....

Roger

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ORIGINAL: Crackaces

Thus with the Kamikaze situation and the IJ's over abundance of airframes at this point in the game .. I might suggest for discussion an overland seizure of very concentrated VP's might be a good strategy. Your blitzkrieg in Southeast Asia opens a portal into Southern China. Hong Kong is very doable using forces you have in Southeast Asia. I might suggest the real crux of focusing on the overland route toward enough VP's to win is reducing the risk of sea based platforms to attack (the denominator in this equation) while stressing the IJ's LCU's and more importantly supply. It seems to me at this point in the game - the IJ has a choice between using supplies in the home islands and supplying the forces defending the outer fronts. The latter requires secure sea lanes which the Allies can interdict.

Any thoughts?

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ORIGINAL: JocMeister

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ORIGINAL: Spidery

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Question on rivercrossings.

My understanding is no shock attack if you have 1/3rd of the enemy AV in the hex that has crossed through that hexside and is still in the hex.

However, I have not had shock attacks when I expected them and had them when I did not so I may be misunderstanding some aspect of the rule.

Ah, so its the own and enemy AV already in the hex that decides shock attack or not? And it has nothing to do with the actual AV that is crossing crossing?

At least in this case it would seem to be correct. We have about the same AV in the hex I´m crossing into.

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If you are right and supply is his achilles heel at this point I hope it will put a tremendous strain on his supply

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Ground combat at 64,60 (near Vinh)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 116528 troops, 2042 guns, 1610 vehicles, Assault Value = 4887

Defending force 11399 troops, 49 guns, 178 vehicles, Assault Value = 405

Allied adjusted assault: 3400

Japanese adjusted defense: 191

Allied assault odds: 17 to 1

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
3943 casualties reported
Squads: 221 destroyed , 32 disabled
Non Combat: 140 destroyed, 104 disabled
Engineers: 18 destroyed, 4 disabled
Guns lost 20 (16 destroyed, 4 disabled)
Vehicles lost 167 (143 destroyed, 24 disabled)
Units retreated 4
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
592 casualties reported
Squads: 10 destroyed, 151 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 17 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 70 disabled
Vehicles lost 7 (1 destroyed, 6 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
18th British Division
14th Indian Division
XXXIII Corps Engineer Battalion
26th Indian Division
50th Tank Brigade
255th Indian Tank Brigade
18th Cavalry Regiment
17th Motorised Division
IV Corps Engineer Battalion
41st Infantry Division
36th British Division
2nd British Division
6th Australian Division
254th Armoured Brigade
XV Corps Engineer Battalion
209th Combat Engineer Battalion
I Aus Corps Engineer Battalion
9th Australian Division
48th Light AA Regiment
III Indian Corps
30th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
Southeast Asia
2/11th Field Regiment
1st Indian Medium Regiment
85th Medium Regiment
XV Indian Corps
2/13th Field Regiment
2/9th Field Regiment
25th Indian Mountain Gun Regiment
14th Army
31st Indian Mountain Gun Regiment

Defending units:
13th Ind.Infantry Brigade
12th Tank Regiment
65th Brigade
27th Electric Engineer Regiment
176th JAAF AF Bn /3

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Morning Air attack on Cam Ranh Bay , at 64,72

Weather in hex: Severe storms

Raid detected at 35 NM, estimated altitude 35,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A7M2 Sam x 18
Ki-84r Frank x 19
Ki-100-I Tony x 16
Ki-102a Randy x 9
Ki-102b Randy x 27

Allied aircraft
F4U-1D Corsair x 111

Japanese aircraft losses
A7M2 Sam: 4 destroyed
Ki-84r Frank: 1 destroyed
Ki-100-I Tony: 2 destroyed
Ki-102a Randy: 1 destroyed
Ki-102b Randy: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4U-1D Corsair: 1 destroyed

Aircraft Attacking:
21 x F4U-1D Corsair sweeping at 32000 feet

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Defender: terrain(+), disruption(-), supply(-)
Attacker:

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Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 126086 troops, 2453 guns, 5293 vehicles, Assault Value = 5038

Defending force 122229 troops, 1430 guns, 1586 vehicles, Assault Value = 3291

Allied adjusted assault: 1635

Japanese adjusted defense: 18457

Allied assault odds: 1 to 11 (fort level 5)

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), leaders(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
6087 casualties reported
Squads: 170 destroyed, 168 disabled
Non Combat: 16 destroyed, 147 disabled
Engineers: 4 destroyed, 135 disabled
Guns lost 222 (23 destroyed, 199 disabled)
Vehicles lost 188 (43 destroyed, 145 disabled)

Allied ground losses:
5724 casualties reported
Squads: 42 destroyed, 263 disabled
Non Combat: 61 destroyed, 238 disabled
Engineers: 21 destroyed, 109 disabled
Guns lost 154 (18 destroyed, 136 disabled)
Vehicles lost 174 (27 destroyed, 147 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

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Defending units:
107th Division

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Ground combat at Kudat (69,86)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 9398 troops, 164 guns, 169 vehicles, Assault Value = 362

Defending force 3929 troops, 32 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 69

Allied adjusted assault: 162

Japanese adjusted defense: 37

Allied assault odds: 4 to 1 (fort level 1)

Allied forces CAPTURE Kudat !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+), forts(+), disruption(-), fatigue(-)
experience(-)
Attacker: 6600]fatigue(-)

Japanese ground losses:
782 casualties reported
Squads: 50 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 48 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 10 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (7 destroyed, 1 disabled)
Units retreated 2

Allied ground losses:
260 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 38 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Guns lost 5 (1 destroyed, 4 disabled)

Defeated Japanese Units Retreating!

Assaulting units:
3rd Motor Brigade
24th (Sep) Infantry Regiment
22nd Australian Brigade

Defending units:
63rd Infantry Brigade
172nd JAAF AF Bn

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Ground combat at Manila (79,77)

Allied Bombardment attack

Attacking force 6419 troops, 609 guns, 421 vehicles, Assault Value = 4393

Defending force 123806 troops, 1455 guns, 1550 vehicles, Assault Value = 3147

Japanese ground losses:
121 casualties reported
Squads: 4 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled

Allied ground losses:
5 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 21 (6 destroyed, 15 disabled)
Vehicles lost 3 (2 destroyed, 1 disabled)

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

How is he getting a (+) on Leaders at this point? Do you have PPs for an overhaul? They are not trivial on fortified assaults.

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ORIGINAL: PaxMondo

Michael explained sometime back that the combat modifiers are NOT aggregate. A minus could mean that only one unit failed a leadership check and that could have been an arty unit.

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Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 80 NM, estimated altitude 12,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 34 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 14
Ki-102a Randy x 8

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 214
F6F-5 Hellcat x 165
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5c Zero: 3 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed
F6F-5 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Japanese Ships
AK Yamabiko Maru, Bomb hits 3, on fire
AK Asakasan Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire
AK Yamagiri Maru
AK Yamakaze Maru, Bomb hits 1, on fire

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Cam Ranh Bay at 64,72

Weather in hex: Moderate rain

Raid detected at 63 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 27 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5c Zero x 3
Ki-102a Randy x 2

Allied aircraft
SB2C-3 Helldiver x 14
TBM-3 Avenger x 16

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SB2C-3 Helldiver: 1 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged
TBM-3 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
xAP Brazil Maru, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
AK Yamabiko Maru, Bomb hits 2, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
AK Yamakaze Maru, on fire

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AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Jan 18, 45
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TF 149 encounters mine field at Bataan (78,77) - Coastal Guns Fire Back!

29 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
YMS-288, Shell hits 2, on fire, heavy damage
YMS-395, Shell hits 6, heavy damage
YMS-394, Shell hits 3, on fire
YMS-393, Shell hits 3, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-387, Shell hits 4, heavy fires, heavy damage
YMS-84, Shell hits 7, on fire, heavy damage
YMS-220, Shell hits 2
YMS-216
YMS-128
YMS-127

57 mines cleared