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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/26/2012 7:49:19 PM   
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Bernhard Cornwell wrote the "Richard Sharpe" series, which was later filmed with Sean Bean as Sharpe. I enjoyed the books but have no idea if the films or series was any good. The series did not run here on the Prussian telly, methinks Rafe had his hand in it again.



I must have watched the whole series of Sharpe about half a dozen times so far. It's on British telly on a regular basis and people keep on watching it.



As well as Sharpe there is also the TV series Hornblower.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/26/2012 7:49:43 PM   
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The TV series Hornblower is excellent,shame it had such a short run.Sharpe has yet to be surpassed.The historical accuracy was well done despite you never seeing more than 200 fighting at once LOL.Just wait till you meet up with Obadiah Hawkswell!

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/26/2012 10:20:16 PM   
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So you all agree it is worth buying the blu ray or dvd of Sharpes tales?

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/26/2012 10:27:31 PM   
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I think it would be worthwhile you getting the DVD/blu ray ... since you like the books and can't get it on the telly.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/26/2012 11:20:10 PM   
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What I want to know is who Warspite knows that is in high enough position in Hollywood to be able to get his hands on the script for the remake of Waterloo.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/26/2012 11:33:27 PM   
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A very good and interesting question. The world wonders.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/27/2012 12:03:49 AM   
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Please see post 16 - and it was Mont St Jean. I did not use it in the original because it would not mean a lot to some people, whereas Waterloo - for obvious reasons - does.


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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/27/2012 8:11:30 AM   
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Joe, that's a really good point.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/27/2012 4:46:24 PM   
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I must have watched the whole series of Sharpe about half a dozen times so far. It's on British telly on a regular basis and people keep on watching it.




Sean Bean in a war picture. Surely his character gets killed at some point, right?

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/27/2012 4:59:33 PM   
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What I want to know is who Warspite knows that is in high enough position in Hollywood to be able to get his hands on the script for the remake of Waterloo.
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Good question ILS. As you may recall, if you followed the Australian Beauties thread, I got the chance to spend a lot of time with Salma Hayek during the competition - and after when we holidayed in Mautitius. Ms Hayek has already auditioned for the part of Mad Princess Lotte of Leipzig - with whom Rafe McCauley embarked upon a torrid love affair in the weeks leading up to Borodino. Salma gave me a preview of the screenplay and I helped her rehearse the love scenes - which was nice....

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/27/2012 10:12:33 PM   
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I read 2 or 3 of the books years ago. Not a bad series.
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I must have watched the whole series of Sharpe about half a dozen times so far. It's on British telly on a regular basis and people keep on watching it.




Sean Bean in a war picture. Surely his character gets killed at some point, right?



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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/27/2012 10:44:53 PM   
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And Warspite, did you do all this to keep us Matrix boys informed or where you attempting to top the feat of c@&k blocking Nate's girl a few months ago?


Warspite=modern day Sean Connery.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/28/2012 7:15:47 AM   
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And Warspite, did you do all this to keep us Matrix boys informed or where you attempting to top the feat of c@&k blocking Nate's girl a few months ago?


Warspite=modern day Sean Connery.
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ILS I was merely helping out a damsel in distress. Ms Hayek was having trouble with her lines and I offered to help. . Oh btw, that script was shown to me under a strict NDA so please keep this to yourself and don't tell anyone else.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/28/2012 8:15:43 AM   
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The movie is terrific! I last saw it not long ago.

I saw a documentary that gave the strategic view.

Napoleon returned. All the powers agreed that in-spite of their own differences they would team up to fight Napoleon.

Trains were not yet invented so all the countries sent troops by foot.

Napoleon said to his generals that the troops would take a long time to arrive so the French should defeat them one at a time before they had the chance to team up.

Napoleon attacked at a point where the British and Prussian troops joined knowing full well that both would withdraw back along their supply lines thereby splitting the 2 armies.

The attack on the Prussians went as planned and now for the British.

Except that the Prussians did not retreat in disorder! They reformed and advanced again!

A French general with superior numbers failed to dislodge the British holding a crossroads and the Prussians reached Waterloo just in the nick of time!

When the Prussians reached the battlefield they played only a small part in the day's fighting but a huge part on Napoleon's mind.

So, Napoleon's plan was sound but he stuffed up when he didn’t follow up to crush the Prussians.
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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/28/2012 9:10:54 AM   
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Joe are you really sure??

W1 gave us information that it really was Rafe who saved Europe. Fritz the Prussian was a bit too busy with his "Canteen" to aid anybody.

Getting a bit confused


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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/28/2012 10:15:42 AM   
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Joe your version sounds way to far fetched, I think Warspites historical account is far more plausible.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/28/2012 11:04:03 PM   
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british exil and wodin I thank-you for your sound reasoning and obvious intellect. These flippin revisionist historians like Joe 98 really bug me out

Listen Mr "I know it all" from Wollondilly, Sydney, let me tell you this pal! Are you listening? Good.

- FACT. Europe was saved from the scourge of Napoleon Bonaparte by one man (and his peasant sidekick). That man was Rafe McCauley (and his sidekick was Chris Rockivich/Eddie Murphyanov).
- Both the Duke of Wellington and Field Marshal Blucher were bystanders to the main event. They simply did not have a clue what was going on. The brave stand at Quatre Bras and the repulsing of Marshal Ney by the Anglo-Dutch? This action was led, in person, by the dashing Rafe McCauley. The Prussian re-grouping after the thrashing at Ligny? This was entirely the work of young, brave McCauley.
- And before you decide to spread any more verminous, revisionist, filth aound let me tell you something else that not many people know about. After Waterloo, McCauley personally captured a German enigma machine - about 100+ years before it was even invented, he was THAT good - AND just before his death in 1870, McCauley invented the World Wide Web. So there. Ya boo sucks to you.





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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/29/2012 7:38:18 AM   
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british exil and wodin I thank-you for your sound reasoning and obvious intellect. These flippin revisionist historians like Joe 98 really bug me out

Listen Mr "I know it all" from Wollondilly, Sydney, let me tell you this pal! Are you listening? Good.

- FACT. Europe was saved from the scourge of Napoleon Bonaparte by one man (and his peasant sidekick). That man was Rafe McCauley (and his sidekick was Chris Rockivich/Eddie Murphyanov).
- Both the Duke of Wellington and Field Marshal Blucher were bystanders to the main event. They simply did not have a clue what was going on. The brave stand at Quatre Bras and the repulsing of Marshal Ney by the Anglo-Dutch? This action was led, in person, by the dashing Rafe McCauley. The Prussian re-grouping after the thrashing at Ligny? This was entirely the work of young, brave McCauley.
- And before you decide to spread any more verminous, revisionist, filth aound let me tell you something else that not many people know about. After Waterloo, McCauley personally captured a German enigma machine - about 100+ years before it was even invented, he was THAT good - AND just before his death in 1870, McCauley invented the World Wide Web. So there. Ya boo sucks to you.





You could simply have written that, according to Hollywood, every important achievement and event through history happened because of an American.

But I do agree that your way is more fun to read.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/29/2012 7:47:56 AM   
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british exil and wodin I thank-you for your sound reasoning and obvious intellect. These flippin revisionist historians like Joe 98 really bug me out
Listen Mr "I know it all" from Wollondilly, Sydney, let me tell you this pal! Are you listening? Good.
- FACT. Europe was saved from the scourge of Napoleon Bonaparte by one man (and his peasant sidekick). That man was Rafe McCauley (and his sidekick was Chris Rockivich/Eddie Murphyanov).

- Both the Duke of Wellington and Field Marshal Blucher were bystanders to the main event. They simply did not have a clue what was going on. The brave stand at Quatre Bras and the repulsing of Marshal Ney by the Anglo-Dutch? This action was led, in person, by the dashing Rafe McCauley. The Prussian re-grouping after the thrashing at Ligny? This was entirely the work of young, brave McCauley.
- And before you decide to spread any more verminous, revisionist, filth aound let me tell you something else that not many people know about. After Waterloo, McCauley
personally captured a German enigma machine - about 100+ years before it was even invented, he was THAT good - AND just before his death in 1870, McCauley invented the World Wide Web. So there. Ya boo sucks to you.


You could simply have written that, according to Hollywood, every important achievement and event through history happened because of an American.


But I do agree that your way is more fun to read.
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Glad you liked it but just to be clear, I'm certainly not on some anti-American rant. Just poking a little fun at the worst of Hollywood - and they don't get much worse than TFTSNBN and U-571

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/29/2012 9:19:27 PM   
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If you like both Sharpe and the old Waterloo film,may i reccomend you read Simon Scarrow's Revolution series.
The Revolution Series centres around the lives of Napoleon Bonaparte and Arthur Wellesley, later the Duke of Wellington. The first book in the quartet starts in 1769, and follows the two young men through their youth and onto their military careers.

Also you just HAVE to read his Eagle series with a Roman version of "Sharpe",Centurion Lucius Cornelius Macro and his sidekick, Optio Quintus Licinius Cato.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/30/2012 12:43:51 AM   
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why can't TFTSNBN be named?

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/30/2012 5:21:18 AM   
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why can't TFTSNBN be named?
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Reason TFTSNBN can't be name is because if you name it, it becomes TFTSBN - a complete different film. As everybody know TFTSNBN was steaming pile of horse manure but TFTSBN was actually nice film. TFTSBN is my favourite film because it is my favourite film - which film do you like? I watch all time on favourite film I like TFTSBN it is my friend.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 6/30/2012 7:32:53 AM   
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The movie is terrific! I last saw it not long ago.

I saw a documentary that gave the strategic view.

Napoleon returned. All the powers agreed that in-spite of their own differences they would team up to fight Napoleon.

Trains were not yet invented so all the countries sent troops by foot.

Napoleon said to his generals that the troops would take a long time to arrive so the French should defeat them one at a time before they had the chance to team up.

Napoleon attacked at a point where the British and Prussian troops joined knowing full well that both would withdraw back along their supply lines thereby splitting the 2 armies.

The attack on the Prussians went as planned and now for the British.

Except that the Prussians did not retreat in disorder! They reformed and advanced again!

A French general with superior numbers failed to dislodge the British holding a crossroads and the Prussians reached Waterloo just in the nick of time!

When the Prussians reached the battlefield they played only a small part in the day's fighting but a huge part on Napoleon's mind.

So, Napoleon's plan was sound but he stuffed up when he didn’t follow up to crush the Prussians.

Warspite1

To be fair, I think Napoleon "stuffed up" from the outset. His choice of generals - or more accurately - the posts he gave to each were suspect i.e. he did not have the right men in the right positions. Sure, Marshal Ney made dodgy decision after dodgy decision, but who put him in that position in the first place?

Napoleon did order the pursuit of the Prussians - he had a third of his army set off for this purpose. The problem was, he did not order the pursuit quickly enough and it was not carried through with sufficient vigour to stop Blucher coming to the aid of Wellington.

The action at Quatre Bras was just as - if not more important - than that at Ligny. The failure of Ney allowed Wellington to retreat at his leisure and choose the ground he wanted for defence in the decisive battle that was to follow. Had Ney won with overwhelming force at Quatre Bras then Waterloo would never have been fought...

Finally - and the details are a little hazy now, it was Napoleon who gave one of his corps commanders (d'erlon or Reille) orders to assist - orders that he subsequently countermanded - thus that corps spent the day neither helping Napoleon defeat the Prussians at Ligny NOR helping Ney at Quatre Bras, but instead were employed marching between the two battles.....

Napoleon made a total hash of Waterloo and was completely out-generalled by The Duke of Wellington.

Oh and just one thing about the Prussians winning the battle. No they didn't, but they did of course assist. Wellington stood at Waterloo on the basis that the Prussians would send reinforcements. It wasn't the case that he got "lucky" that they arrived. As it was, those Prussian reinforcements arrived much later than expected. Remember too that Wellington had a far from homogenous army - Dutch/Belgians - Germans and British, and but a small cavalry arm. No general is perfect and all make mistakes, but Wellington's tactics were spot on given the assets at his disposal.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 7/1/2012 9:01:22 AM   
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The movie is terrific! I last saw it not long ago.

I saw a documentary that gave the strategic view.

Napoleon returned. All the powers agreed that in-spite of their own differences they would team up to fight Napoleon.

Trains were not yet invented so all the countries sent troops by foot.

Napoleon said to his generals that the troops would take a long time to arrive so the French should defeat them one at a time before they had the chance to team up.

Napoleon attacked at a point where the British and Prussian troops joined knowing full well that both would withdraw back along their supply lines thereby splitting the 2 armies.

The attack on the Prussians went as planned and now for the British.

Except that the Prussians did not retreat in disorder! They reformed and advanced again!

A French general with superior numbers failed to dislodge the British holding a crossroads and the Prussians reached Waterloo just in the nick of time!

When the Prussians reached the battlefield they played only a small part in the day's fighting but a huge part on Napoleon's mind.

So, Napoleon's plan was sound but he stuffed up when he didn’t follow up to crush the Prussians.

Warspite1

To be fair, I think Napoleon "stuffed up" from the outset. His choice of generals - or more accurately - the posts he gave to each were suspect i.e. he did not have the right men in the right positions. Sure, Marshal Ney made dodgy decision after dodgy decision, but who put him in that position in the first place?

Napoleon did order the pursuit of the Prussians - he had a third of his army set off for this purpose. The problem was, he did not order the pursuit quickly enough and it was not carried through with sufficient vigour to stop Blucher coming to the aid of Wellington.

The action at Quatre Bras was just as - if not more important - than that at Ligny. The failure of Ney allowed Wellington to retreat at his leisure and choose the ground he wanted for defence in the decisive battle that was to follow. Had Ney won with overwhelming force at Quatre Bras then Waterloo would never have been fought...

Finally - and the details are a little hazy now, it was Napoleon who gave one of his corps commanders (d'erlon or Reille) orders to assist - orders that he subsequently countermanded - thus that corps spent the day neither helping Napoleon defeat the Prussians at Ligny NOR helping Ney at Quatre Bras, but instead were employed marching between the two battles.....

Napoleon made a total hash of Waterloo and was completely out-generalled by The Duke of Wellington.

Oh and just one thing about the Prussians winning the battle. No they didn't, but they did of course assist. Wellington stood at Waterloo on the basis that the Prussians would send reinforcements. It wasn't the case that he got "lucky" that they arrived. As it was, those Prussian reinforcements arrived much later than expected. Remember too that Wellington had a far from homogenous army - Dutch/Belgians - Germans and British, and but a small cavalry arm. No general is perfect and all make mistakes, but Wellington's tactics were spot on given the assets at his disposal.
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Surprised there was no response to this - either in agreement or (more likely) to dis-agree. Maybe Napoleon is not the flavour of the month he once was?

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 7/1/2012 9:13:08 AM   
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Surprised there was no response to this - either in agreement or (more likely) to dis-agree. Maybe Napoleon is not the flavour of the month he once was?

I did not really have the energy to argue here since I believe this could be discussed forever and that is a long time. But that sounded like a dare and I dare not leave a dare so here goes.

Napoleon did not pick the generals he thought best for the job they were expected to do. He needed to pick generals he trusted to not stab him in the back. The ones he trusted less he had to keep close to him.

I also believe that regardless if Napoleon had won the campaign he would have lost the war. He would have been forced to turn his attention to the Russians and the Austrians and then the Prussians and England would have fielded new armies and the same time the French would suffer from attrition and the population would become war tired once again. And do not forget the blockade.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 7/1/2012 9:19:01 AM   
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Surprised there was no response to this - either in agreement or (more likely) to dis-agree. Maybe Napoleon is not the flavour of the month he once was?


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I did not really have the energy to argue here since I believe this could be discussed forever and that is a long time. But that sounded like a dare and I dare not leave a dare so here goes.




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Napoleon did not pick the generals he thought best for the job they were expected to do. He needed to pick generals he trusted to not stab him in the back. The ones he trusted less he had to keep close to him.


Either way, he picked them - and it cost him. Wellington was not allowed all of his first choices for a variety of reasons (he did not want Uxbridge if you recall because the cavalry man had an affair or suchlike with a member of the Duke's family) but the point is - the Duke made best use of what he had.

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RE: Waterloo BBC2 - 7/1/2012 9:22:57 AM   
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Either way, he picked them - and it cost him. Wellington was not allowed all of his first choices for a variety of reasons (he did not want Uxbridge if you recall because the cavalry man had an affair or suchlike with a member of the Duke's family) but the point is - the Duke made best use of what he had.

Indeed.

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