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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 4:02:04 AM   
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If I read everything right, he is about to take all of Luzon, he is taking islands to the North of Luzon and you are worried about what to do with your CVs around Luganville?


I think John has correctly identified that, in the big picture, this is a sideshow. Still, it's worth considering in order to ravage an underdefended supply line or vulnerable CVE or two. Any CVE sunk is a nice 'bank' of VPs that forestall Allied autovictory another day or so.


BINGO!

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 4:05:34 AM   
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If I read everything right, he is about to take all of Luzon, he is taking islands to the North of Luzon and you are worried about what to do with your CVs around Luganville?


Bill: Let us get one thing straight. I will not fight what is unfightable. Did you SEE how many planes were on CAP over that fearsome hex?

I prefer to 'spend my gold' (in the form of the my CVs and their pilots) on something that might aid the cause. By cause I squarely mean staving off auto-victory or something that can gain VPs.

Does that mean I capitulate January 1, 1945 instead of May 1, 1945? Doesn't matter. Won't play that game. Let the Kamis try to accomplish something in an utterly hopeless manner...


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July 1944 - 4/25/2017 4:54:33 AM   
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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 5:26:16 AM   
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If I read everything right, he is about to take all of Luzon, he is taking islands to the North of Luzon and you are worried about what to do with your CVs around Luganville?


I think John has correctly identified that, in the big picture, this is a sideshow. Still, it's worth considering in order to ravage an underdefended supply line or vulnerable CVE or two. Any CVE sunk is a nice 'bank' of VPs that forestall Allied autovictory another day or so.


BINGO!


Exactly. In this case, you take what he leaves. He has left a long poorly protected LOC. I'm sure Dan understands that and has made that compromise. but the game is about VPs, and if you take about 500 VPs here in So Pac that REALLY helps when you lose 1,000 airframes in a turn later!

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 1:03:40 PM   
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Looks like a good time to turn PIRATE and go raiding. Dont stay in one spot too long without good reason. Find his supply lines and then YO HO HO.
Then to spice it up, every now and then fake like you are coming to do battle then go back to raiding.

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 1:12:30 PM   
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Status: offline 		Biggest concern--as always--is fuel. Have AOs spread around but not a bunch of fuel left in any one spot. Am working on that presently.

TK Convoy 5 will pass Samah this turn. I will need three good days of running to get by his CVs. Other then CAP they did fly a single sortie yesterday. He is flinging out small STF but--so far--they have been ineffective. If he stays to his tactics then I can get this convoy thru and life will be OK for a good amount of time in the Home Isles. Getting this Convoy thru also means I can spend some time loading up those AOs to get out to enable some serious raiding...


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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 1:14:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		Decided with the new turn to take a compromise course with my Raiders and go due south between Suva and Noumea. Spotted two TFs down there and they simply cannot get away in one turn. Will take a crack at them and then head back to Tulagi to refuel.

Hoping to catch any cripples trying to get to port, I split off 2 CA and 2 DD to sweep into Efate. Maybe we can bag something more there.


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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 1:34:45 PM   
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Here is hoping you bag something on day 2.

Soon, the Allies will figure out you aren't messing with the Deathstar and he will start sweeping and port and airfield bombing with them. In my case the Allies got very bold, very bold indeed.

For example Tiemanj used carrier sweeps prior to 4E raids. Ugly, as the carrier sweeps get the coordination pretty regularly.

You can't fight the deathstar head on, but you can bleed it and bleed it you must.

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 1:39:43 PM   
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Can you show a screenshot of the 'front screen' with victory points and the like?

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 2:08:16 PM   
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Very nicely done!

Here is hoping you bag something on day 2.

Soon, the Allies will figure out you aren't messing with the Deathstar and he will start sweeping and port and airfield bombing with them. In my case the Allies got very bold, very bold indeed.

For example Tiemanj used carrier sweeps prior to 4E raids. Ugly, as the carrier sweeps get the coordination pretty regularly.

You can't fight the deathstar head on, but you can bleed it and bleed it you must.


There are now upwards of 700 Fighters in Formosa. When those sweeps come they will be over my AF (lessoning pilot losses) and they'll be costly for the Allies. Bleed him--YES!

Knowing that shore bombardments are possible I have run in mines to each of the AF--Ports on the Isle. They range from 100-500 or so mines. Have some CD there as well.


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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 2:08:50 PM   
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John,

Can you show a screenshot of the 'front screen' with victory points and the like?


Am getting ready to run the morning turn. Will Post, as requested, at that point.


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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 3:06:39 PM   
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Status: offline 		How are your pilot pools? Are you putting skilled pilots up or are they mostly gone and you're using recruits?

Also, would love to see how many total engines you've used so far in the game.

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 5:31:15 PM   
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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 9:58:11 PM   
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How are your pilot pools? Are you putting skilled pilots up or are they mostly gone and you're using recruits?

Also, would love to see how many total engines you've used so far in the game.

My army pool is FANTASTIC. The IJN pool is horrific.

Michael and I found out the reason for this. The Reluctant Admiral Mod is premised on Japan starting with a less experienced group of starting pilots due to Yamamoto expanding the Kaigun and pulling trainers out to help with the expanded needs. In a truly stupid move, we pulled pilots and then FORGOT to expand the pools for 1943-44-45. The Mod is running on Scenario 1 numbers and that has been crushing...

Problem fixed with all the Mods now.


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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 9:59:04 PM   
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Even reading right now would make no difference at all. To quote Newt: "It won't make any difference."


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July 1944 - 4/25/2017 10:02:44 PM   
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Pretty good couple of furballs today and the results go in Japan's favor:





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RE: July 1944 - 4/25/2017 10:05:20 PM   
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RE: July 1944 - 4/25/2017 10:09:32 PM   
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RE: July 1944 - 4/25/2017 10:23:05 PM   
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Status: offline 		You still have a 2,000 VP lead going into the latter half of 1944. Not bad, John.

To get 2:1 and autovictory in 1945, he'll have to drum up at least 62,000 VPs in the next 18 months with no correlating VP losses of his own to offset. So by nibbling on some unescorted CVEs and getting-what-500 VPs for ships sunk, you force him to credit his ledger with over 1,000. With no corresponding losses.

While you've maintained a lead to this point, I think the next 18 months will be difficult on your psyche. I don't know if he can get *that many* VPs by strategic bombing Japan into the stone age, but you can bet that he will be trying to do just that. You'll probably see a reversal in 'bases held' VPs as he takes some high VP bases closer and closer to the Home Islands too.

The other VP bonus for him is in immobilizing and killing your LCUs. As your defensive perimeter shrinks and units are cut off from the home islands, he will be bagging more and more of these too. Many of your LCUs have escaped thus far-he's pushed them back and you've managed to extricate large cadres that would have otherwise been cut off and destroyed in toto. I think he'll be able to maneuver more of your troops into pockets and systematically liquidate them moving forward-if he takes the time to do this effectively.

This reminds me of the 'boxer' versus the 'brawler'. As the boxer, you've got to move around, jab, be nimble and not get pinned down. That haymaker (with "1.0x10^6" tattooed across the knuckles) will gut your KB and cripple your ability to resist. You've got to keep dancing and outlast him. He's behind in the count-badly-so he'll be swinging for your head and a TKO. Do you have the patience to win out by outlasting him and denying him the easy victory he seeks? All the while sticking in strategic body blows when his guard is off?

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RE: July 1944 - 4/25/2017 10:24:43 PM   
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Pretty good couple of furballs today and the results go in Japan's favor:


Nice to see 20 4EBs (read: 40 victory points banked) downed. Libs will work just as well as B-29s.

What happened to the ship chase south of the Solomons?

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RE: July 1944 - 4/25/2017 10:26:02 PM   
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Formosa--Luzon

Starting two days ago Dan began his normal landing technique of dropping a single APD worth of troops at a base to see if he wants to truly land there. One can see he has landed at several locations. Orchid Isle is the most interesting since it is just off Formosa. Sent in MTBs last turn and sank an AP. Have three DDs that have snuck into the area and I hope they provide a nasty surprise tomorrow.

Luzon continues to be taken. I have airlifted a piece of every major unit to Formosa. Figure 10-14 days before it is gone.

All the ship clutter around Formosa is purposeful. I am trying to force him to attack these inconsequential ships for a chance to rip on his CV Air. Worked today when a strike of 63 Hellkittens and 28 TB to Hengchun, Formosa. They were met with the low-alt CAP of 52 Fighters. The CAP did real well chewing up the F6F for a little bit and then they burst right into the bombers. Destroyed most of the attack. One can see the results in the air losses I Posted above.

Another benefit to the clutter is hiding the REAL convoys:
1. Iriomote only had two Engineers based on it when the Allies moved north. The clutter managed to hide a TF carrying a full Brigade and two Artillery units. They mostly unloaded this turn. Several of his APD Tfs tried to come over for a look but I had four small TFs of 3 MTBs each that I ordered one hex SW and then back to force a fight AWAY from my unloading. It worked quite well. The base is now defended and its Forts are 2+.
2. Convoy TK-5 passes eastern Hainan and is making for the China Coast. Next turn will place it close to Hong Kong where its LRCAP will start. We have a nail-biting two day trek up the coast and past Formosa. Notice the location of Dan's Fleet. Hugging the coast SHOULD work to get by. Need that 225,000 Fuel and Oil!
3. Have two Convoys bringing in 55,000 supply.







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RE: July 1944 - 4/25/2017 10:40:18 PM   
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Status: offline 		Great day in the air...and that was exactly what I meant when I said bleed the Deathstar. The DS has a sneaky way of replenishing their planes from CVEs within range so it always seems like a never ending amount but the thing is to be always working on bleeding it day in and day out.

Night bombing it...I had poor luck with night bombing, but from Pax I understand you need high experience pilots not just high skill. It might make sense to try and form an elite squadron specifically for night torpedo runs on the deathstar.

I lost over 60,000 vp to strategic bombing, maybe it was 70,000. It was a lot. But John is in a lot better shape than I ever was.

Check the Manchuko garrison, and move troops to protect the Korean coastline and develop air bases there if you don't already have them. Your Manchuko garrison is real low...so be very careful there (thinking about unit withdraws perhaps).

Supply can flow from Pescadores to Formosa too.

MTB are great! I like checking the weather and moonlight too when using them.



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RE: July 1944 - 4/25/2017 10:49:34 PM   
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I have not detailed a rather entertaining set of actions around Borneo by my Decoy KB. Here we have Akagi, 2 Unryu, 3 CVL, BC Haruna, 1 CA, 2 CL, and 10 DDs. As detailed earlier, I brought the TF up to Tarakan to refuel. Cannot use the base for Tankers due to his surface TFs but this TF had plenty of power to make him think twice. The TF arrived and refueled everything from CA down to DDs. We then commenced Operation Runabout.

July 2nd
Fueling ends. B-29 Raid hits Singapore and damages the shipping in port. This action leads to the creation of the Operation.

July 3rd
The Fleet departs and moves to the NE corner of Borneo. No issues.

July 4th
DKB moves along the coast about 3-5 hexes away and a STF of CL Ishikari and 4 DDs is detached to hit shipping at Miri. The STF is covered by 80+ Sams from the CVs.

The STF runs into three Allied STFs of 6 DD, CL Ceylon and 3 DD, and 5 DDs. Spirited actions ensue where DD Bennett is sunk by a TT, 5 American DDs are damaged, and CL Ceylon gets roughed up. For this exchange the Japanese have 2 DDs moderately damaged and CL Ishikari gets dinged several times by American 5" guns. No losses. Not too bad. Time for the Main Event.

July 5th
The 1st STF is ordered to rejoin the DKB while a 2nd STf is created under the leadership of veteran BC Haruna, CA Mikuma and 4 DDs. The CV continue on towards Singapore with Fighters now providing CAP from Kuching.

These Japanese veterans fight past 5 American DDs (3 get pounded), CL Ceylon and 3 DDs (Ceylon hit several times and 2 DD pounded), and then the foxes enter the Hen House. A TF of 9 LST and an LCI sit waiting for slaughter. They ARE. All are sunk with a large number of vehicles (204 of them) destroyed. Sinking a loaded convoy is always pleasant. YUMMY.

The STF suffer just a single DD crippled that is later sunk by an American SS.

BB Yamato comes out of repair at Singers and is sent to Batavia with a DD and 2 PC for the ARs present there to fix her up.

July 6th
While heading into Singapore an American SS fires FOUR TTs at Flagship IJN AKagi. Nimble not a word associated with venerable Akagi but this day she is up to the task as the Torps miss. How about that??!!

All ships at Singers and the CVs add their Sams as more CAP over the Port. TRY hitting it now! Am confident enough to send three DDs into repair. They only need 2-4 days for repair and will take the risk.

A DD, 9 LST and LCI sunk with damaged inflisted upon a CL and 9 American DDs in exchange for single Japanese DD. Not too bad a result.





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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 10:55:14 PM   
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Even reading right now would make no difference at all. To quote Newt: "It won't make any difference."




I asked this the the OTHER forum and no one has answered:

Who was it that was praised as a great military commander and he responded "No Iam not, for I have never had command of a Army in defeat".

Alexander Suvorov ???


How you end it will make a difference. This is not a equal match to the end, as the real war was itself.

The test of command is when things are going against you. Your enemy is great and powerful, fight him as he deserves to be fought.



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RE: July 1944 - 4/25/2017 11:00:28 PM   
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Pretty good couple of furballs today and the results go in Japan's favor:


Nice to see 20 4EBs (read: 40 victory points banked) downed. Libs will work just as well as B-29s.

What happened to the ship chase south of the Solomons?



Drew a big WHIFF on enemy shipping. My STF did not find anything (there was a sinking sound at the start of the turn...did we get HMS Hermes???) and the carriers did not catch sight of any shipping. Order the CTF to return to Tulagi for re-provisioning. The STF will join back up with the carriers to thicken their screen.

Have a TF of 2 CA and 5 more DDs just passing Truk heading for Truk.



I am strongly thinking of bringing the ENTIRE Fleet down and head for the DEI by way of Horn Isle. Need fuel.

There is little doubt that I, probably, will not be able to shoot another large TK TF through the Formosa Area. If I cannot then I am now planning on bringing the Fleet together to serve as a massed escort and CAP Trap to fight the TKs out through Dan's soft underbelly. THIS TK TF would be IMMENSE. I would work to bring 400-500,000 Fuel/Oil back to Japan.

It is gutsy but might be worth the risk. Will know in about a month as whether or not this will be the plan.






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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 11:21:29 PM   
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fight him as he deserves to be fought.


I'd counter with another quote. From Unforgiven:

Little Bill Daggett: I don't deserve this... to die like this. I was building a house.

Will Munny: Deserve's got nothin' to do with it.

[aims gun]

Little Bill Daggett: I'll see you in hell, William Munny.

Will Munny: Yeah.

[fires]

"Deserves" got nothing to do with it. Fight to win and deny victory (real or imagined) to your enemy.

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/25/2017 11:41:53 PM   
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"Deserves" got nothing to do with it. Fight to win and deny victory (real or imagined) to your enemy.



Yes... deserves to be fought, not surrendered to.


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I'd counter with another quote. From Unforgiven:


A movie

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/26/2017 12:21:21 AM   
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"Deserves" got nothing to do with it. Fight to win and deny victory (real or imagined) to your enemy.



Yes... deserves to be fought, not surrendered to.


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I'd counter with another quote. From Unforgiven:


A movie


Yeah. A movie.

This quote's even better. It's (originally) from a book, so that must make it better...:

"To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee
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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/26/2017 12:28:58 AM   
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Yeah. A movie.

This quote's even better. It's (originally) from a book, so that must make it better...:

"To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee
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You can't use a movie in a historical quote discussion. That's like bringing up Tie fighters when trying to decide which Jap fighters to R and D.

And the scene made no sense because that sheriff did deserve to be shot.

And as many tropical diseases as I've had you should be my biggest fan.




"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..." - General John Sedgwick (1813-1864), last words


Or from the same book:
"Squeeze! Squeeze! Squeeze! all the morning long; I squeezed that sperm till I myself almost melted into it; I squeezed that sperm till a strange sort of insanity came over me,..."

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RE: Banzai!!! - 4/26/2017 1:23:45 AM   
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Yeah. A movie.

This quote's even better. It's (originally) from a book, so that must make it better...:

"To the last, I grapple with thee; From Hell's heart, I stab at thee; For hate's sake, I spit my last breath at thee
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You can't use a movie in a historical quote discussion. That's like bringing up Tie fighters when trying to decide which Jap fighters to R and D.

And the scene made no sense because that sheriff did deserve to be shot.

And as many tropical diseases as I've had you should be my biggest fan.




"They couldn't hit an elephant at this dist..." - General John Sedgwick (1813-1864), last words


Or from the same book:
"Squeeze! Squeeze! Squeeze! all the morning long; I squeezed that sperm till I myself almost melted into it; I squeezed that sperm till a strange sort of insanity came over me,..."


Well, you just quoted an excellent book quote and told me how much I couldn't use it in a historical discussion. Yeah. Because the stuff in books really is inadmissible for purposes of historical discussions.

You had me at 'tropical disease'. Really? Pictures or it didn't happen.

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