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RE: September 1944 - 7/13/2017 11:04:47 PM   
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Had three taken off my right hand she had to do a local on it so my hand was USELESS for most of the day.


Couldn't use your right hand for the entire day? Bummer. Did you try...oh, never mind...

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RE: September 1944 - 7/13/2017 11:14:22 PM   
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CHICKENBOY--You are disgusting.

ANYWAY...I am a lefty...so everything was A OK!


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RE: September 1944 - 7/13/2017 11:26:45 PM   
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Wayyyyyy TMI ......

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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 2:44:31 AM   
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Gotta set the record straight after all...


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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 3:36:40 AM   
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September 23, 1944
Soerabaja


Dan had a little idea that didn't work out too good.





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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 3:53:33 AM   
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...and here is the scope of the two B-24 strikes at Soerabaja:






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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 8:10:50 AM   
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who was there against?

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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 8:12:05 AM   
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The commander of that air division/force would have been ransacked for this, in reallife.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 11:23:27 AM   
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So, lets see if my math is correct:

131 Sams...so unless this is two supersized 81 plane Sentais', it is more likely 131/27 at least 5 Sentai of Sams. Plus one Sentai of Frank B and one Sentai of Georges.

So there are at least 7 top of the line Sentai protecting Java, and probably more up at Batavia. Plus what is at Singers.

omg.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 4:06:55 PM   
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Well, Dan knows that there won't be any more freebies vis a vis Java and (probably?) Sumatra now. Still, I agree with adarbrauner...another example of when the field commander IRL would have been cashiered or reassigned to Thule. Dan's game is replete with such examples.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 6:09:42 PM   
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What happened was the two Kido Butai Divisions in the DEI docked their the previous turn. Dan saw this yet still ordered the attack. I LIKED it!


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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 6:19:26 PM   
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Operation Aurora
September 24, 1944


At Agattu, Attu, Amchitka, and Shemya Japanese Task Forces arrive and unload a Regiment or Brigade at each location. Tomorrow they will load 3 ID, 3 CD units, an Air Flotilla, and several Base Forces. Though weakened, these bases will still be tough to take as they also are getting about 10,000 supply each.

Two STf move in to protect the transports. The Kongos and a CA TF will happily engage any DDs that survived the CV Strike at Adak.

Adak
Two full Divisions of the Kido Butai arrive WITHOUT DETECTION on the 24th. They launched a morning and afternoon strike (Morning: 170 Sam, 13 Judy, and 18 Jill Afternoon: 175 Sam, 39 Judy, 31 Jill). They, initially, deal with 72 P-40s on CAP. A large number of P-40s fall and five Dds are struck. DD Trathen is sunk by 2 800 Kg Bombs. I LOVE those Y4 Judy!

All of the DDs disband into port.

Tomorrow
From the two CV TFs, a Bombardment TF of 3 CA and 4 DDs arrow in.

The Kongos get similar orders.

The CVs move to a protective position near Attu, Shemya, Agattu, and Amchitka. Fighters set to CAP and LRCAP.


We really only need one more day of uninterrupted operations for all the troops to be lifted off. If we can do that, I shall consider the fuel expenditure worthwhile in keeping these bases tough AND bringing back over 50,000 veteran troops for Home Isles defense. Any sunken ships is a pleasant bonus...





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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 6:23:05 PM   
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What happened was the two Kido Butai Divisions in the DEI docked their the previous turn. Dan saw this yet still ordered the attack. I LIKED it!



What timing. Was there a 50% reduction in air cap because fleet carriers where in a base hex, or did they fly full strength because it was a ground bombing run?

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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 6:31:41 PM   
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Operation Aurora
September 24, 1944


At Agattu, Attu, Amchitka, and Shemya Japanese Task Forces arrive and unload a Regiment or Brigade at each location. Tomorrow they will load 3 ID, 3 CD units, an Air Flotilla, and several Base Forces. Though weakened, these bases will still be tough to take as they also are getting about 10,000 supply each.

Two STf move in to protect the transports. The Kongos and a CA TF will happily engage any DDs that survived the CV Strike at Adak.

Adak
Two full Divisions of the Kido Butai arrive WITHOUT DETECTION on the 24th. They launched a morning and afternoon strike (Morning: 170 Sam, 13 Judy, and 18 Jill Afternoon: 175 Sam, 39 Judy, 31 Jill). They, initially, deal with 72 P-40s on CAP. A large number of P-40s fall and five Dds are struck. DD Trathen is sunk by 2 800 Kg Bombs. I LOVE those Y4 Judy!

All of the DDs disband into port.

Tomorrow
From the two CV TFs, a Bombardment TF of 3 CA and 4 DDs arrow in.

The Kongos get similar orders.

The CVs move to a protective position near Attu, Shemya, Agattu, and Amchitka. Fighters set to CAP and LRCAP.


We really only need one more day of uninterrupted operations for all the troops to be lifted off. If we can do that, I shall consider the fuel expenditure worthwhile in keeping these bases tough AND bringing back over 50,000 veteran troops for Home Isles defense. Any sunken ships is a pleasant bonus...





Just got finished reading an excellent book on the American air raid on Truk in 1944. Just about as detailed as could be breaking down every (I mean every) strike that the Allies sent in along with the ordnance carried. The most stunning thing to me was the variety of bombs the Allies had to trow at Japan at that time. Some I have never heard of. They were even taking depth charge cases and filling them with torpex and dropping them on the airfields. The theory being that the DC would not penetrate before going off thus creating a bigger blast area and doing more shock damage to soft targets such as aircraft. They worked very well. It just burns me up to see the late war Japanese Judy flinging that excellent 800kg bomb around when the Allies are pretty much stuck with 500 pounders from every thing but their dive bombers. Yes, I know that there are supposed to be bigger bombs if you have high exp pilots but frankly, in a pbemail game, I rarely have bomber pilots with exp over 60.


I suppose it was another balance issue but the Allies had a lot better stuff than Japan and we never get to see it.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 6:45:44 PM   
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I was unaware of some of that Mister Sutton.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 6:47:08 PM   
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What happened was the two Kido Butai Divisions in the DEI docked their the previous turn. Dan saw this yet still ordered the attack. I LIKED it!



What timing. Was there a 50% reduction in air cap because fleet carriers where in a base hex, or did they fly full strength because it was a ground bombing run?



He was after the AF. It was NICE to watch and see those B-24s get BLASTED!

I had 5 CV and 3 CVL present as well as the Ground-Based Fighters.


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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 7:22:00 PM   
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Complex view of Operation Aurora.

The circled bases have troops being replaced and lifted off.
The yellow lines leading to the bases are supply TFs headed to drop off needed supplies.
The red lines going to Adak are two Bombardment TFs.
Last we have the location for the CVs (orange) to move to.

Just off the screen are 8 AOs with about 30,000 fuel which should allow the CVs to return to Saipan.





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RE: September 1944 - 7/14/2017 7:27:14 PM   
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The 1.0x10^6 is heading slowly south gaining TFs as it moves. Looks like he is escorting his empty shipping back towards Australia.

WE are watching carefully...

With the Allied Fleet moving south bases begin to fill up in China and Okinawa areas. Gonna try to give the Allies a bellyache...






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RE: September 1944 - 7/15/2017 5:45:43 AM   
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Dan is going hiking for a few days so we'll use it as a chance to go through EVERYTHING!


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RE: September 1944 - 7/15/2017 1:32:46 PM   
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We really only need one more day of uninterrupted operations for all the troops to be lifted off. If we can do that, I shall consider the fuel expenditure worthwhile in keeping these bases tough AND bringing back over 50,000 veteran troops for Home Isles defense. Any sunken ships is a pleasant bonus...


Yes. You're right. Very worthwhile endeavor. Nicely done.

What are your priorities for their new placement?

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RE: September 1944 - 7/15/2017 9:26:23 PM   
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Just got finished reading an excellent book on the American air raid on Truk in 1944. Just about as detailed as could be breaking down every (I mean every) strike that the Allies sent in along with the ordnance carried. The most stunning thing to me was the variety of bombs the Allies had to trow at Japan at that time. Some I have never heard of. They were even taking depth charge cases and filling them with torpex and dropping them on the airfields. The theory being that the DC would not penetrate before going off thus creating a bigger blast area and doing more shock damage to soft targets such as aircraft. They worked very well. It just burns me up to see the late war Japanese Judy flinging that excellent 800kg bomb around when the Allies are pretty much stuck with 500 pounders from every thing but their dive bombers. Yes, I know that there are supposed to be bigger bombs if you have high exp pilots but frankly, in a pbemail game, I rarely have bomber pilots with exp over 60.


I suppose it was another balance issue but the Allies had a lot better stuff than Japan and we never get to see it.


Please, don't be that stingy but release the name of the book...


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RE: September 1944 - 7/15/2017 9:29:43 PM   
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In a reasoned gamble, another convoy of Tankers is sent out from Borneo past southern Mindanao. The Convoy carries a bit over 80,000 Fuel and easily gets through. If nothing happens tomorrow then this convoy is successful and heads for the Marianas.

All TK/AO are unloaded in the Home Islands and any with damage were disbanded in Tokyo and are now 100%. They depart heading for the Marianas and a return trip to the DEI.



You know you can do the way back also with AKs loaded with some supply. And than fill them with oil, or fuel. They load a pretty good amount of it!

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RE: September 1944 - 7/18/2017 10:50:56 PM   
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Dan returned today and we got a turn in.

If he flies at night with his 4EB he is reasonably safe but if he flies in the day...

Though only 5 B-29, these planes NEVER return home.





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RE: September 1944 - 7/20/2017 2:52:51 AM   
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Just got finished reading an excellent book on the American air raid on Truk in 1944. Just about as detailed as could be breaking down every (I mean every) strike that the Allies sent in along with the ordnance carried. The most stunning thing to me was the variety of bombs the Allies had to trow at Japan at that time. Some I have never heard of. They were even taking depth charge cases and filling them with torpex and dropping them on the airfields. The theory being that the DC would not penetrate before going off thus creating a bigger blast area and doing more shock damage to soft targets such as aircraft. They worked very well. It just burns me up to see the late war Japanese Judy flinging that excellent 800kg bomb around when the Allies are pretty much stuck with 500 pounders from every thing but their dive bombers. Yes, I know that there are supposed to be bigger bombs if you have high exp pilots but frankly, in a pbemail game, I rarely have bomber pilots with exp over 60.


I suppose it was another balance issue but the Allies had a lot better stuff than Japan and we never get to see it.


Please, don't be that stingy but release the name of the book...




Interesting book that a neighbor who lived on Truk gave me. Although, written for skin diving the author detailed every raid. I will ask him for the author. Did not pay attention. Very good maps of all of the Japanese airfields and fortifications too. I think this is the book.. https://www.amazon.com/World-War-Wrecks-Truk-Lagoon/dp/0911615067/ref=pd_lpo_sbs_14_img_1?_encoding=UTF8&psc=1&refRID=6F4AD2GW2ZR3CXRQWV4B

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RE: September 1944 - 7/20/2017 3:43:06 AM   
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Thanks Sir.


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RE: September 1944 - 7/20/2017 3:45:28 AM   
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September 28, 1944

The month is drawing to a close. Following Lowpe's advice I try to hit him wherever I can and make each raid a possible costly affair. Japanese Fighters appear over Luangprabang, INDOCHINA. They fall on 48 unescorted B-24s.






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RE: September 1944 - 7/20/2017 3:46:56 AM   
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Operation Aurora winds down as a complete success. I will Post a list of all the recovered units and they shall be headed to the Home Islands tomorrow. The Carriers and STFs are heading to Marcus for refueling and, perhaps, checking out an American set of TFs spotted just west of Kwajalein.


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RE: September 1944 - 7/20/2017 11:31:23 AM   
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The family is riding the Union Pacific 844 Steam Engine today from Cheyenne to Denver. No turn until we're back this afternoon. This is the 4th year UP has invited us (my wife is a City Councilwoman for LaSalle) to ride the VIP Train and who can EVER so no to a big steamer??!!

Need to do a comprehensive update. Have got the next 3 days off and intend to cover just about everything I can.

Does anyone have specific things they would like me to Post on? We just finished the September 28, 1944 turn. Want to do the Posting on the October 1st turn.


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RE: September 1944 - 7/20/2017 12:15:33 PM   
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Strategic bombing: I was able to accumulate massive victory points on Skygee with my STRAT campaign. I got something
like 40,000 VPs for a six month span hitting him at night at 6,ooo'. Most of the light industry was reduced to less than 50%
from Osaka west. I was too late to make a difference IMHO. Be ready for massive VP flux. Ignore it and fight on. As
useless as night fighters seemed I did run into way to many airframes with no pilots. If at all possible I would try night
raids on his airfields at night over Formosa if possible. So, that said, I'd like to know what your night fighter and
air defense looks like from Nagasaki to just west of Tokyo.

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RE: September 1944 - 7/20/2017 1:22:36 PM   
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Need to do a comprehensive update. Have got the next 3 days off and intend to cover just about everything I can.



Owners never have a day off. Ere you know it, you will be working double shifts because some employees call in sick, followed by some paperwork chores to satisfy some paper shufflers...

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