Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

It is time to tell the truth.

This is John's wife. He was found downstairs in the Man Cave with a sword in his hands. Kept muttering something about 'six wasted months of game time juggling three games, turning into a failure, and losing THE FIGHT.' He's been in an asylum ever since and I have played the game for him...



Don't let Dan know...

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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Pics from your boobies please.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Pics from your boobies please.

You might want to rethink that.

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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: Gräfin Zeppelin

Pics from your boobies please.

You might want to rethink that.

Damit why cant I make a sexist joke without backfiring

Thats ...thats sexist *nods*

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Always trust someone to go a BRIDGE TOO FAR! Grafin, probably, doesn't want a picture of a somewhat insane 51 year-old man's boobies.

I mean---unless you WANT TO...

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Always trust someone to go a BRIDGE TOO FAR! Grafin, probably, doesn't want a picture of a somewhat insane 51 year-old man's boobies.

I mean---unless you WANT TO...

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ORIGINAL: BillBrown

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

Always trust someone to go a BRIDGE TOO FAR! Grafin, probably, doesn't want a picture of a somewhat insane 51 year-old man's boobies.

I mean---unless you WANT TO...

That would be worse than the TOE.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Lecivius
True, but even so that's a huge loss

Of course it is. Staggering losses. In case you're just tuning in, you'll find that Canoerebel doesn't care about unmitigated disasters like this from time to time. Just lost 50 DBs that were unescorted and chewed to pieces? Meh. Four dozen 2EBs that were unescorted and destroyed en masse? [YAWN] An ARMY liquidated on Sumatra? Whatever (shrugs).

The Allied surfeit and a lack of 'ownership' about insane losses is what is driving his war effort. IRL, he would have been relieved a long, long time ago. That's never in question in the game.

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ORIGINAL: palioboy2
Both sides have done things that would be unacceptable to the pixel high commands back on the home front.

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ORIGINAL: palioboy2

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Lecivius
True, but even so that's a huge loss

Of course it is. Staggering losses. In case you're just tuning in, you'll find that Canoerebel doesn't care about unmitigated disasters like this from time to time. Just lost 50 DBs that were unescorted and chewed to pieces? Meh. Four dozen 2EBs that were unescorted and destroyed en masse? [YAWN] An ARMY liquidated on Sumatra? Whatever (shrugs).

The Allied surfeit and a lack of 'ownership' about insane losses is what is driving his war effort. IRL, he would have been relieved a long, long time ago. That's never in question in the game.

But the Japanese high command would be fine with nibbling at the Allies rear areas and trying to work ambushes far from the front line while the Allies drive through the Philippines and into China and shredding the home islands with heavy bomber strikes?

Both sides have done things that would be unacceptable to the pixel high commands back on the home front.

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

Aye. But the preponderance of the glad handing, back slapping, self-aggrandizing and atta-boying most frequently resides in the AFB camp, IMO.

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

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ORIGINAL: palioboy2

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ORIGINAL: Chickenboy

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ORIGINAL: Lecivius
True, but even so that's a huge loss

Of course it is. Staggering losses. In case you're just tuning in, you'll find that Canoerebel doesn't care about unmitigated disasters like this from time to time. Just lost 50 DBs that were unescorted and chewed to pieces? Meh. Four dozen 2EBs that were unescorted and destroyed en masse? [YAWN] An ARMY liquidated on Sumatra? Whatever (shrugs).

The Allied surfeit and a lack of 'ownership' about insane losses is what is driving his war effort. IRL, he would have been relieved a long, long time ago. That's never in question in the game.

But the Japanese high command would be fine with nibbling at the Allies rear areas and trying to work ambushes far from the front line while the Allies drive through the Philippines and into China and shredding the home islands with heavy bomber strikes?

Both sides have done things that would be unacceptable to the pixel high commands back on the home front.

...and what, exactly, oooooh seer of knowledge would YOU do? Have you gotten to almost 1945 in a head-to-head match?

I am maintaining a 'fleet-in-being' that has the potential to cause havoc with the enemy. NOTHING I do at home will stop whatever is to come other then 'die trying.' Get so tired of this commentary and behavior. There is still the possibility of gaining some sort of positive reward for having the fleet at large and my goal is to try and find some way of inflicting more damage upon the enemy.

Will still lose the Fleet but it shall be on MY TERMs and not my opponents.

What sets me off here is the fundamental difference between an Allied player and a Japanese player. In 1942 and/or 1943 the Allied player KNOWS that no matter what he loses or what defeats are inflicted on him and his units, he will still win. Look at this match for perfect example. You might be beaten up for a while but no how you play--good or bad--you will still win. The Japanese player gets the heady days of 1942 and know no mater what he does--no matter how perfectly he plays--he will still lose. Put simply the Allied player always has hope and the Japanese player never has it. We--Japanese players--play for the excited of the start and hoped for standing tall at the end. That is the difference from my perspective.

Might be wrong but that is my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

What sets me off here is the fundamental difference between an Allied player and a Japanese player. In 1942 and/or 1943 the Allied player KNOWS that no matter what he loses or what defeats are inflicted on him and his units, he will still win. Look at this match for perfect example. You might be beaten up for a while but no how you play--good or bad--you will still win. The Japanese player gets the heady days of 1942 and know no mater what he does--no matter how perfectly he plays--he will still lose. Put simply the Allied player always has hope and the Japanese player never has it. We--Japanese players--play for the excited of the start and hoped for standing tall at the end. That is the difference from my perspective.

Might be wrong but that is my opinion.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

What sets me off here is the fundamental difference between an Allied player and a Japanese player. In 1942 and/or 1943 the Allied player KNOWS that no matter what he loses or what defeats are inflicted on him and his units, he will still win. Look at this match for perfect example. You might be beaten up for a while but no how you play--good or bad--you will still win. The Japanese player gets the heady days of 1942 and know no mater what he does--no matter how perfectly he plays--he will still lose. Put simply the Allied player always has hope and the Japanese player never has it. We--Japanese players--play for the excited of the start and hoped for standing tall at the end. That is the difference from my perspective.

Might be wrong but that is my opinion.

You are wrong. I lost a PBEM as the Allies to a great Japan player. Auto-vic 1/1/43. Humbling. It can be done.

I am playing a great Japan player in Lokasenna in late October 1944. I'm at about 1.5:1 against in VPs, struggling to eke out a draw--maybe--in 1946. It can be done.

You lost an epic carrier battle through miscalculation and aggressive hubris. It was the turning point in this game, far more than anything that happened at Sumatra. I'm sure you learned from it, as I have learned many times in the two games I named. But this lament "Japan can't win" is simply untrue.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

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ORIGINAL: John 3rd

What sets me off here is the fundamental difference between an Allied player and a Japanese player. In 1942 and/or 1943 the Allied player KNOWS that no matter what he loses or what defeats are inflicted on him and his units, he will still win. Look at this match for perfect example. You might be beaten up for a while but no how you play--good or bad--you will still win. The Japanese player gets the heady days of 1942 and know no mater what he does--no matter how perfectly he plays--he will still lose. Put simply the Allied player always has hope and the Japanese player never has it. We--Japanese players--play for the excited of the start and hoped for standing tall at the end. That is the difference from my perspective.

Might be wrong but that is my opinion.

You are wrong. I lost a PBEM as the Allies to a great Japan player. Auto-vic 1/1/43. Humbling. It can be done.

I am playing a great Japan player in Lokasenna in late October 1944. I'm at about 1.5:1 against in VPs, struggling to eke out a draw--maybe--in 1946. It can be done.

You lost an epic carrier battle through miscalculation and aggressive hubris. It was the turning point in this game, far more than anything that happened at Sumatra. I'm sure you learned from it, as I have learned many times in the two games I named. But this lament "Japan can't win" is simply untrue.

Bullwinkle, what scenario?

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


Auto-vic was DBB with stacking limits, my first DBB and first stacking limits. Not his.

The Loka game is Stock Scenario 2 with PDU ON, and ahistoric R&D. My own brand of hubris.

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ORIGINAL: Lowpe

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58


Auto-vic was DBB with stacking limits, my first DBB and first stacking limits. Not his.

The Loka game is Stock Scenario 2 with PDU ON, and ahistoric R&D. My own brand of hubris.

I think your sentiments are dead on, but I will add a caveat. Scenario 1 style games, which this is not, is exceptionally difficult for Japan to make June of 45. Japanese AV is almost never a threat.

Scenario 2 style games the threat of Japanese AV is high, and the possibility of making 1946 is high.

The number of actual JFBs that have made it to the end game in a pbem is very low, and the mistake rate of JFBs in the end game is super high and absolutely unforgiving.

I think that is what John is trying to express.

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ORIGINAL: Bullwinkle58

Well, that's not what he said. And this is a super-powered-Japan mod that he himself wrote.

But sure, Scenario 1 is hard for Japan, especially if they try to invade Oz or India, which the devs never intended be done in Scenario 1. If they expand and then hunker down, don't abuse the economy, and play the island game well, they can win the game.