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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 2:54:45 PM   
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1st Marine Division - You should have enough devices to rebuild. However, if there is one device that you might be short on, it's the 57mm AT guns. I would go into the Intel and then Industry screen and set those to stockpile (Y) so you can micromanage them into this division.


Several of you have recommended this (including you previously and Bullwinkle about five weeks ago). I eventually caught on and ordered stockpiling about a month ago, game time.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 3:15:32 PM   
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'By the twitching of my thumbs, something wicked this way comes.'

He's had time to get his big boys from the Sumatra campaign all polished and moved, so this is no surprise. And this IS John. This is not a person known for patience. Of course he is going to react violently in the Marshall's. And you still don't have much to ward off his elephant hide BB's. I don't see a lot of subs between you and Truk?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 3:43:49 PM   
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There's a host of Allied subs in the Marshalls and between there and Truk. Lots of them.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 4:13:51 PM   
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There's a host of Allied subs in the Marshalls and between there and Truk. Lots of them.


I like what you have done with them. I noticed them in the last graphic.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 5:09:46 PM   
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There are actually alot more than that. I checked after I read Lecivius's post. There are eight subs on the way from this theater to Pearl Harbor to replenish. There are five more subs repairing at Pearl. All of the former have assigned patrols in Roller Coaster AOO. The five at Pearl will be divided - three going there and two heading to NoPac (and switching home port to Kodiak - I'm not ready yet to make Dutch Harbor a sub hub due to fuel).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 5:21:52 PM   
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8/5/43

Roller Coaster: Bettys from Tabituea hit the xAK TF that moved from Jaluit to just south of Mili. CAP didn't reply in time, so the Bettys damaged two xAK and sank an escorting DD. A second strike did encounter stiff CAP with the Bettys downed. John lost 9 Bettys.

Two large enemy combat TFs are just west of the Marshalls and seem inbound. I think all the Allied merchant shipping there and to the east has tickled his aggressive nature. I'll have to do some thinking about how to disperse my vulnerable ships - disband them in likely harbors or flee to the NE, E, or SE.

This region looks kinda like a building hornet's nest. I think where the nest is, so be the hornets. Almost certainly KB is in this region. I'll give another round of thought to the possibility of switching up and moving in NoPac first. But I believe I'm still inclined to seek battle in CenPac.

Jaluit supply level is holding well at 19k. It seems that 20k troops triggered immense supply usage while 15k hasn't thus far. I'll keep monitoring.

I'll be spending several hours working on the new turn, as it's time to begin loading some Thin Man TFs and organzing some of the combat and CVE TFs.

Circus: No enemy activity today. Badly damaged DD Abbott has repaired to moderate damage and will make for Seattle tonight. SigInt reports 38th Div. inbound to Buldir Island. John seems to be aggressively defending forward in the Aleuts and in the Marshalls. This is going to make the going tough, but I think it's exactly what I want. I want to seek and destroy enemy assets, including ground troops, and I much prefer to do so close to friendly bases (until the Allies have a decisive advantage in carriers).

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 7:24:52 PM   
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There's a host of Allied subs in the Marshalls and between there and Truk. Lots of them.



"hit but no explosion" I must have seen that message four times in my last turn....

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 7:28:12 PM   
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This is August '43. I would like to see 3-4 spouts pop up alongside a KB carrier. I think I would hear the explosion from here, and I'm @ 90 miles away from where John lives




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/22/2016 7:43:13 PM   
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There's a host of Allied subs in the Marshalls and between there and Truk. Lots of them.



"hit but no explosion" I must have seen that message four times in my last turn....


Just restarted AndyMacs Ironman Ported to Babes (scen 40) and got that message on the Akagi at Pearl on the night of turn 2.

Two turns later I got it on the Haruna at Midway.

I'd like to find a way to disable that message!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 2:08:16 AM   
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Developing Hornet's Nest in the Marshalls...or not?

I am most interested in seeing how John handles this. Is he leery of Allied LBA or the possibility of ambush by Allied combat ships or carriers? Or is he brash and bold and confident that the Kaigun rules these seas? I'll know more when this turn is run.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 2:13:00 AM   
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Loving the maps.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 2:15:45 AM   
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And this map shows the procession of subs heading back to Pearl Harbor.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 2:43:49 AM   
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A careful look at the map tonight shows that the approaches to both Kwaj and Roi-Namur are difficult. Due to coral reefs, approach vectors are narrow and from the Japanese sides, for the most part. This will probably require a more forward deployment than I'd like - my carriers out front, too close to Ponape and Kusaie.

There may be ways to dampen this effect a bit. One possibility is to seize a few of the dot hexes first, to establish forward PBY bases.

Another possibility is to move on Wake Island first. the advantage is that John can't bring overpowering LBA to bear. Another advantage is that I have two units (restricted, but I have PP) at San Fran that are 60%+ prepped. The disadvantage is that it commits my ships in open waters relatively distant from friendly bases (John too, but not quite as distant for him). This is a possibility.

A third possibility is to move on Kusaie first. Not real attractive due, but I'm looking at it.

The fourth possibility is to proceed with an Aleutians invasion first. This would involve moving most of my amphibs up to Prince Rupert and Kodiak, which would take a week or ten days. While that was going on, I might steam my CVs into a blocking position west of Midway (assuming I had decent info that KB was at Truk or somewhere down that way).

My preference is to stick with Roi and Kwaj, but these are things I'm mulling over.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 10:39:09 AM   
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8/6/43

A day full of interesting information begins with this email comment by John: "Requisition for a bunch of Shop Brooms and about 150 gallons of Battleship Grey paint please." This tells me his BBs in the Marshalls were targeted successfully but without much effect. It also serves as a movie spoiler, but I've long, long since given up trying to persuade John not to spoil the movie. He tries and sometimes manages to remain sober for weeks at a time, but eventually he falls off the wagon.

Roller Coaster: The day begins with an IJN sub picking off an xAK near Mili. Then a USN sub picks off a PB near Ponape. Then Allied ASW sinks an IJN sub outright near Pearl.

Next come a series of Japanese strikes against Allied merchants east of the Marshalls. Bettys at extreme range (17 hexes) put four torps into a DE east of Maloelap. Jills from Roi/Kwaj strike in big numbers but no escorts, sinking two or three supply xAK at a cost of 21 Jills.

Then Allied SBDs, TBFs (carrying bombs) and even some Vindicators and biplane Hellcats (the latter two used mainly for ASW duty) score multiple hits on Musashi and Nagato (condensed info from Combat Report to be included in next post). Many of the hits are 1000-pounders. Damage probably isn't more than minimal, but perhaps enough to make these ships just that little bit more vulnerable in future operations.

The combat report says enemy LRCAP was provided by squadrons from Akagi and Hiyo. On the day, John loses 9 A6M5b and 4 Georges. The Allies lose four Wildcats, two P38G and two P40K, plus minimal numbers of strike aircraft. Enemy flak downs just striker - a TBF.

Most important, this is good information. John is willing to send capital ships into island waters controlled (though not dominated) by Allied air power. He apparently isn't concerned about Allied carriers. He apparently thinks these waters are his. NavSearch isn't reporting enemy carriers, but I'm on heightened alert now.

18th Canadian Bde. arrives at Pearl tomorrow. The American carriers will be ready in six days.

Circus: SigInt reports 38th Div. is prepping for Ulak. This follows a report a day or two back that this division was inbound to Buldir Island in the western Aleutians. Ulak has 150 AV behind 3.5 forts. It's exposed as the most forward Allied base, but it's not easy pickings. The question is whether John can overwhelm the defenses before the Allies are prepared to return to the Aleutians in force, which will be after the Marshalls campaign wraps up.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 10:46:58 AM   
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"Paint Scraping" Excerpts from the Combat Report

Morning Air attack on TF, near Jaluit at 133,121

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 64 NM, estimated altitude 4,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 30 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 11

Allied aircraft
P-38G Lightning x 8
P-38H Lightning x 7
P-40K Warhawk x 9
F4F-3 Wildcat x 4
TBF-1 Avenger x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 2 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed
F4F-3 Wildcat: 1 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 6 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Bomb hits 1
CL Isuzu, Bomb hits 1
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 1

Aircraft Attacking:
18 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 3000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
6 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 20000 feet
6 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 35000 feet
7 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
Hiyo-1/A with A6M5b Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 6 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 16000.
Raid is overhead
Akagi-1 with A6M5b Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 5 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 16000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 8 minutes

....

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 19

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Suzunami
BB Nagato, Bomb hits 3, on fire
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 5

Aircraft Attacking:
19 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 3000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

....


Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 3
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
SB2U-3 Vindicator x 9

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Bomb hits 1, on fire
BB Musashi, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SB2U-3 Vindicator bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Nagato

....

Allied aircraft
SBC-4 Helldiver x 2

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBC-4 Helldiver bombing from 3000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Nagato

....


Allied aircraft
SB2U-3 Vindicator x 3

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 1, on fire

Aircraft Attacking:
3 x SB2U-3 Vindicator bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

....

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Morning Air attack on TF, near Jaluit at 133,121

Weather in hex: Overcast

Raid detected at 26 NM, estimated altitude 5,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 10 minutes

Allied aircraft
SBD-3 Dauntless x 6

Allied aircraft losses
SBD-3 Dauntless: 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Nagato, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Suzunami

Aircraft Attacking:
6 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Nagato

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Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 9

Allied aircraft
Kittyhawk IA x 5
P-38G Lightning x 7
P-38H Lightning x 6
P-40K Warhawk x 8
F4F-3 Wildcat x 2
SBD-3 Dauntless x 12
TBF-1 Avenger x 17

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M5b Zero: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
P-38G Lightning: 1 destroyed
P-40K Warhawk: 1 destroyed
SBD-3 Dauntless: 1 destroyed, 1 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 8 damaged
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed by flak

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 7, on fire
BB Nagato, Bomb hits 3, on fire
DD Kazegumo
DD Sazanami

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x TBF-1 Avenger bombing from 3000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 500 lb GP Bomb
12 x SBD-3 Dauntless bombing from 3000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb
2 x F4F-3 Wildcat sweeping at 10000 feet
2 x Kittyhawk IA sweeping at 8000 feet
6 x P-38G Lightning sweeping at 20000 feet
1 x P-38H Lightning sweeping at 35000 feet
6 x P-40K Warhawk sweeping at 14000 feet

CAP engaged:
Hiyo-1/A with A6M5b Zero (5 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
5 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 16000.
Raid is overhead
Akagi-1 with A6M5b Zero (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 16000.
Raid is overhead

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Musashi

....

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
SBC-4 Helldiver x 14

No Japanese losses

Allied aircraft losses
SBC-4 Helldiver: 3 damaged

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires
DD Amagiri
DD Suzunami
DD Kazegumo

Aircraft Attacking:
14 x SBC-4 Helldiver bombing from 3000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Hiyo-1/A with A6M5b Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 3000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 22 minutes
Akagi-1 with A6M5b Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 3000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Musashi

....

Japanese aircraft
A6M5b Zero x 2

Allied aircraft
SB2U-3 Vindicator x 9

No Japanese losses

No Allied losses

Japanese Ships
BB Musashi, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
DD Amagiri

Aircraft Attacking:
9 x SB2U-3 Vindicator bombing from 5000 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Hiyo-1/A with A6M5b Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
1 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 3000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 12 minutes
Akagi-1 with A6M5b Zero (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
0 plane(s) not yet engaged, 1 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 16000 , scrambling fighters to 3000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 9 minutes

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring BB Musashi



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 11:27:31 AM   
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It would have been nice if one or two of those bomb hits were torpedo hits instead. What have you got in the way of ship killers? you don't what to waste strike aircraft armed with bombs against BB's.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 11:36:10 AM   
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Another look at the map shows what seems to be a merchant TF a hex west of Amchitka. It could be transports bound for Ulak. With that in mind, I'm loading up my forward airfields, willing to risk what bombardments might do.

Ulak: 45 SBDs and 20 Hellcats
Adak: 20 TBFs (as bombers), 92 SBDs, 129 Fighters (including Corsairs, Thunderbolts, P40Ks and a few others).
Umak: One each P38G and P38H set to escort, 66 Liberators set to hit Amchitka's airfield, and 76 Mitchells set to naval strike.

John will have plenty of LRCAP, but let's see if the Allies can strike.

Down south, transports begin loading at Pearl Harbor: Two TFs loading paratroops; two big xAK TFs loading supply, and two Fast Transport TFs, one carrying infantry, one carrying aviation support. These, in turn, may be recombined into three Fast Transport TFs that will target dot hexes on the periphery. The main amphibs (all APA, LSD, AKA, and AK) will begin loading tomorrow.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 11:48:48 AM   
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It would have been nice if one or two of those bomb hits were torpedo hits instead. What have you got in the way of ship killers? you don't what to waste strike aircraft armed with bombs against BB's.


I think Canoerebel is doing pretty good with the resources he has ... I count 17 1000 pound bomb strikes on the Musashi .. I have sank a Yamato class BB with less 1000 pounders (15) and no torps

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 11:54:23 AM   
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It would have been nice if one or two of those bomb hits were torpedo hits instead. What have you got in the way of ship killers? you don't what to waste strike aircraft armed with bombs against BB's.


Tarawa has torp capability, so the TBFs were about to head there on the chance that John might probe in that direction.

But prompted by your question, I checked to see if any other air HQs were present in the Marshalls. There is one at Jaluit, which didn't have an airfield when the Allies landed (it was originally slated for Roi-Namur, but came ashore at Jaluit as part of the unloading in preparation for distribution of units). Jaluit is now a level one airfield, which is sufficient to handle torps. So the TBFs have moved there.

John is probably alerted to the risk he's taken, so I think he'll move his ships out of harm's way. But if he doesn't, the TBFs are now ready to strike (along with three Liberator squadrons moved from Pearl to Maloelap. These have high NavB skilled-pilots.)

Most of my Marshalls airfields are now way overloaded, but it's temporary while targets are present.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 11:57:13 AM   
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Did the bomb hits penetrate ? If yes you wont see those two for a long time.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 12:10:20 PM   
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I don't think any of the hits penetrated.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 12:11:05 PM   
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The situation in the Marshalls.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 12:16:41 PM   
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Is John about to counterinvade Ulak Island?




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 12:35:25 PM   
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I though you needed a size 2 AF to operate TBs from? So, Jaluit is still too small.

Once you get some Air HQs in place, a nice combo is one of my favorite planes, Beaufort VIII, matched up with F4F-4 Wildcats with drop tanks (range now 8/9 hexes). This will allow torpedoes to be carried out to 8 hexes and maybe you can get his BBs before the come in to bombard your bases at night. All 5 of my Beaufort groups are training up for this to happen.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 12:39:17 PM   
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The torpedo button is "white" at Jaluit, so it seems to be ready to go. But that's just a guess on my part, given the gaping holes in my knowledge of this massive game.

I have Beauforts inbound from Oz and more TBFs inbound from Pearl.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 12:44:06 PM   
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This screen shows that TBFs at Jaluit are apparently able to carry torps, even though it's only a level one airfield. The Air HQ stocks the torps. But you guys might be about to tell me that the screen is misleading; that the size of the airfield overrides the torp-enabled indication.






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 12:54:13 PM   
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The planes can carry torpedoes and have them equipped but there is no enough runway for them to take off.

No, planes do not fly bombing missions from a lvl 1 airfield.

The only thing lvl1 gets you is CAP and recon missions.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 1:03:39 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 1:41:34 PM   
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Well, actually, that is bad news but good information. At least you KNOW they won't fly yet. Get them SeeBees crackin

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/23/2016 1:46:38 PM   
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The planes can carry torpedoes and have them equipped but there is no enough runway for them to take off.

No, planes do not fly bombing missions from a lvl 1 airfield.

The only thing lvl1 gets you is CAP and recon missions.

Right - but what is the command range of the Air HQ? If it extends to a nearby island with a bigger AF, just put the TBs there.

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