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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:41:50 PM   
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"Matrix" used in business in countless ways and is pretty much meaningless. If you are in a meeting and any of the following words or phrases are used you probably just wasted an hour of your life that you will never get back : "Synergy, Outside The Box, Thought Leader, Leverage, Millennial, Best Of Breed". And don't even get me started on turning nouns into verbs. What I call "fix something" somebody actually calls "solution it". Using the English Language as a blunt instrument. Sheesh
I'll play. A word I hear that is misused quite commonly by business people is methodology when the proper word is method. Methodology is the study of methods and their development, not the methods themselves. I remember the sour look I got from some high priced consultant when I asked him what were the methods he used to practice methodology? After his long and drawn out answer, my boss concluded his methods were simple trial and error, tempered by experience. My boss decided not to pay for advice that was essentially what not to do.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:43:14 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 2:47:16 PM   
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Status: offline 		Lawyers really are terrible, terrible writers. There are the occasional exceptions, but if you become a lawyer it will take you years to overcome the side effects. Physicians probably don't have to write at such length and so often, but given their specialized vocabulary, do they tend to write like lawyers? Or is it just their handwriting that became notorious?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:10:56 PM   
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Words to hate that you’ll never “unhear”, used in common everyday communication?

“Exactly”

Just listen for it… and you’ll hear it, and when you do, you’ll never “not” hear it. In fact, sometimes you’ll get a ‘double – exactly’… as in “exactly EXACTLY!”



That's exactly what I was thinking.



Exactly EXACTLY!


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:15:56 PM   
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Lawyers really are terrible, terrible writers. There are the occasional exceptions, but if you become a lawyer it will take you years to overcome the side effects. Physicians probably don't have to write at such length and so often, but given their specialized vocabulary, do they tend to write like lawyers? Or is it just their handwriting that became notorious?


My dad's a doctor. i think it's a combination of the 'older generation' learning to write in cursive, and then trying to write out 500 letter latin words in cursive, tends to make bad handwriting. It wasn't his strong suit, but that was not indicative of "carelessness", for when it came to the details of the prescriptions, or medical stuff, his handwriting was crystal clear.

Me, I'm an engineer - so I was "untaught" cursive and learned to write everything in uppercase print letters.

I was also taught to put a "dash" in my Z, and a dash in my "7"'s lest one be confused if the letter is a 1, 2, Z, 7, or "lowercase l" (which was a no-no - no lowercase letters).

BUT THAT TYPE OF WRITING DOESN'T TRANSLATE WELL TO AN INTERNET FORUM BECAUSE EVERYONE THINKS YOU'RE YELLING AND SHOUTING.

But it's clear to understand - especially since "math" truly is the one language that transcends all "spoken" language. 1+1=2 can be understood by pretty much anyone, anywhere. One plus One Equals Two - not so much.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:17:06 PM   
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Status: offline 		With the advent of the electronic medical record physician notes become templated (probably not a word) to satisfy nimrods in Washington. There is a numerical diagnosis scheme imposed by the black helicopter guys in the WHO (ICD-10)


Not only is it not common English it seems purposely designed for-self parody.

Eg:

Burn due to water-skis on fire – V9107XA
or
Stabbed while crocheting – Y93D1

I have scribes now, mostly Asian pre-med students...so we have come full circle. It's like the Moravians teaching the Cherokee English.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:23:56 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:30:48 PM   
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Heard a professor use the term "palimpsest" when giving a lecture on Greek tragedy.


I've known palimpsest a long time; I actually wrote the first chapter of a novel once whose plot was based on a palimpsest. I was surprised to learn it is a Greek-root word. I had thought it was invented in corrupted Medieval Latin out of whole cloth.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:34:26 PM   
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I'll play. A word I hear that is misused quite commonly by business people is methodology when the proper word is method.


Great story. I am going to giggle whenever I hear anyone say "methodology".

One time, after an acquisition, the board of the medical group had to meet every morning at 6AM with the bean counters to work out a difficult staff "right-sizing" (this mostly means firing someone)

It was painful..6 AM daily for 2 weeks, tough subject matter and crappy coffee...and..after about the first 5 minutes I couldn't stand all the GD business jargon. "Right-sizing", "drill down", "trial balloon", "outside the box" etc., etc. I jotted all of the jargon down and made up a secret dictionary with funny definitions and some sexual references to some of the bean counters (male and female). Then I handed it out to the board and had them memorize the list. Next meeting whenever one guy would say "drill down" (examine in detail) our side of the table would start snickering like middle-schoolers. It made the exercise more tolerable and the most amazing thing is we conducted our own "Little Albert" experiment without even trying. In 2 days NOBODY on the bean counter side was saying "drill down" anymore.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:40:44 PM   
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ORIGINAL: AcePylut

Me, I'm an engineer - so I was "untaught" cursive and learned to write everything in uppercase print letters.




As an old school architect who spent 15 years drawing professionally by hand before transitioning to computers I can say a big "Amen" to that.

Every time some one tells me I have very nice "printing" I feel compelled to correct them by pointing out that printing is what a press does and that what I am doing is properly called "lettering".

Invested so much time in lettering that I have forgotten how to write anything cursively except my signature.

My checks are filled out with all caps block lettering and a cursive signature.

Even though we draw with computers now the all caps annotation carried over from the old days and it's always tough jumping from AutoCAD to Word or Outlook without first starting whatever I am typing in all caps.

Even do it sometimes on my forum posts.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:41:24 PM   
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Status: offline 		What about the media's sudden rapture over the word "pivot": "Today, John Kerry took a break from the value of the Yen and pivoted to foreign relations."

And when Al Gore was a candidate for president, the media became enraptured with "gravitas."

I hate both words now.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:41:37 PM   
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The French seem to have more than their share. "Ennui," for instances. There are some English synonyms, but do any really do it justice?


I've been reading a great book called "Lingo." Written by an academic linguist, it is 60 of Europe's languages (not even close to the total available) done in short vignettes of 3-4 pages each. I've learned so much. At the end of each he has a note of common loanwords into English, if any, as well as a note on words in the subject language that English could stand to have. Many express quite complex thoughts or situations in one short, easy word where English needs a phrase or even multiple sentences. The German "schadenfreude" is an example. Many languages also contain a single word meaning "a day, including its night" which English could use.

The book has helped me in my ESL volunteer work, to look at English as they see it. I used to think English was a fairly easy language: three cases (Finnish has 15), no gender except in pronouns, only twelve active voice tenses. My students continually tell me it's a vast swamp of difficulty though. After seeing how Europe works I see how English is very, very difficult to come to as an adult. It's massive in size, both in formal vocabulary as well as idioms, and the pronunciation non-rules are myriad.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:45:53 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:47:47 PM   
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ORIGINAL: HansBolter

Invested so much time in lettering that I have forgotten how to write anything cursively except my signature.

My checks are filled out with all caps block lettering and a cursive signature.


LOL. Me too. When I try to write in cursive, it just looks like a bunch of slashy lines going up and down. I have no clue how to write in cursive anymore. To me, learning how to write in cursive was the biggest waste of time in school. The 9 weeks I spent learning how to type on a keyboard was, far and away, a better use of time. (I still giggle on the inside when I see my boss type with "two-fingers")

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:47:48 PM   
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I suppose most of us add to our vocabulary occasionally throughout our lives. But I do have a very sharp memory of the last time I read a book that introduced me to a word I hadn't previously seen but that became an important part of my vocabulary: paradigm. I read the word in my fourth year of college in a collection of essays about the environment. I had no idea what it meant. I pronounced it very oddly: pair-at-uh-jim. I had to look it up. But since then I've seen it in print fairly often, heard it used in speech on occasion, and I use it from time to time in speech )but never in writing, I think).



I've always liked (lower case) "myrmidons." In upper case it's an honorable proper noun. In lower, it's yes-men/hatchet-men, used often in a political context.

It comes from the Greek word for "ant."

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:51:17 PM   
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Gawds, it's great to just be a hillbilly


A lot of "hillbilly" jargon and slang comes from Scots-Irish, which isn't really a thing, except in the US. Scots-Irish were pretty much "Irish."

You'd enjoy the book.

I got a copy for my ESL teacher, who is a native Czech speaker, and who learned Russian and German before becoming an adult ESL student. Now she earns her living teaching English, although in the past she also taught German and Czech for a paycheck. I can't begin to understand how a brain does that. I took ten months of Spanish forty years ago and it nearly killed me.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:52:31 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 3:54:21 PM   
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Laugh if you get the reference.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:00:41 PM   
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Years ago while researching a story about Lee & Gordon's Mill at Chickamauga, I came across a story in an 1864 issue of the Memphis Commercial Appeal noting that "Lincoln's ruffians had capturered the mill owner and he was hung by his minions." That threw me - the Commercial Appeal had used poor grammar and I thought a "minion" was a reference to some part of the body. Then it hit me: "Oh, they're referring to Lincoln's minions."


They were, but a particularly tortured use of pronouns. Using two (same gender) in one sentence is dangerous.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:03:37 PM   
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And don't even get me started on turning nouns into verbs.


Is it so bad? "he elbowed his way", "don't fence me in", "I'm rooting for"...
I always thought it was a nice feature of the English language.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:11:38 PM   
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Status: offline 		I cringe when I hear newcasters (no such thing as journalist in national media) use the word "Schizophrenia" to describe a politician who has flip flopped his position. They really mean 'multiple personality' or the new tern ' dissociative disorder.' Its one of my curses being in the mental health field.

I would like to known what degree you need to obtain to make up all the new medication names. Do they think they are playing Scrabble?? Lots of "X" and "Z" being used.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:22:38 PM   
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And don't even get me started on turning nouns into verbs.


Is it so bad? "he elbowed his way", "don't fence me in", "I'm rooting for"...
I always thought it was a nice feature of the English language.

Francois



I think he's talking about gerunds. Fish-->fishing.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:34:03 PM   
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What about the media's sudden rapture over the word "pivot": "Today, John Kerry took a break from the value of the Yen and pivoted to foreign relations."

And when Al Gore was a candidate for president, the media became enraptured with "gravitas."

I hate both words now.


"ennui" I am never going to get tired of that word.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:35:22 PM   
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breakout session: Gag!

icebreaker: kill the utter of that buzzword.


I'm with you on icebreaker, and hate when people say it. Just say "Everybody ask your neighbor ____" or do an activity.

But what else do you call breakout sessions? I'm thinking in terms of conferences and such. I hate calling them "tracks" even more, 'cause they aren't.

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When I was admitted to the 11th Circuit Court of Appeals, the admissions packet included a copy of Strunk & White. I think the good judges were appalled by the quality of lawyer writing. "Wherefore, the perpetrator ambulated in a westerly direction and confronted your complainant with malice aforethought."


Fixed the formatting for you.



Other bits:

Engineers apparently have really bad handwriting, so I'm not surprised at being forced to write in uppercase. Hell, I do it when I'm not sure the person reading my writing will be able to read it, or if I'm having a particularly bad handwriting day (I stopped writing regularly when I broke my hand in 2008).

Physicians don't seem to actually write prescriptions anymore. I'm pretty sure it's electronic, or at least printed out on some form with verification methods (bar codes maybe? Dunno). There may still be a signature required in that case. Every time I've gotten medication in the last 5 years, it's been at the same place that was giving me the prescription, so I never actually saw a piece of paper or anything.


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ORIGINAL: AcePylut

When I hear the word "minions".. anymore, thanks to my 3 year old and 10 year old, I can't help but shout "BA-NAN-A"

Laugh if you get the reference.


I may on occasion refer to certain low-level or incompetent employees as minions. Or maybe I don't.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:54:52 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 4:59:58 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 5:18:54 PM   
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John is going to "keep" this turn for a day or two to attend to homework, so all I have for now is the combat report. I'll get to see the replay later, but I won't be able to open the next turn file to see what's where as far as KB, etc. After my usual AAR format, I've copied and pasted the full combat report just in case you wish to pour over it. It was a busy and apparently a good and productive day, but there were two items of concern that I'll mention in just a moment.

Big Tent: The landings on the day seemed to go smoothly. The big assault on the beach at Morotai was unopposed and there was no auto-bombardment, so the base must be empty. To my pleasant surprise, the amphibious TFs slated for Galaei and Lolobato (further down the coast from Morotai) also made it and unloaded troops. These bases, too, appear undefended. The small landing at Gebe took that base via atoll-shock attack. And the landing at Kofiau is unopposed too.

And the troops that landed the day before at other bases took Sorong, Sansapor, and Waigeo.

Further south, Fletcher detachments patrolling at Ambon and Boela encounter large enemy merchant TFs. At Ambon, the Fletchers sank one xAK and damaged a few others (destroying roughly 30 squads, mostly combat) . The enemy ships then escaped. At Boela, the enemy ships avoided the combat. I hope that these patrolling Fletchers forced the enemy TFs out of the hex so that they didn't land troops. I'll know more when I see the map, especially if scheduled recon of these two bases was successful.

Enemy forces were active on the day: (1) A sub put two torps into an APA (if it was the one hit yesterday, it probably sank). (2) An enemy air strike found a supply xAK TF with low CAP numbers (not sure how it got separated yet) and damaged a handful of the ships. (3) A large Death Star strike went against a lone xAP at Ternate. There was heavy CAP and I lost a disproportionate number of aircraft: 15 Hellcats and 15 strike aircaft included.

The key is whether KB is one the way or not. I feel certain that it is. If so, I need to be careful with my carrier aircraft regarding sorties and fighter numbers. That will be a challenge.

On the other hand, the landgins are going very well. I've now taken (or will take tomorrow) 12 bases, including three major targets (Manikwari, Sorong and Morotai), each with well-prepped divisions, engineers, and naval-support BFs.

The first two things I'll look at when I get the replay: (1) where is KB, and (2) how do things look at Sorong in the way of supply and work by the two engineering regiments.

The next big decision: (1) stay around Morotai to unload lots of supply? (2) weigh anchor and make for Ceram to deal with those basse? (3) move back to Sorong to disband the AE/AKE (for replenishment purposes), to begin unloading strat troops (extra engineers in particular), and to protect the airfield from enemy attack.

If KB is inbound, I'm probably going to do one of three things: (1) move directly towards it to accept battle near Sorong/Manikwari (which will minimize the reach of his LBA), move towards Sorong, which will have to be my Alamo; or (3) move towards Ceram keeping open the option of moving towards northern Oz if something goes awry.

Overall impression: This was a third consecutive productive day for the Allies.

AFTER ACTION REPORTS FOR Nov 16, 43
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Invasion Support action off Sorong (82,107)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

2 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-350
LST-353
LST-354
LST-23

LST-350 fired at enemy troops
LST-353 fired at enemy troops
LST-354 fired at enemy troops


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Namlea at 76,108, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Nako Maru
xAK Kinsyo Maru
xAK Nippo Maru
xAK Terushima Maru, Shell hits 1
xAK Kosei Maru
xAK Tazima Maru
xAK Terukawa Maru
xAK Alaska Maru, Shell hits 3, on fire

Allied Ships
DD Jupiter

Japanese ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 1 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Improved night sighting under 82% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 82% moonlight: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
Japanese ships attempt to get underway
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
DD Jupiter engages xAK Terushima Maru at 8,000 yards
Range closes to 7,000 yards
DD Jupiter engages xAK Kinsyo Maru at 7,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
DD Jupiter engages xAK Terushima Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Jupiter engages xAK Nippo Maru at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
Range closes to 3,000 yards
Range closes to 2,000 yards
DD Jupiter engages xAK Kinsyo Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Jupiter engages xAK Alaska Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Jupiter engages xAK Terukawa Maru at 2,000 yards
DD Jupiter engages xAK Terushima Maru at 2,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...


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Sub attack near Victoria at 208,51

Japanese Ships
SS I-38

Allied Ships
xAK Thomas M. Cooley, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage
YMS-291

SS I-38 launches 2 torpedoes at xAK Thomas M. Cooley
I-38 bottoming out ....
YMS-291 fails to find sub, continues to search...
YMS-291 fails to find sub, continues to search...
YMS-291 fails to find sub, continues to search...
YMS-291 fails to find sub, continues to search...
YMS-291 fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Night Time Surface Combat, near Ambon at 76,109, Range 8,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
xAK Nako Maru
xAK Kinsyo Maru
xAK Nippo Maru
xAK Terushima Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAK Kosei Maru, Shell hits 3
xAK Tazima Maru, Shell hits 6, heavy fires
xAK Terukawa Maru, Shell hits 1, on fire
xAK Alaska Maru, Shell hits 4, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Burns
DD Jenkins

Japanese ground losses:
850 casualties reported
Squads: 17 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 15 destroyed, 18 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Improved night sighting under 82% moonlight
Maximum visibility in Overcast Conditions and 82% moonlight: 8,000 yards
Range closes to 27,000 yards...
Range closes to 25,000 yards...
Range closes to 23,000 yards...
Range closes to 21,000 yards...
Range closes to 19,000 yards...
Range closes to 17,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 17,000 yards
Range closes to 15,000 yards...
Range closes to 13,000 yards...
Range closes to 11,000 yards...
Range closes to 10,000 yards...
Range closes to 9,000 yards...
Range closes to 8,000 yards...
CONTACT: Japanese lookouts spot Allied task force at 8,000 yards
CONTACT: Allied lookouts spot Japanese task force at 8,000 yards
DD Jenkins engages xAK Alaska Maru at 8,000 yards
xAK Alaska Maru sunk by DD Burns at 8,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Tazima Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Kosei Maru at 8,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Terushima Maru at 8,000 yards
Range increases to 9,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Terukawa Maru at 9,000 yards
DD Jenkins engages xAK Terushima Maru at 9,000 yards
DD Jenkins engages xAK Kinsyo Maru at 9,000 yards
Range closes to 6,000 yards
DD Jenkins engages xAK Terukawa Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Tazima Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Kosei Maru at 6,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Kinsyo Maru at 6,000 yards
Range closes to 5,000 yards
DD Jenkins engages xAK Terukawa Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Tazima Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Kosei Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Terushima Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Jenkins engages xAK Nako Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Jenkins engages xAK Terukawa Maru at 5,000 yards
DD Burns engages xAK Terukawa Maru at 5,000 yards
Japanese Task Force Manages to Escape
Task forces break off...


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Amphibious Assault at Morotai (80,101)

TF 340 troops unloading over beach at Morotai, 80,101

Allied ground losses:
440 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 70 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 93 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 32 (0 destroyed, 32 disabled)
Vehicles lost 60 (1 destroyed, 59 disabled)

Motorized Support lost from landing craft during unload of 5th Indian Div /3
12 Naval Support troops lost overboard during unload of 227th USN Base Force /2


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Amphibious Assault at Gebe (80,105)

TF 461 troops unloading over beach at Gebe, 80,105

Allied ground losses:
48 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

13 troops of a USA 43 Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of 1/153rd Infantry Bn


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Amphibious Assault at Galeia (79,101)

TF 520 troops unloading over beach at Galeia, 79,101

Allied ground losses:
29 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 4 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



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Amphibious Assault at Morotai (80,101)

TF 525 troops unloading over beach at Morotai, 80,101

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 36 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 3 (0 destroyed, 3 disabled)
Vehicles lost 13 (0 destroyed, 13 disabled)



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Invasion Support action off Sorong (82,107)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-350
LST-353
LST-354
LST-23

LST-350 fired at enemy troops
LST-353 fired at enemy troops
LST-354 fired at enemy troops


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Amphibious Assault at Kofiau (80,106)

TF 585 troops unloading over beach at Kofiau, 80,106

Allied ground losses:
56 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 8 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



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Invasion Support action off Sorong (82,107)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

1 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-350
LST-353
LST-354
LST-23

LST-350 fired at enemy troops
LST-353 fired at enemy troops
LST-354 fired at enemy troops


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Sub attack near Morotai at 81,103

Japanese Ships
SS I-183

Allied Ships
CV Yorktown
BB Alabama
CA Northampton
CLAA Reno
DD Endicott
DD Shaw
DD Conyngham
DD O'Brien
DD Hughes

SS I-183 launches 2 torpedoes at CV Yorktown
I-183 diving deep ....
DD Shaw fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Conyngham attacking submerged sub ....
DD O'Brien fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Hughes fails to find sub and abandons search
DD Conyngham attacking submerged sub ....
DD Conyngham fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Conyngham fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Conyngham fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Conyngham fails to find sub, continues to search...
DD Conyngham fails to find sub, continues to search...
Escort abandons search for sub


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Day Time Surface Combat, near Boela at 80,110, Range 29,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Saiko Maru
PB Shonan Maru #1
PB Takunan Maru #2
xAK Hakkaisan Maru
xAK Belgium Maru
xAK Erie Maru
xAK Glasgow Maru
xAK Ohio Maru
xAK Pacific Maru
xAK Keihuku Maru
xAK Hiyama Maru
xAK Teiryu Maru
xAK Akasi Maru
xAK Ayato Maru
xAK Bandoeng Maru
xAK Bingo Maru

Allied Ships
DD Chauncey
DD Nicholson

Maximum visibility in Clear Conditions: 30,000 yards
Range closes to 27,000 yards...
CONTACT: Allies radar detects Japanese task force at 27,000 yards
Range increases to 29,000 yards...
Japanese Amphibious TF evades combat


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Sub attack near Waigeo at 83,104

Japanese Ships
SS I-36

Allied Ships
APA President Jackson, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
32 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 2 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS I-36 launches 2 torpedoes at APA President Jackson
Sub escapes detection


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Morning Air attack on TF, near Morotai at 81,103

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid spotted at 21 NM, estimated altitude 14,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 6 minutes

Japanese aircraft
B6N1 Jill x 24
N1K1-J George x 7

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 4

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed

Allied Ships
xAK George W. Julian, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
AM Adroit
xAK George S. Boutwell, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Glenn Curtiss
xAK George Davidson, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK Ina Coolbrith, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires
xAK George Read, Bomb hits 2, heavy fires, heavy damage
xAK George Taylor, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
24 x B6N1 Jill bombing from 9000 feet
Naval Attack: 2 x 250 kg SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
VF-1 with F6F-3 Hellcat (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(4 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 15000.
Raid is overhead

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAK George Taylor


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ternate at 78,102

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 29 NM, estimated altitude 11,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 13 minutes

Japanese aircraft
A6M4 Zero x 45
N1K1-J George x 8
Ki-84a Frank x 47

Allied aircraft
F4F-4 Wildcat x 17
F6F-3 Hellcat x 174
SBD-5 Dauntless x 18
TBF-1 Avenger x 5

Japanese aircraft losses
A6M4 Zero: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F4F-4 Wildcat: 2 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 14 destroyed
F6F-3 Hellcat: 1 destroyed by flak
SBD-5 Dauntless: 11 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 4 destroyed

Japanese Ships
xAP Teika Maru, Bomb hits 1, heavy fires

Aircraft Attacking:
2 x SBD-5 Dauntless releasing from 2000'
Naval Attack: 1 x 1000 lb SAP Bomb

CAP engaged:
Nagasaki-3 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (8 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
8 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 21000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 21000.
Raid is overhead
21st Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (20 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(20 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
20 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 32000 , scrambling fighters between 0 and 32000.
Raid is overhead
202 Ku S-1 with A6M4 Zero (15 airborne, 30 on standby, 0 scrambling)
15 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 15000 , scrambling fighters between 1000 and 15000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 25 minutes
54th Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (9 airborne, 18 on standby, 0 scrambling)
9 plane(s) intercepting now.
Group patrol altitude is 20000 , scrambling fighters between 3000 and 20000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes

Heavy smoke from fires obscuring xAP Teika Maru


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Afternoon Air attack on TF, near Ternate at 77,100

Weather in hex: Partial cloud

Raid detected at 38 NM, estimated altitude 7,000 feet.
Estimated time to target is 17 minutes

Japanese aircraft
N1K1-J George x 7
Ki-84a Frank x 13

Allied aircraft
F6F-3 Hellcat x 28
TBF-1 Avenger x 18

Japanese aircraft losses
N1K1-J George: 1 destroyed
Ki-84a Frank: 1 destroyed

Allied aircraft losses
F6F-3 Hellcat: 4 destroyed
TBF-1 Avenger: 1 destroyed, 2 damaged

Japanese Ships
DD Karuiyuki

Aircraft Attacking:
17 x TBF-1 Avenger launching torpedoes at 200 feet
Naval Attack: 1 x 22in Mk 13 Torpedo

CAP engaged:
Nagasaki-3 Ku S-1 with N1K1-J George (0 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(8 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
7 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 21000 , scrambling fighters between 10000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 30 minutes
21st Sentai with Ki-84a Frank (4 airborne, 0 on standby, 0 scrambling)
(13 plane(s) diverted to support CAP in hex.)
4 plane(s) intercepting now.
9 plane(s) not yet engaged, 0 being recalled, 0 out of immediate contact.
Group patrol altitude is 32000 , scrambling fighters between 4000 and 12000.
Time for all group planes to reach interception is 69 minutes



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Sub attack near Waigeo at 83,104

Japanese Ships
SS I-36

Allied Ships
APA President Jackson, Torpedo hits 1, heavy damage

Allied ground losses:
16 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

SS I-36 launches 2 torpedoes at APA President Jackson
I-36 diving deep ....
Sub escapes detection


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Amphibious Assault at Morotai (80,101)

TF 386 troops unloading over beach at Morotai, 80,101



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Amphibious Assault at Lolobato (79,102)

TF 536 troops unloading over beach at Lolobato, 79,102

Allied ground losses:
20 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 3 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled



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Amphibious Assault at Morotai (80,101)

TF 537 troops unloading over beach at Morotai, 80,101



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Amphibious Assault at Galeia (79,101)

TF 554 troops unloading over beach at Galeia, 79,101



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Amphibious Assault at Lolobato (79,102)

TF 565 troops unloading over beach at Lolobato, 79,102

Allied ground losses:
25 casualties reported
Squads: 1 destroyed, 1 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

13 troops of a USA 41 Rifle Squad lost overboard during unload of 198th Infantry Bn


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Amphibious Assault at Morotai (80,101)

TF 566 troops unloading over beach at Morotai, 80,101



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Invasion Support action off Sorong (82,107)
Defensive Guns engage approaching landing force

3 Coastal gun shots fired in defense.

Allied Ships
LST-350
LST-353
LST-354
LST-23

LST-350 fired at enemy troops
LST-353 fired at enemy troops
LST-354 fired at enemy troops


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Ground combat at Sorong (82,107)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 15096 troops, 254 guns, 309 vehicles, Assault Value = 335

Defending force 155 troops, 7 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 12

Allied adjusted assault: 698

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 698 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Sorong !!!

Combat modifiers
Defender: terrain(+)
Attacker:

Japanese ground losses:
181 casualties reported
Squads: 9 destroyed, 0 disabled
Non Combat: 1 destroyed, 0 disabled
Engineers: 3 destroyed, 0 disabled
Guns lost 8 (8 destroyed, 0 disabled)
Units destroyed 1

Allied ground losses:
73 casualties reported
Squads: 0 destroyed, 7 disabled
Non Combat: 0 destroyed, 2 disabled
Engineers: 0 destroyed, 0 disabled

Assaulting units:
41st Infantry Division
22nd USN Naval Construction Regiment
228th USN Base Force
21st USN Naval Construction Regiment
V US Amphib Corps
113th RN Base Force

Defending units:
1st Raiding Rgt /1


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Ground combat at Waigeo (82,106)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 1020 troops, 24 guns, 25 vehicles, Assault Value = 40

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 20

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 20 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Waigeo !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: leaders(+), leaders(-)

Assaulting units:
4th (Sep) Infantry Regiment


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Ground combat at Sansapor (83,107)

Allied Deliberate attack

Attacking force 906 troops, 8 guns, 24 vehicles, Assault Value = 32

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 9

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 9 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Sansapor !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: fatigue(-)

Assaulting units:
4th (Sep) Infantry Rgt /1
229th USN Base Force


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Ground combat at Gebe (80,105)

Allied Shock attack

Attacking force 484 troops, 4 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 15

Defending force 0 troops, 0 guns, 0 vehicles, Assault Value = 0

Allied adjusted assault: 14

Japanese adjusted defense: 1

Allied assault odds: 14 to 1 (fort level 0)

Allied forces CAPTURE Gebe !!!

Combat modifiers
Attacker: shock(+), disruption(-)

Assaulting units:
1/153rd Infantry Bn /17




< Message edited by Canoerebel -- 7/1/2016 5:26:55 PM >

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 5:32:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		Honestly if the KB was strong enough to go toe to toe he would have come at you already. Beware the feint. If he wants a carrier battle let him come to you. stay on mission and that mission is to get all your troops, supplies and fuel unloaded.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 7/1/2016 6:25:22 PM   
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ORIGINAL: JohnDillworth

Honestly if the KB was strong enough to go toe to toe he would have come at your already. Beware the feint. If he wants a carrier battle let him come to you. stay on mission and that mission is to get all your troops, supplies and fuel unloaded.

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