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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 2/27/2017 11:17:09 PM   
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I agree with you. If he does not do it soon it will just get worse.


No matter what John does it will just get worse. The nature of the beast!

I guess there are degrees.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 2/27/2017 11:49:11 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 2/28/2017 1:41:11 AM   
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Oh yeah, CR... Shanghai!

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 2/28/2017 3:42:06 AM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 2/28/2017 6:26:04 AM   
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Time for bed. I hope to have a turn tomorrow. We missed today. John is still in the reasoning/acceptance stage.


I just gotta say that the "stages" of grief, as they are popularized, are mythical. While accurately named, nobody goes through grief in these steps or stages. It's more a combination of all of them, together, at a high intensity at first that gradually decreases. I suppose "acceptance", as it is laid out in these so-called stages, is simply saying that the grieving has receded to a background level.


I can go find sources for this, but I don't think I need to here .

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 2/28/2017 6:49:52 PM   
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I have been able to rearm Yamato in early May 1942 with Japanese AKE's (which are less capable than most USN versions) in a port too small to even allow the AKE's to dock . With Yamato and the 16 in guns of modern USN BB's you can usually only rearm one magazine at a time, even with multiple AKE's.

Can this be done in stock or is this in one of the mods? Hell of an advantage to Japan if they can reload 18.1" shells from and AKE that can't even dock

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 2/28/2017 6:51:11 PM   
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Status: offline 		John has banged up his ankle pretty bad, necessitating a pause in the game, a visit to the doctor, and hobbling around. He went to work today, so at least he's ambulatory. But he won't be legging out triples anytime soon. I think he'll get started on the game again, either tonight or tomorrow morning. I'm using the downtime to catch up at work.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 1:21:28 PM   
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Status: offline 		John wrote last night that he is feeling much better and will send a turn this morning.

In addition to his real life woes, I think the game situation has affected his morale. Like all of us, when things are going well he looks for any crack to flip a turn. When things aren't going well every situation becomes a reason not to attend to turns.

What I don't know is whether his malaise is general: a distaste for experiencing yet another turned with dozens of uncontested Allied 2EB and 4EB attacks on his troops in Burma and the Philippines. This has been going on for 135 turns now, and it's got to be discouraging.

Or is it specific: has he already run the turn and experienced something unpleasant (I don't think this is the case, because John usually flips a turn quickly when something really bad has happened).

Or is it inchoate: a dawning realization that he's going to have to commit KB bumping up against every fiber in his being urging him not to "Banzai!" his beloved carriers.

He's in a tough spot right now, so I'm trying to give him some space (so don't any readers of John's AAR whisper in his ear that I'm anxious for a turn). He needs space, and he's entitled to some.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:07:17 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:15:56 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:18:54 PM   
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Time for bed. I hope to have a turn tomorrow. We missed today. John is still in the reasoning/acceptance stage.


I just gotta say that the "stages" of grief, as they are popularized, are mythical. While accurately named, nobody goes through grief in these steps or stages. It's more a combination of all of them, together, at a high intensity at first that gradually decreases. I suppose "acceptance", as it is laid out in these so-called stages, is simply saying that the grieving has receded to a background level.


I can go find sources for this, but I don't think I need to here .


No you don't. Elizabeth Kubler-Ross made all that up in her head. She left out the "Irrational Road Rage and Strange Urge to Get in Bar Fights Stage"

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:19:53 PM   
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I have been able to rearm Yamato in early May 1942 with Japanese AKE's (which are less capable than most USN versions) in a port too small to even allow the AKE's to dock . With Yamato and the 16 in guns of modern USN BB's you can usually only rearm one magazine at a time, even with multiple AKE's.

Can this be done in stock or is this in one of the mods? Hell of an advantage to Japan if they can reload 18.1" shells from and AKE that can't even dock



It's DBB. Not sure if it was intentional or not.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:20:19 PM   
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Status: offline 		If that's true, I need to be on my guard when the malaise lifts (or seems to). That might be an indication that he's finally come to grips with the situation and is ready to commit.

He's going to see Death Star moving towards the Big Tent AOO over the next few days. That'll present him with the possibility of seeking battle on their return trip, as they near or pass Mindanao and it's nest of level 7 airfields. He'll also vector in his subs (again).

I'll set some 4EB to hit his Mindanao airfields. How he reacts might reveal something about his mindset.



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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:32:42 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		John sent the turn with this email comment: "The last ZERO rolled off the assembly line in Japan this day.  No more.  Time for something different."

This info, combined with his post a week or two ago in an aircraft research thread on the main page, tells me that he's busily converting his carrier fighter squadrons to the Sam.

Loose lips sink ships.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:34:32 PM   
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Status: offline 		As for sinking ships, there was a sharp and decisive clash at Tarakan:

Day Time Surface Combat, near Tarakan at 67,91, Range 18,000 Yards

Japanese Ships
PB Fumi Maru #3, Shell hits 2, and is sunk
PB Gamitsu Maru #1, Shell hits 3, and is sunk
TK Akatuki Maru, Shell hits 14, and is sunk
TK Azuma Maru #2, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
TK Hishi Maru #2, Shell hits 19, and is sunk
TK Kuremente Maru, Shell hits 11, Torpedo hits 2, and is sunk
TK Kyoko Maru, Shell hits 10, and is sunk
TK Matsumoto Maru, Shell hits 13, and is sunk
TK Nikkoku Maru, Shell hits 13, Torpedo hits 3, and is sunk
TK Shoyo Maru, Shell hits 7, Torpedo hits 1, and is sunk

Allied Ships
DD Hoel
DD Spence
DD Thatcher
DD Hammann

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:36:13 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:40:22 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 4:55:12 PM   
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Ouch, ouch, ouch!!! That has got to be a painful loss for the Japanese.


At this point, not really.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 5:17:45 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		Those TKs were worth two points apiece, the PBs one each.

The horses looked good on the track but didn't pay off at the window.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 5:18:14 PM   
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Ouch, ouch, ouch!!! That has got to be a painful loss for the Japanese.


At this point, not really.



Other than the VPs. But if they were at Tarakan and dock-capable there, those aren't big ones.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 5:32:36 PM   
Canoerebel


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 5:46:14 PM   
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Status: offline 		KB is the most likely thing, yes... but it is still possible it's naval search from those islands. However:

I mostly see DL 10/10 on subs from airborne ASW. That location is too far for almost anything that could be on ASW from Pagan (8) or Marcus (7) since the ASW mission halves the range setting. Unless it is 2E bombers flying at extended range. Do you know what planes he is using for airborne ASW? If he's not using Peggy, nothing the IJAAF has can reach out that far on ASW. For the IJNAF, it would be any of the 2E's.

If you go back and re-watch the replay, you may be able to spot what kind of aircraft was over this sub. None of Jill, Judy, or Grace can reach this far on ASW from those islands, so if you see any of those it's KB for sure.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 5:55:24 PM   
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Burma: The Japanese appear to be withdrawing from Moulmein. Advance elements of the Allied army are a hex to the NE.

Fun House: Death Star is on the move again, posted near Sandakan, North Borneo, and will exit tonight into the Celebes Sea. As you can imagine, subs are a concern.

Mutual attacks at Puerto Princesa and Tacloban result in higher levels of damage (though still relatively light) to the Japanese. At Puerto P. forts drop to 1. Still, my guys need a bit of rest after attacking and defending in the same turn.

Points: The Allies reach 50k for the first time. In points for planes lost on the ground, I trail John by just seven. There's always a huge disparity there in the early years of the game, so this is progress of a sort.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 5:56:41 PM   
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KB is the most likely thing, yes... but it is still possible it's naval search from those islands. However:

I mostly see DL 10/10 on subs from airborne ASW. That location is too far for almost anything that could be on ASW from Pagan (8) or Marcus (7) since the ASW mission halves the range setting. Unless it is 2E bombers flying at extended range. Do you know what planes he is using for airborne ASW? If he's not using Peggy, nothing the IJAAF has can reach out that far on ASW. For the IJNAF, it would be any of the 2E's.

If you go back and re-watch the replay, you may be able to spot what kind of aircraft was over this sub. None of Jill, Judy, or Grace can reach this far on ASW from those islands, so if you see any of those it's KB for sure.


I'm pretty sure it wasn't a carrier type plane. I did see at least one Peggy sighting out there somewhere, but I'll have to scour to find it again.

But based on the fact that KB was confirmed out there ten days ago, there is reason to believe KB could be there.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 6:04:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		I'm at a loss for what John is trying to do....unless he's trailing the coats of the KB in an attempt of misdirection.

It's just weird.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 6:12:12 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

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KB is the most likely thing, yes... but it is still possible it's naval search from those islands. However:

I mostly see DL 10/10 on subs from airborne ASW. That location is too far for almost anything that could be on ASW from Pagan (8) or Marcus (7) since the ASW mission halves the range setting. Unless it is 2E bombers flying at extended range. Do you know what planes he is using for airborne ASW? If he's not using Peggy, nothing the IJAAF has can reach out that far on ASW. For the IJNAF, it would be any of the 2E's.

If you go back and re-watch the replay, you may be able to spot what kind of aircraft was over this sub. None of Jill, Judy, or Grace can reach this far on ASW from those islands, so if you see any of those it's KB for sure.


I'm pretty sure it wasn't a carrier type plane. I did see at least one Peggy sighting out there somewhere, but I'll have to scour to find it again.

But based on the fact that KB was confirmed out there ten days ago, there is reason to believe KB could be there.

No need to watch the replay if the Op Report specifies what type or aircraft spotted your sub.

Re: Manila AF, the damage report on rollover is always the "Airport Services", not the runways, and the runways repair first. The runway damage is also what determines if aircraft can take off or not. Of course, if he uses the AF with 90% services damage he will not get much servicing of aircraft and air strike coordination will be heavily fractured.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 6:25:57 PM   
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KB is the most likely thing, yes... but it is still possible it's naval search from those islands. However:

I mostly see DL 10/10 on subs from airborne ASW. That location is too far for almost anything that could be on ASW from Pagan (8) or Marcus (7) since the ASW mission halves the range setting. Unless it is 2E bombers flying at extended range. Do you know what planes he is using for airborne ASW? If he's not using Peggy, nothing the IJAAF has can reach out that far on ASW. For the IJNAF, it would be any of the 2E's.

If you go back and re-watch the replay, you may be able to spot what kind of aircraft was over this sub. None of Jill, Judy, or Grace can reach this far on ASW from those islands, so if you see any of those it's KB for sure.


Might be in the ops report. Edit: Oops, beat me to it.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 6:41:42 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you keep pressing his fuel sources I bet he will get local shortages soon.
He burned helluvalot fuel.
He has more ships than historical.
You even kept a fuel center, occupied in your Sumatra campaign.
He lost the Burma fuel.

His stocks simply cant be ample.

He has a gazillion of those small tankers (if he didnt stop merchant ship production) but he will feel the loss of fuel.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 7:16:53 PM   
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If you keep pressing his fuel sources I bet he will get local shortages soon.
He burned helluvalot fuel.
He has more ships than historical.
You even kept a fuel center, occupied in your Sumatra campaign.
He lost the Burma fuel.

His stocks simply cant be ample.

He has a gazillion of those small tankers (if he didnt stop merchant ship production) but he will feel the loss of fuel.

John might have local fuel shortages but Dan's prefers his subs with the fleet so I don't think he has sunk a lot of merchant tonnage. I don't know Johns HI resources but I be he is not hurting for oil or resources. not so sure about fuel. As you say, there are a million of these tiny tankers. It's not the loss of these little tankers but now John probably has to increase escorts. I doubt he has the warships to dedicate but maybe some old Cl's

BTW Dan, when is the last time you has a bonafide 100% sighting of the KB?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 3/1/2017 7:40:25 PM   
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Suggestive of KB's location, but not definitive, of course.





Subs? That's a good place to have a IJN submarine picket line.


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