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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 6:52:36 AM   
Lokasenna


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This information hit me hard.

Tell me it's not as bad as it looks. Please.





Cry me a river!

You only get like 3 months of D25 Jugs production. That is why I chastised you for using them on escort duty. Would that I be so lucky!

You do get 30-40 British Jugs however a month and then that is augmented by another 40 or so Jugs II; you also get wonderful Spitfires (which you can turn into beasts if you try). There are some decent New Zealand Corsairs.

Corsairs are super tough and you should have and get lots plus their delivery vehicle make them very formidable.

You really don't have much to complain about, considering the air losses over the last week.

I think I recall your Jugs losses are pretty modest, you may simply have too many squadrons of them flying?


With P-51Bs as necessary. And Corsairs. And Hellcats. And Brits - lots of Brits.

And the P-51D when it comes online.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 3:13:58 PM   
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Status: offline 		The F4U1-D comes online in September, two months from now. It's production is +80 over the -1A, which helps a lot. Beyond that, filling the void left by the P-47D25's discontinuation will require a lot of much smaller contributions from good models (like the Brit and Aussie Spits and Jugs and Corsairs) until the P-51D comes available in November.

I'm currently using several big Hellcat squadrons as LBA, so in September those will begin converting Corsairs.

Shore bombardments of airfields and unescorted 4EB raids will also play a role in suppressing enemy fighters.

The Jugs will carry a heavy load, but I'll adjust their use to lengthen availability in decent numbers, ensuring there's a core available for key work and really hard jobs.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 3:33:49 PM   
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Status: offline 		If you look closely, the -1a does not end production until the -4 arrives. At least that is how it works in my BTS game and stock scenario 2 game.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 6:35:54 PM   
Canoerebel


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Indochina: The Allies take Tavoy. That particular army is worn out, as is the opposition. My guys will follow the retreating enemy towards Mergui, but I think this vector is finished until the Allied army gets a lot of rest.

The main show is in Thailand, where the bigger Allied army is advancing in good order. It looks like there will be a cross-river assault in a week or two.

The real question is how John allocates his forces. Does he concentrate to defend one vector or divide between Malaya, Indochina and China? Events in a few weeks may help swing the vote.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 6:48:12 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 6:57:28 PM   
Canoerebel


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Fun House and Peep Show: Details on map. A lot going on. Always.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 6:59:43 PM   
Canoerebel


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Did Japan lose another 120 aircraft to your 20 this day?


Not today. John lost a few Sams and Franceses while trying to hit shipping at Ternate, but not enough to warm the heart. It was a fairly quiet day in the air.





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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 7:05:51 PM   
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ORIGINAL: Canoerebel

The F4U1-D comes online in September, two months from now. It's production is +80 over the -1A, which helps a lot. Beyond that, filling the void left by the P-47D25's discontinuation will require a lot of much smaller contributions from good models (like the Brit and Aussie Spits and Jugs and Corsairs) until the P-51D comes available in November.

I'm currently using several big Hellcat squadrons as LBA, so in September those will begin converting Corsairs.

Shore bombardments of airfields and unescorted 4EB raids will also play a role in suppressing enemy fighters.

The Jugs will carry a heavy load, but I'll adjust their use to lengthen availability in decent numbers, ensuring there's a core available for key work and really hard jobs.



You really just have to plan in advance and use the jugs like they are arriving at 50 planes per month rather than 175. You do get 40 British jugs that start production about the same time. That and the new corsairs make up for it. However, note that they nerfed that corsair. It now does not surpass 400 MPH in speed. Good but not as good as it was in stock. Actually since I pretty much stop using British squadrons equipped with the Hurricane II by mid 1943 there are a ton of well trained British pilots waiting in the wings. spits, jugs and corsairs mean about 90 British planes per month. Just have to put them to work. Not to mention that New Zealand starts to get a healthy supply of corsairs around this time. Never could understand how New Zealand qualified for such a big bite of corsairs at such an early date in the war, but not complaining.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 7:59:00 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why send your SCTFs all the way back to Legaspi? Fuel should have flowed to Aparri by now? Or is the port trashed?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/29/2017 8:29:16 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		Aparri is a level one port with no fuel.

Manila just got 3k fuel today, from LSTs that brought some back from Miri.

It'll take awhile to get everything working in good order in the new Luzon bases.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 2:54:41 AM   
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Fun House: 93rd Div. will cross the river and shock attack west of Aparri tomorrow. 4EB worked over Bataan airfield and supply. Two USA divisions will attack tomorrow (probing, nothing more).

Peep Show: Death Star entered the East China Sea without incident. Two slow BBs will bombard Taihoku tomorrow. This should warm Lowpe's heart.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 10:08:50 AM   
HansBolter


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I only play solitaire but I do restrict myself with most of the typical HRs I see competitive players using.
I have always interpreted the "Pay full PPs for crossing restricted borders" HR to include paying for moving restricted Indian units across the India/Burma border. Is this not the way you are playing it? You mentioned getting ready to buy out an Indian unit that has been resting in Shwebo.

You mentioned being short on fuel in the DS and needing to return to Legaspi. Are you not maintaining a mobile fueling station by keeping a or several large TF(s) of AOs on station with your DS? Isn't the DS operating with CVE TFs in it? Isn't it already moving slowly enough to accommodate operating with and providing cover for oiler TFs? The Americans have a sufficient number of them to be able to operate a shuttle keeping at least 100k fuel at sea with the DS at most if not all times. Takesa bit of effort to maintain, but worth it.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 11:28:49 AM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		1. Our borders House Rule allowed restricted units in Assam, eventually defined as up to the line of hexes from Akyab through Shwebo.

2. Death Star was returning to port at Legaspi, escorting a herd in from the DEI, when I diverted her to coast Luzon to interrupt John's Dunkirk operation. DS and all combat TFs had good fuel levels, but I added a couple of other TFs that were low on fuel. I detached all the merchant TFs to Legpasi, including oilers, since the combat ships weren't going far. But new opportunities kept arising, further north, as I discovered islands vacant or weakly occupied, including Orchid way up by Formosa. And then Mini KB's kept sprouting up far, far away from the area, giving more freedom of movement.

Most of the TFs have plenty of fuel, so those can refuel the ones short on fuel. But the constant fuel drain is something I'm monitoring since fuel is a valuable and relatively scarce resource.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 11:59:27 AM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		A quick fuel census shows that fuel stores in and near theater are adequate for coming ops:

1. 230k - TKs and AOs in the Phillipines
2. 10k - at port in the PI
3. 90k - at port in the eastern DEI.
4. 46k (and producing 2k per day) - at Miri.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 8:41:45 PM   
Canoerebel


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Peep Show: West Virginia and Tennessee bombard Taihoku, Formosa, to promising effect. This was mainly to judge the strength of enemy defenses an the effect of shore bombardments.

Fun House: B-29s raid Singers shipping, scoring two more meager hits on damaged BB Nagato while suffering at least 35 losses to enemy CAP and Ops. Making good the losses used up my reserves, so I can't afford any more raids like that one.






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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 8:53:43 PM   
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B-29s raid Singers shipping, scoring two more meager hits on damaged BB Nagato while suffering at least 35 losses to enemy CAP and Ops. Making good the losses used up my reserves, so I can't afford any more raids like that one.
no, I suppose not. As you noted you are a bit tight on fighters. Once you have bases in range it's time to rack up points by bombing at night. Lets see if nigh-fighters were part of the empires plan

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 9:36:39 PM   
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Fun House: B-29s raid Singers shipping, scoring two more meager hits on damaged BB Nagato while suffering at least 35 losses to enemy CAP and Ops



35 of #?
Daylight... escorted ?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 9:55:46 PM   
Canoerebel


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Status: offline 		Here's the combat report, which notes 10 Superforts downed, but based upon replacements required, the actual total was about 35.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 9:55:53 PM   
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Status: offline 		Why would you fly precious B-29s into a base you can not sweep and you know has fighters on CAP?

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 9:59:54 PM   
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Status: offline 		Bear in mind that this is the first time I've used Superforts since about 2009. I have precious little late-game experience, so what you gents know well I may not know at all.

My experience thus far in the game has been that 4EB (B24s) have been effective in flying missions without escort. In this case, I've been monitoring John's CAP over Singers and noted that he had drawn them down considerably. I thought he might be focusing on Death Star up around Formosa and that the B29s could handle the raid solo. And I knew he had lots of good ships already damaged in port. I did the same thing two weeks ago with very good results.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 10:15:37 PM   
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Status: offline 		Well, it was a mistake, but it could have been worse.

If you're serious about Singers, I would have gone in at night (though I know that is an issue with HR, etc). Oh well, just a lesson learned.




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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 10:24:44 PM   
Canoerebel


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 10:55:52 PM   
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Status: offline 		You're way ahead of history. Hold the B-29s for economy strikes at night. Pivot your focus from his navy--which has to run gauntlets to get anywhere now--to his fuel, and once northern PI AFs are ready to the Home I. industry you can reach. Strat VPs come a lot easier than BB VPs.

I have only very rarely flown my B-29s in daylight in summer 1944. There it was Burma and I had many LRCAP fighters over the target. They are real hangar queens. I've tried, with mixed success, to use them more to hit Sumatra fuel, and Tarakan. At night they're fast, and their gun rating is better than the B-24. In day, alone? Shudder.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 10:59:05 PM   
Canoerebel


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I've had a lot of success using the B-29s from level-9 fields against ground targets in Luzon. That particular recipe didn't seem to tucker them out. In rare cases, like Manila, that use was of such great importance that using them that way was appropriate, I think.

I'm looking for the right moment to let John know I'll commence night bombing soon. I don't want to do it right after taking a lick, as John might take that as vindictive pissyness; and I don't want to do it right after a big victory against him, as that would weaken his morale at a tender moment. But the right time will come soon now.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 11:05:28 PM   
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 11:15:56 PM   
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It's a southern gentleman gesture for you to give him these victories; have to keep his spirits up before you destroy him.


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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 4/30/2017 11:21:04 PM   
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Status: offline 		I think you should start soon but just a couple of squadrons a night for a while, then start ramping up. I think starting with a 1000 aircraft raid the first night might freak him out.

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/1/2017 1:46:09 AM   
Lowpe


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Status: offline 		Tough to see that bombardment not nail any planes.

Did you sweep Taihoku too? Get those high SR planes flying from damaged runways. Although that looks pretty far to fly unless your islands are up and running already or from the Deathstar.

Be neat if you can deploy PT boats from the forward islands.

Look at Formosa...and think ahead a little. Because you grabbed those islands, Formosa is in super precarious position.

You will be able to mass surface bombardment fleets at those Islands you have under heavy cap. From there you will be able to shut down every runway on Formosa. Those SR 3 fighters won't have a place to call home.

You kind of want to hit all the islands at once...and then sweep them, starting with the smaller bases first. Rinse and repeat, and you won't really have to use your bombers or deathstar.

Do it right, and you will really rack up the plane kills on Formosa without using your B29 or really any bomber.

Of course you need fuel, and AKEs, and more fuel.
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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/1/2017 2:28:22 AM   
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Status: offline 		For what its worth, I think that Bullwinkle is right: Save them B-29s for economy wrecking! I also think that BillBrown has a point about ramping up night bombing slowly. While I love the idea of a 1000 bomber raid (did happen a few times in ETO in 1942 before RAF decided that they required too much planning and wen't very efficient), I think that such a raid might be a bit much (at least until mid-45).

Would the game even be able to handle the sheer number of planes involved in such a massive raid? IIRC Greyjoy's AAR against Radar had some problems with that, but its been a while since I read it (great stuff for a person who wants to learn the game)

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RE: The Good The Bad & The Indifferent - 5/1/2017 2:30:00 AM   
Lowpe


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Would the game even be able to handle the sheer number of planes involved in such a massive raid? IIRC Greyjoy's AAR against Radar had some problems with that, but its been a while since I read it (great stuff for a person who wants to learn the game)


Air model has been fixed since then.

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