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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/4/2013 8:17:00 PM

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What do you mean agree ?? I got a double barrel shotgun blast from THEPROS accusing me of being a lazy redneck (Sillyflower that is my interpretation of our e-mail) while Belphegor was casting some pagan spell. Sillyflower implied that I wasn't playing the game, just letting MT and Pelton play via proxy. (MT, Pelton I'm not getting your e-mails, Come on !!)

I'm working on Turn 30. Will post the carnage of T29 later.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/4/2013 10:29:23 PM

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Ignore him, Gentle Reader. He's as lazy as he is a real redneck and you can find his denials of the latter in earlier posts.

The evidence of his recent European ancestry is in the sophistication of his trash talk.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/4/2013 10:32:20 PM

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The evidence of his recent European ancestry is in the sophistication of his trash talk.

Hmmmm

On reflection, I fear I was wrong and Hitman may be purebred (?inbred) red of neck after all.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/6/2013 10:13:30 PM

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Nine panzer divisions died in a pocket or the 9th panzer division died? Which is it Sillyflower? Enquiring minds want to know.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/6/2013 10:37:30 PM

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I cannot imagine an Axis player mentally surviving the loss of 9 Pz in one pocket. Therefore I conclude it was the 9th Pz on its own.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/6/2013 11:18:06 PM

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Sadly Michael assumed correctly. Have corrected the poor post

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/6/2013 11:32:02 PM

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As I could not find any pictures of a wolf on a tank, I revert simply to lowering the tone of the AAR whilst increasing the leg count

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/7/2013 9:35:23 PM

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/7/2013 10:42:01 PM

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TURN 29 ... TURN 29 ... TURN 29 ... TURN 29

The chase continues as I flee to the Polish border .... Stats

By the way, Sillyflower, as I have thought about our last e-mail exchange, the problem with the issue are one's unconscious thoughts and prejudices (not used negatively) mixed with one's experiences and self interpretation(s) of them. If I were being philosophical, one's a prori and a posteriori. Ultimately any true discussion of the issue would require a impossible personal purging of both influences. Is this how a lawyer would help to close the issue (our discussion) ???

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Total blizzard casualties ..390 K

Average Infantry morale tad below 75

The 3 army group screen shots...

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/7/2013 10:44:50 PM

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/7/2013 10:45:58 PM

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Progress is slow for Sillyflower AGN. With 4 more turns to Feb, I'm more comfortable. One interesting observation is that THEPROS don't pile up units behind the front line as you see in most AAR's. My recon didn't stretch far back, but you see what I'm talking about. ??? Probably to build morale in spent/new units, ???

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/7/2013 10:50:37 PM

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Remember, I'm taking the ultra-conservative approach to blizzard and it seems if I had protected against the paradrops as I'm now doing and didn't have the "bad" retreats, I've could have ended the blizzard with very few div losses. When Sillyflower remarked that he was close to Smolensk, I was shocked, Yep !!! Definitely I might have overdone the pullback, but this is my first blizzard and have outlined a safe ultra-conservative approach. MT is shuddering at my play in giving up so much space. Well, we all have to learn.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/7/2013 10:59:16 PM

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The key to my retreat is a continuous 3 deep line (where able) consisting of ,,, 1st row divsions/ mountain regiments, 2nd row allies, German regiments, 3 rd row HQ and other noncombat units.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/7/2013 11:19:43 PM

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When I look at your situation in comparison to mine against Kamil it gives me a much needed morale boost. Thanks Hitman

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/8/2013 2:44:50 AM

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MT my opinion of blizzard now is that to stand and fight in Dec is suicidal (except extreme AGN.) Modified CV of a single German infantry division(80% TOE) in open terrain averages 6-8 and will be torn apart by hasties. The issue is if you do not keep a 2 hex distance from Soviet forces, isolation will likely occur. And even with that, hexes at the apex of a hex row can be often times be very vulnerable even with a 2 hex separation. I cringed when I saw in your AAR (Kamil's) 3 units stacked' defensively on turn 26 (December) in front of Moscow with the risk of disruption if retreated onto occupied hexes.

Starting Jan the modified CV of the same German infantry division almost doubles (in my "tests") but still very vulnerable to direct attacks.

I think a short coming in the Russian blizzard play I've observed (even THEPROS) is a lack of sggressiveness on the second to last snow turn. Engaging the German front, tempting the Germans with easy attacks on that turn can put a monkey wrench in a planned December retreat .

I wish I had your tactical skills. HEY I'M a HERO (3 stars) NOW. NOT !!!!!

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/8/2013 4:41:58 AM

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Blizzard in December is crazy. But you can resist in some places if you are prepared to use all your troops. None can be spared for holidays back in the rear. Certainly fighting in January and beyond is more than feasible. Again you need powerful reserves to hit back. Plus a large pool of AP for leader and units reassignments. Its a risky venture for sure and the result is very bloody either way. I just want it to be over really. Are you motorising stragglers so you can escape the torrent?

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/8/2013 8:56:54 AM

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I think a short coming in the Russian blizzard play I've observed (even THEPROS) is a lack of sggressiveness on the second to last snow turn. Engaging the German front, tempting the Germans with easy attacks on that turn can put a monkey wrench in a planned December retreat .

I'm not a great fan of 'rules' of the 'you must kill X or take Y or do Z attacks' that some promote. This is a wargame not an MMO.

There are a number of (potential or actual downsides for the Russian in what you suggest.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/8/2013 4:15:04 PM

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Sillyflower, you know that's my style, to "fixate" on a issue and learn how to adjust later. Like my comment on MT's tactical skills, you have remarkable strategic sense of timing, allocation and preparation I'm learning a lot from. Your're in a class far above me and your chiding is well received. But never-the-less an aggressive second to last winter turn by the Russians (which I have never seen) could be a killer in some situations. My point is that I have never seen it (and would be scared if I faced it.) I think many stud Soviet players would agree (as you seemed to partially assent with.)

Much what I say is to stir the pot, so to speak.

MT I appreciate your comments and insight. We seem to concur in key blizzard issues from the German point of view. I have not needed the technique of motorizing stragglersI as I have universally gotten 10 or more MP's when I needed them (to keep two hex distance ... actually you only need seven, but with other terrain impediments.. not so ...and it surprisingly happens.. I mean you don't plan for it.)).

One reason for this might have been due to me making all div outside 25 MP supply on the first blizzard turn to have +40% supply via air resupply. ??? I don't know ??? As Pelton emphasized repeatedly to me the first 4 turns of blizzard is crucial. I had the MP's to keep the crucial 2 hex separation.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/8/2013 7:20:08 PM

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If you had arranged your affairs so badly that a full on offensive against you in the 2nd turn of snow would be worth it, I would have suggested that you were not worth playing against. Don't think we did not think about it. It would have meant weakening our offensive forces to no commensurate gain.

There were useful steps we took in that turn which you may or may not have noticed. I am not going to tell you what they were now as I've forgotten what they were.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/8/2013 8:32:39 PM

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Remember, I started a pull back on turn 2 but what you say , none-the-less, is true. But by tempting the Germans to get a few easy kills or isolate units by advancing aggressively on turn 2, the Ruskies could reap big benefits.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/8/2013 10:17:25 PM

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only if you are an idiot, and we know the answer to that.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/8/2013 10:50:33 PM

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Glad to see that the Mississippi annual American Medical Association conference is not as formal as it used to be.

Here's a challenge -which 6 redneck features do you have? Lets see.

1 I think you may have one but I'm not sure so 0.5 point
2 not from the photos of your garden 0 pts
3 from your real photo which also shows a full set of teeth 0 pts
4 no idea so give you benefit of doubt 1 pt
5 not consistent with the your job and your extremely high patient satisfaction ratings 0pts
6 must have as you need the points 1 pt
7 alligator boots more likely 1pt
8 you need the points so lets say bud it is 1pt
8 again (do you get an extra point for lacking basic numeracy?) give you benefit of doubt again so 1pt
9 right no. of children but not the descriptor so 0.5 pt

9 Last but not least, we come to Mrs Hitman. You only have 5 pts so far and you need 1 more. Given your utter devotion to her, I would expect 0 pts for this. If I'm wrong then, for being so besotted with someone matching that description, I would give you 9/9 redneck points just for this.

Clearly, I've got something wrong somewhere. Maybe other readers know more than I do

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/9/2013 1:16:25 AM

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So I will fess up on my real score of REDNECK. I will be honest.

First the Mississippi State (stress State) Medical Association has disassociated itself from the AMA (the national one you referred to) because of it's fawning to the policies of our amateur-in-chief (all lower case, appropriately .... I wish the USA had a queen) and is the strongest lobbying group in the state and rated in the top five of state medical societies in the USA. All FYI.

Back to my REDNECK score
1) I have no love for dogs. My wife has a Yorkie, a "gift" from my eldest daughter, and my son a massive bulldog/pit bull who is as stupid as he is stunningly gorgeous- a pure coal black coat and more muscular than any dog I have ever seen. I score an unwanted 1,

2)The nicest thing (and only) "thing" my wife and I take pride in (and needed to raise 6 kids.) zippo

3) Zippo. They're not pretty, but no cavities thru 58 years (and I was not breast fed !!!)

4)Zippo. It's my only toy. It's fast (170 mph .. not k) and German. :) Of course !!!

5)The first no, but the second occasionally yes. 0.25 points

6) Since my wife threw away all, I mean all, of my bachelor clothes by the end of our first wedded month, no. The memory of it still *isses me off. Sorry honey.

7) Zero. I despise cowboy boots. Big time.

8) The last 5 years I'm a Baptist fallen from grace. +1

9) I ashamed to say that I love NASCAR, don't dislike rodeos, and would like to snag a catfish manually. +1

10) Six kids, three who are presently on my *hit list. Sorry honey. 0.5 points

11) I married a woman that has far more wonderful qualities than I deserve, but not hirsute. Occasionally I do need permission (not a license) to wrestle with her, so to speak.

Sillyflower it is really 11 points so 4.75/11 I fail. Thank goodness.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/9/2013 8:13:05 AM

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I was only 0.25 of a point out which is not bad. I suppose that score makes you a pinkneck. However, a Yorkie isn't a proper dog but more akin to a long-haired rat so may be you don't really deserve such a high score.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/24/2013 10:32:15 AM

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Sadly for all lovers of trash talk, this game has come to an end because Hitman could not commit to more than I turn pw and Sean and I were no longer enjoying a game going at that speed, or the idea of this going on for the next 3 years or so.

We otherwise strongly commend Dr H as an opponent and a friend.

In the meantime the Pros are going into semi-retirement with just the game vs Disgruntled Vet continuing. Sean has just moved home and job so there is now 7 hours time difference between us and he's living in an area which seems to not to care about internet connectivity. This makes it much harder to communicate with each other as we can no longer speak except at w'ends.

In any event I am suffering from WiTE fatigue after having being playing solidly for almost 3 years now and still with only 2 GCs that have got as far as '43 (once as German and once as Russian) and only a handful past the first blizzard. I hope and trust that WITE 2 will result in longer games becoming the norm rather than the exception.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 8/25/2013 10:54:34 PM

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Sorry to hear this. It was an enjoyable AAR.

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 9/2/2013 11:20:23 PM

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Thanks Michael.

1 last picture - victorious Soviet soldiers returning from Berlin and guess which is me

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RE: HITMAN202 versus THEP RO's Sean is welcomed ... Si... - 5/11/2014 3:56:54 PM

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The last secret revealed

I have at last found the Pretty Polly poster referred to in the AAR . The real SF is the 1 on the right

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