Slitherine

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ORIGINAL: Michael T

Here is a simple test anyone can do. It takes 5 minutes.

Start the Road to Leningrad Scenario using the latest patch with morale settings 100. Change nothing.
Get the 11th ID, stack it with some other ID to make sure of your wins. Win 6 battles. It starts with 90 morale and after 6 wins is still 90 morale.

Repeat test, but this time with morale settings at 101.
End morale 98.

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ORIGINAL: Michael T

Once again in order to muddy the water we have numerous propaganda posts from you Pelton.

Getting Elite units to 99 morale like the SS, GD or the 78th ID is and has always been easy. It is a given

Sure by getting some great leaders in charge you can get the odd regular INF XX up to the high 90's in morale.

But even so it is not a given. It is probability based and harder to achieve as you get further above the NM. I refer again to the 1st Pz XX in your own example. It took 64 wins to get to 98 morale. Sure some will take less wins, some more.

BUT once you set morale to 101 or more getting to 99 morale with any unit is GUARANTIED AND way way way FASTER!!

Not only is it guaranteed, it is possible to do without great leaders. AND it is a PRACTICAL possibility to get a very large portion of your Army up in the very high 90's and keep them there, not only in 1941 but also 1942. Maybe even 1943 and beyond. I have not tested that yet.

But not only the Germans, all the minor allies can get at least to 75, maybe more, I stopped at 75 as it was becoming ludicrous.

And you, the all knowing seer of morale must have known this. Yet you still advocated a 101 morale setting when all along you must have known its a Axis 'I win button'

Do you dare refute that a Axis morale setting of 101 is not a Axis 'I win button'?

You know it, yet you deliberately preyed on unsuspecting opponents to guarantee a few more wins on your pathetic win loss record, which I note is entirely inaccurate.

I will never take anything you say again for granted, which sadly I did when you advocated that setting morale to 105 was a fair balance to the current Soviet morale issues in 1941. You have openly misrepresented the facts and the true effects of a morale setting of more than 100.

You sir, lack the spirit of fair play.

People should run their own tests and compare the morale increases achieved between using 100 morale and 101. Its huge. It far outweighs any advantage the Reds have under the latest morale changes.

I sincerely doubt any fair minded person could disagree with my assertions.

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ORIGINAL: morvael

I have posted in the other thread, that connects to your discussion here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3370904

I believe morale 101 is the point at which you get free 1 point morale bump after each combat, no matter unit's relative morale to it's default NM. It becomes just a matter of scoring enough wins to get to the max (99).

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ORIGINAL: STEF78

On my opinion the game is slightly balanced in favor of the russians, like chess is slightly balanced infavor of the whites.

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ORIGINAL: Pelton

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ORIGINAL: morvael

I have posted in the other thread, that connects to your discussion here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3370904

I believe morale 101 is the point at which you get free 1 point morale bump after each combat, no matter unit's relative morale to it's default NM. It becomes just a matter of scoring enough wins to get to the max (99).

You 3 always seem to know the nuts and bolts of the game better then most, thks for the answer to the issue.

Basicly why 2by3 freaks out over the smallest change to any of the systems.

What us bones heads call the snowball effect. One small change has HUGE effects over 212 turns. The players that see the small effects like to morale can use them and have a big advantage over the hole 212 turns.

Players that ignore the tweaks fall behind the curve so to speak.

The morale tweak's effect on morale at the 100 setting is huge if you know how to take full advantage of the change. I believe that's why we are seeing huge German armies come 42 now.

Thanks for the info.

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Players like Michael T and Pelton are the sort players who thrive on predictability; they like to solve the puzzle and seem to enjoy the challenge of developing a fool-proof method winning as quickly as possible; they have little tolerance for frustrating disruptions of their precise plans. This is how they enjoy the game, and they are obviously well-served by WITE

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ORIGINAL: sillyflower

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ORIGINAL: Pelton

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ORIGINAL: morvael

I have posted in the other thread, that connects to your discussion here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3370904

I believe morale 101 is the point at which you get free 1 point morale bump after each combat, no matter unit's relative morale to it's default NM. It becomes just a matter of scoring enough wins to get to the max (99).

You 3 always seem to know the nuts and bolts of the game better then most, thks for the answer to the issue.

Basicly why 2by3 freaks out over the smallest change to any of the systems.

What us bones heads call the snowball effect. One small change has HUGE effects over 212 turns. The players that see the small effects like to morale can use them and have a big advantage over the hole 212 turns.

Players that ignore the tweaks fall behind the curve so to speak.

The morale tweak's effect on morale at the 100 setting is huge if you know how to take full advantage of the change. I believe that's why we are seeing huge German armies come 42 now.

Thanks for the info.

Pelton -people will always come up occasionally with odd results in scientific experiments. This is why scientists don't accept those results are valid ( as opposed to statistical freak or wishful thinking) until others have replicated them. You get results that others have not yet been able to replicate with axis morale at 100, but they can if morale is 101.

As far as I know the only way of getting morale higher than NM and other known bonuses is to win combats. You say you have found a way of increasing morale that no one else knows about. On that basis, it is going to be very hard for people to accept what you say unless you tell people how to replicate your feat without increasing the morale stings to above 100. The only other way I can think of is to mod the game by increasing the axis NMs which presumably would produce the same sort of results. I have no idea whether that would be possible for a player though.

So my strong recommendation to you is to come clean over your apparent secret exploit or whatever you call it if you want people to believe you get your results playing with the same settings as the rest of us.

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ORIGINAL: Pelton

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ORIGINAL: sillyflower

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ORIGINAL: Pelton

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ORIGINAL: morvael

I have posted in the other thread, that connects to your discussion here: http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=3370904

I believe morale 101 is the point at which you get free 1 point morale bump after each combat, no matter unit's relative morale to it's default NM. It becomes just a matter of scoring enough wins to get to the max (99).

You 3 always seem to know the nuts and bolts of the game better then most, thks for the answer to the issue.

Basicly why 2by3 freaks out over the smallest change to any of the systems.

What us bones heads call the snowball effect. One small change has HUGE effects over 212 turns. The players that see the small effects like to morale can use them and have a big advantage over the hole 212 turns.

Players that ignore the tweaks fall behind the curve so to speak.

The morale tweak's effect on morale at the 100 setting is huge if you know how to take full advantage of the change. I believe that's why we are seeing huge German armies come 42 now.

Thanks for the info.

Pelton -people will always come up occasionally with odd results in scientific experiments. This is why scientists don't accept those results are valid ( as opposed to statistical freak or wishful thinking) until others have replicated them. You get results that others have not yet been able to replicate with axis morale at 100, but they can if morale is 101.

As far as I know the only way of getting morale higher than NM and other known bonuses is to win combats. You say you have found a way of increasing morale that no one else knows about. On that basis, it is going to be very hard for people to accept what you say unless you tell people how to replicate your feat without increasing the morale stings to above 100. The only other way I can think of is to mod the game by increasing the axis NMs which presumably would produce the same sort of results. I have no idea whether that would be possible for a player though.

So my strong recommendation to you is to come clean over your apparent secret exploit or whatever you call it if you want people to believe you get your results playing with the same settings as the rest of us.

What are you talking about?

I posted the data read the data.

Adding in fairytales is simply odd.

I have no idea what your talking about?

I posted data after the combat wins.

If you find another way to raise morale about the NM limit let me know also, because I have no idea what your talking about.

Kind a lost as to what your even talking about?

I will quote MT sillyfollower:

I admit I do put a lot of hours in to milking the supply (Morale) system for every drop of fuel (morale) I can find. But it is not cheating the system. It's just knowledge of how a system works and optimizing it. I do nothing that is not forbidden by the rulebook.

In other words put in the time me and MT have and figure it out for yourself

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ORIGINAL: Pelton



I will quote MT sillyfollower:

I admit I do put a lot of hours in to milking the supply (Morale) system for every drop of fuel (morale) I can find. But it is not cheating the system. It's just knowledge of how a system works and optimizing it. I do nothing that is not forbidden by the rulebook.

In other words put in the time me and MT have and figure it out for yourself

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ORIGINAL: Flaviusx

Sillyflower, strictly speaking, nothing in science is ever "true." It's all provisional. Science doesn't do truth.

Yours in epistemological nitpicking, etc, and with apologies to Karl Popper.