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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/23/2013 1:00:52 PM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/23/2013 1:47:19 PM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/23/2013 2:06:36 PM   
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Status: offline 		Eddie - This is what the specs are for Charlotte.

John - I think this CVL has too many 6" guns and maybe too many 5" mounts. Maybe have 2 triple 6" up front and then some 5" in rear and right side.




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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/23/2013 6:37:46 PM   
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Status: offline 		I assume Charlotte is supposed to represent the original 1930 flight deck cruiser concept described by Norman Friedman:

http://books.google.com/books?id=-UT7MDTeKj8C&pg=PA179#v=onepage&q=flight%20deck%20cruiser&f=false

If that is the case, 9 6" and 8 5" guns are what the Navy wanted on it.

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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/23/2013 8:27:06 PM   
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John - I think this CVL has too many 6" guns and maybe too many 5" mounts.


Something must be wrong -- a triple 5" mount with as much armor as the 6" turrets, but on one side only?

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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/23/2013 11:13:24 PM   
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I assume Charlotte is supposed to represent the original 1930 flight deck cruiser concept described by Norman Friedman:

http://books.google.com/books?id=-UT7MDTeKj8C&pg=PA179#v=onepage&q=flight%20deck%20cruiser&f=false

If that is the case, 9 6" and 8 5" guns are what the Navy wanted on it.


Thanks VonMoltke! You have nailed it on the head.

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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/23/2013 11:14:29 PM   
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Eddie - This is what the specs are for Charlotte.

John - I think this CVL has too many 6" guns and maybe too many 5" mounts. Maybe have 2 triple 6" up front and then some 5" in rear and right side.





Thanks for Posting this Michael. I see all sorts of corrections I need to make.


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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/24/2013 1:27:33 PM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/24/2013 4:45:19 PM   
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Flight deck cruiser, 1931

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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/24/2013 5:22:31 PM   
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Status: offline 		Hi Oldman, whatever John, Micheal and their group decide on I'll try and give them a visual.

Whatever ship I'm working on I build a folder for it. I have the picture you posted in the folder. It's similar to this from a neat Alan Zimm article I stumbled across.



The flight deck looks a little short for operating 1940 ish aircraft so believe the 1939 flight deck length to be more viable.

I had a free morning I didn't expect so made good progress. It's the RA teams art so whatever they want I'll make alterations. No problem.









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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/24/2013 11:15:47 PM   
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Status: offline 		Damn. LOOKS Great. I'll take it. Can you do both sil and shil?

Gary just sent a whole bunch of stuff on extra art he has been doing. LOTS of nice stuff there as well.


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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/24/2013 11:17:21 PM   
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Hi Oldman, whatever John, Micheal and their group decide on I'll try and give them a visual.

Whatever ship I'm working on I build a folder for it. I have the picture you posted in the folder. It's similar to this from a neat Alan Zimm article I stumbled across.



The flight deck looks a little short for operating 1940 ish aircraft so believe the 1939 flight deck length to be more viable.

I had a free morning I didn't expect so made good progress. It's the RA teams art so whatever they want I'll make alterations. No problem.








The actual 1930-1931 design has the flightdeck at an angle. First serious look at the angled flightdeck. One wouldn't be able to see it with ship art.

Three 6" triple turrets in front and then those 5" guns. Pretty stout opponent if stumbled onto I bet!

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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/25/2013 12:20:49 AM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/25/2013 12:42:02 AM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/25/2013 1:11:58 AM   
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Hi Oldman, whatever John, Micheal and their group decide on I'll try and give them a visual.

Whatever ship I'm working on I build a folder for it. I have the picture you posted in the folder. It's similar to this from a neat Alan Zimm article I stumbled across.



The flight deck looks a little short for operating 1940 ish aircraft so believe the 1939 flight deck length to be more viable.

I had a free morning I didn't expect so made good progress. It's the RA teams art so whatever they want I'll make alterations. No problem.










This is excellent. Just send this over to me. Gary Childress sent me everything else and YOU GUYS ROCK!


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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/25/2013 8:36:41 AM   
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It seems you still have the wrong armor value for the 1st 5in turrent (Wpn3) and the ammo value is also not the same for Wpn 6 compared to other 5in guns.

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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/25/2013 12:43:04 PM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/25/2013 2:28:52 PM   
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Hi John,

It seems you still have the wrong armor value for the 1st 5in turrent (Wpn3) and the ammo value is also not the same for Wpn 6 compared to other 5in guns.


DUH. I am an idiot. Fixed.

The 5" guns are open just like the 5" on an American CV.


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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/26/2013 2:30:40 AM   
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Status: offline 		Here you go CLV 1939 plans . I hope you or anyone else that uses it enjoys.




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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/26/2013 1:21:33 PM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/26/2013 1:23:37 PM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/26/2013 7:53:10 PM   
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Even if it isn't perfect Eddie, its better than the emptiness that is there now.


Hi Micheal , I was under the impression that John got what he needed from Gary , if not let me know and I'll do the best I can to get you gents what you request..

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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/27/2013 4:01:56 AM   
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Here you go CLV 1939 plans . I hope you or anyone else that uses it enjoys.





I DO want it! You always do excellent work and I greatly appreciate the time and effort.


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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/27/2013 4:48:19 AM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/27/2013 9:21:48 PM   
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This is a call for anymore commentary from the Playtesters? I would like to make the Mod available by next Monday.


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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/28/2013 10:57:35 PM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 8/28/2013 11:04:11 PM   
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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 9/1/2013 10:10:26 AM   
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The Algerie was kinda flimsy. They had no tonnage for armour at all.


juts looking a refernce i have says

Cruiser; Algerie

"armour was extensive and totaled 2657 tons as opposed to 1553 tons with the Duplex, inboard of the main belt was an anti-torpedo bulkhead, extending from the bottom to the armoured deck and enclosing the end barbettes, with space between divided into oil fuel and coal bunkers for additional protection"

Navies of the second world war, The French Navy, Vol 1,2


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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 9/2/2013 1:24:33 AM   
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Armour:
4 1/3" Vert. Side.
3" Deck
Internal bulges, with hull thickness of 1 1/2"
(Total weight of Armour 2,000 tons.)


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RE: Playtesting RA 6.0 - 9/2/2013 2:11:31 AM   
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The Algerie was kinda flimsy. They had no tonnage for armour at all.


juts looking a refernce i have says

Cruiser; Algerie

"armour was extensive and totaled 2657 tons as opposed to 1553 tons with the Duplex, inboard of the main belt was an anti-torpedo bulkhead, extending from the bottom to the armoured deck and enclosing the end barbettes, with space between divided into oil fuel and coal bunkers for additional protection"

Navies of the second world war, The French Navy, Vol 1,2



Here's from Conway's:

quote:

Authorized in 1930, this vessel was the last and best French 'treaty' cruiser, and one of the most outstanding examples of the type in any navy. A radical departure from the widely criticized 'tin-clad' heavy cruisers, she was built in response to the Italian Zara Class. Armor weight totaled 2657t (compared with 1553t in the preceding Dupleix) and it was better distributed; emphasis was placed on protection against aerial bombs and underwater attach, and extensive torpedo bulkhead being separated from the main belt by old and coal bunkers.


Of course saying that it was the "best 'treaty' cruiser" is maybe not saying a whole lot.

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