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TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/8/2018 7:13:11 PM

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All - I just updated the database on a scenario that I've been working on for months and got an error message I've never received before, which is attached.

A little trial-and-error has made clear that the issue is that certain units - e.g., RKR Moskva - have had their unit ID change.

Is there any way of addressing this without manually replacing each and every unit affected by this error? Am I doing something wrong that's creating a more laborious situation?

Appreciate any input. Thanks!

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/8/2018 11:21:11 PM

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I suspect This problem is happning to you CMANO, take a look this thread for fix your problem. I had similar error message, when I had this problem. Because of it tring to update to older version of DB, the error happening.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/tm.asp?m=4523341

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Some coast guard units - 11/8/2018 11:43:03 PM

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Some coast guard units,
This is a great pages for checking JCG(Japan Coast Guard)'s air units.
AW139 and S-76C/D, Bell212, Bell412EP, KingAir 200, KingAir 350 and Falcon 900 is very common equipment for JCG so plz add them at least. There are some other units, too.
(Now JCG in CMANO only has Dash8 and AS332.
http://www.j-hangarspace.jp/japan-coast-guard-where-are-they-now

Tsugaru Class PLH (JCG'S Patrol vessile with Heli-pad, Hangar)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tsugaru-class_patrol_vessel

Bizan-class and Parola-class
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parola-class_patrol_boat
(Bizan-class has 20mm JM61 valcan with Remote Firing Control System)

Aso-class
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aso-class_patrol_vessel

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Japanese ASW Weapons - 11/8/2018 11:54:17 PM

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Import of "2016 Japanese ministery of defence supply)
https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1F3qM9jf3p-5XviAasozaMR_vaFAXmBJyBrk3CUOn37A/edit?usp=sharing (This is big sheet, I'll put picture Below)

At No.849 There is HQS-13G-1 DIFAR (there is name of 「ダイファー」means DIFAR. the HQS-12 DIFAR was copy of SSQ-53, HQS-13G is copy of SSQ-53F or something)
At No.852 There is HQS-33D DICASS (Easy, HQS-33B was AN/SSQ-62, so one of variant of them)
can confirm.

And here is sheet of 2011 for P-X(=now days P-1) at 4th page there are also same sonobuyoi.
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/others/service/kanshi_koritsu/h23/pdf/r-sheet/0265.pdf

Other HQS numbers are for thermo (sea temperature?) research sonobuoy so DO NOT involve to direct combat.
This is for aircrafts sonobuoy. and This is the only buoy can confirm in 2011 so all other sonobuoies should replaced by this two.(I mean HQS-12 and HQS-33B)

HQS-33C DIFAR confirmed at this sheet
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/procurement/pdf/chotatsu_zisseki_h19.pdf
this is the data of 2007(平成19年）so HQS-33C replaced by HQS-33D during 2007-2011.
http://usi.kir.jp/CIA/KanoyaAB_Museum/USI_cia_JMSDF.html　 (picture of HQS-33C, this page wrote mistaken as HQS-33CB but you can check the HQS-33C)

HQS-43 high-performance(=Advanced) DIFAR
Number 51, platform unkown. procurement starts 2016.
https://全国法人データベース.com/companies/7010401006126
This is the data of Oki, you also can check the HQS-13 G-1 from this page. (It said "HQS-43 高機能ダイファー"=HQS-43 high-performance DIFAR)
https://www.oki.com/ (the page of the company, Oki/ NO useful info but just in case)

Bottom Mines procurement data from Japanese government(2014)
Mk25B/C, Mk36C,Mk52,Mk55(Y/Z?),Mk57 (Launching platform, P-3C and P-1)
there are also Type83 and K-number mines but unknown launching platforms
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/bukei/t2/nyuusatsu/K-28-6100-0055.pdf

Mk52 or Mk55 naval mine with P-3C
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CreEQZbUEAAuiA2.jpg
http://www.rjcj-airshow.sakura.ne.jp/2008hhe/jpg/p3c/p_30.jpg
https://blogs.yahoo.co.jp/gala8372/GALLERY/show_image_v2.html?id=https%3A%2F%2Fblog-001.west.edge.storage-yahoo.jp%2Fres%2Fblog-2d-9a%2Fgala8372%2Ffolder%2F473399%2F07%2F13896207%2Fimg_1%3F1429999442&i=1

P-3C + 150kg anti-submarine bomb
http://ese7.up.n.seesaa.net/ese7/image/DSCF7199.JPG?d=a1
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6OcgEiiC5as (YouTube: at 40min31sec, P-3C use it)

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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 11/9/2018 12:03:17 AM

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OP-3C
Imagery intelligence(IMINT) variant
remove all ASW function (sonobuoy and MAD) and add LOROP and SLAR for P-3C
http://rightwing.sakura.ne.jp/equipment/jmsdf/aviation/op-3/op-3.html (Sorry there were only Japanese reference/ you can check LOROP picture here)

SLAR name confirmed as HPQ-101C(2014-/ was HPQ-101B till then)
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/bukei/t2/nyuusatsu/K-28-6100-0048.pdf

P-1
For a Max-ASuW loadout P-1 can bring 8 or 10 AGM-84D/ASM-1C/AGM-65F.
P-1 has weapon bay similar as P-3C so it can carry 8 torpedoes.
http://www.heinkel.jp/images/mpa_store_loading.jpg

P-1's HPS-106 AESA radar has 3panel(front and side) AT 9min10sec, I added picture below.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tqvQCZy9IcY&t=378s

P-1's HPS-106 AESA Radar has Air-Search mode (picture from RIAT)
https://flic.kr/p/w26D9m

Another source
http://www.mod.go.jp/msdf/bukei/y6/nyuusatsu/K-24-5500-0010.pdf
page 6 and 7 there is Pylon for torpedoes, Mines, ASM. And Wing pylon W1-W8.
picture of W5(Wing pylon5)
[image]https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/1/11/JMSDF_P-1%285506%29_Pylon_in_Iwakuni_Air_Base_20140914.JPG [/image]

Sekiryu launched decoy torpedo by mistake
https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2018/05/25/national/maritime-self-defense-force-submarine-fires-torpedo-decoy-mistake/#.W-PVwpP0mUk (English)
https://www.jiji.com/jc/article?k=2018052400938&g=soc (Japanese)

According to Japanese wikipedia, From SS508 Sekiryu, they add Torpedo Counter Measures :TCM. and this is the system they launched by mistake.
http://www.mod.go.jp/e/d_budget/pdf/240301.pdf (P5, EN reference)
The size of decoy is 15cm and the torpedo tube Soryu class has is 533mm so they should have the tube launcher for the system.
http://www.mod.go.jp/j/approach/hyouka/seisaku/results/24/jigo/sankou/01.pdf (The NAE,Noise Augmentation Emitter works as ADC. And MOD,mobile decoy moves like a torpedo, kind of MOSS.)

SH-60K (full load out)
7.62mm MG(right side only)
Type 97 torpedo
AGM-114
https://twitter.com/suama_evo9gt/status/625182487006740480

ADDITIONAL SOURCES

324mm HOS303 (for DDH-181Hyuga class and DD115 Akizuki-class and Asahi-class DD)

(you can check name of HOS303 with 97式(type 97) and Mk46MOD5)

07 VLA (Japanese new VLA system) with DD 117 Suzutsuki (akizuki-class)

MOD(mobile decoy) launcher

(launch Model1 mobile decoy, allow preset speed and depth for lure enemy torpedo)

AND MOD is right side ONLY (image of Akizuki-class)

Mobile Decoy)*右舷のみ(=Right side only) This is the similar system of the MOD of Soyu-Class has, kind of nixie but they just don't towed or MOSS)

Jammer launcher (launch Floating Acoustic Jammer)

(it's face back side and this panel explains this launcher rotate to 130℃ each side)

Additional reference for SniperXR for F-2A/B
https://www.airforce-technology.com/uncategorised/newslockheed-to-equip-japans-f-2-fleet-with-sniper-atp-4645474/

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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 11/11/2018 3:35:37 AM

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F-15J has J/ASW-10 link system
https://www.modelbouwkrikke.nl/contents/nl/p55711_tamiya-f-15-eagle.html (a toy shopping site but has info in English)
http://tealgroup.com/images/TGCTOC/sample-wmcab2.pdf (English Info)
According to these two information, J/ASW-10 is receinving only, and from E-2C.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15J_(%E8%88%AA%E7%A9%BA%E6%A9%9F)#%E4%BB%95%E6%A7%98 (Japanese wiki, You can tarnslate)

F-2 has J/ASW-20 datalink system (No detailed information)
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-2_(%E8%88%AA%E7%A9%BA%E6%A9%9F)#%E4%BB%95%E6%A7%98 (Jaoanese info, bit down there)

F-15J J-MSIP has a link-16 system.
http://www.mod.go.jp/e/publ/w_paper/pdf/2009/24Part2_Chapter2_Sec4.pdf (5th Page of the pdf)

http://www.mod.go.jp/e/d_budget/pdf/270414.pdf (9th page of PDF. The picture showing F-15J and E-767 has connected with Link 16)

And you also can see the F-2 has the JDCS(F) (Japan self defense force Digital CommunicationSystem (for fighters))
This is the Link system between all JSDF forces which can't mount Link16 system.
Transmission of the information is limited than Link16 but it is smaller so F-2A/B equip this for link with F-15J and E-767. (F-15J and E-767 also has JDCS system)

In addition, Japan now has F-15MJ(modernized J = J-MSIP) and F-15SJ (standard J = Pre-MSHIP)
F-15SJ has no MSIP changing because it too old design to do it, but still, it has JDCS(F) for datalink.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/F-15J_(%E8%88%AA%E7%A9%BA%E6%A9%9F)#Pre-MSIP%E6%A9%9F%E3%81%AE%E8%BF%91%E4%BB%A3%E5%8C%96%E6%94%B9%E4%BF%AE (Sorry only a Japanese info)

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RE: Japanese ASW Weapons - 11/11/2018 4:08:26 AM

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About an AAM-4B Type-99 Air to Air missiles.
AAM-4B'S JARG-1's recever has two channel. That's because AAM-4's Datalink can hands off to wingman Fighter to the F-15J or F-2 can going defensitive.

quote:

なお、中間誘導は僚機に引き継がせることも可能である。

Means "In addtion, It is also possible to let the wingman take over the intermediate guidance".

http://eaglet.skr.jp/MILITARY/AAM-4.html

https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/99%E5%BC%8F%E7%A9%BA%E5%AF%BE%E7%A9%BA%E8%AA%98%E5%B0%8E%E5%BC%BE (the info is also on Japanese wiki)

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/11/2018 5:05:52 AM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: gpotter511

All - I just updated the database on a scenario that I've been working on for months and got an error message I've never received before, which is attached.

A little trial-and-error has made clear that the issue is that certain units - e.g., RKR Moskva - have had their unit ID change.

Is there any way of addressing this without manually replacing each and every unit affected by this error? Am I doing something wrong that's creating a more laborious situation?

Appreciate any input. Thanks!

That definitely shouldn't be happening, please post this on the tech support forum with the savegame

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/11/2018 10:25:27 PM

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Just spotted a glaring oversight:

Generic passenger loadouts for all USAF, USMC, US Army and US Navy cargo capable aircraft. The idea is that these aircraft could be used to support non-combatant evacuation (NEO) missions and the victory conditions would be trapped by noting changes in the inventory of passengers at the origin and destination bases.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/11/2018 10:40:48 PM

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J-20 internal bays loadout needs adjustment from 6 to 4 missiles

See image from Zhuhai airshow

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24841/chinas-j-20-stealth-fighter-stuns-by-brandishing-full-load-of-missiles-at-zhuhai-air-show

Loadout size clearers than my english!

Thanks!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/11/2018 10:48:22 PM

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Please add CH-4 and CH-3 drones for Algeria

https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1057282051043397638

https://www.janes.com/article/84158/algeria-unveils-chinese-uavs

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/11/2018 10:50:05 PM

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Please Adds Egyptian Wing Loong

https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/1051881769392369671

https://www.janes.com/article/83919/egypt-shows-wing-loong-uav

Should bees in UAV business this day.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/11/2018 11:00:49 PM

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Yemen Burkan-H1 is definitely Iranian Qiam (already in databases)

https://twitter.com/JosephHDempsey/status/943230753420267520

Maybe adds Yemen version?

Thanks!

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/11/2018 11:07:13 PM

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Small name fix for Chinese Wing Long 2

https://www.janes.com/article/84349/airshow-china-2018-wing-loong-ii-armed-reconnaissance-uav-enters-plaaf-service

It is designated as GJ-2 in PLAAF service. IOC this year.

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/12/2018 12:24:35 AM

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Fix to China Shenzhen Type 51B Destroyer #3041

Swap 4 Quad YJ-83 for 2 Quad YJ-12 Picture clear

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-type-051b-c-class-destroyers.t2076/page-38

Sensor changes

https://www.sinodefenceforum.com/plan-type-051b-c-class-destroyers.t2076/page-32

Main gun is the original twin 100mm. It wasn't upgraded. It on the 1999 version ship. #784

Thank

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/12/2018 2:09:21 AM

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Japanese Type-12 SSM has GPS-midguidance. GPS-update the INS system.

https://thediplomat.com/2018/03/japan-mulls-deployment-of-anti-ship-missiles-on-okinawa/
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Type_12_Surface-to-Ship_Missile

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RE: Thread for DB3000 database problems, updates or issues - 11/12/2018 3:27:42 AM

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C-2 has Boom refueling just like F-15.
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Drwh8Q9U0AAapsz.jpg
https://twitter.com/MIHO_AB/status/1061760952876453888

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/12/2018 8:40:07 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SeaQueen

Just spotted a glaring oversight:

Generic passenger loadouts for all USAF, USMC, US Army and US Navy cargo capable aircraft. The idea is that these aircraft could be used to support non-combatant evacuation (NEO) missions and the victory conditions would be trapped by noting changes in the inventory of passengers at the origin and destination bases.

In theory, wouldn't that be applicable to also LCACs? I seem to remember when there was trouble in Beirut about a decade ago, US (and allied) civilians got evac'ed that way (on the USS Trenton IIRC)

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/12/2018 9:00:40 PM

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quote:

ORIGINAL: SeaQueen

Just spotted a glaring oversight:

Generic passenger loadouts for all USAF, USMC, US Army and US Navy cargo capable aircraft. The idea is that these aircraft could be used to support non-combatant evacuation (NEO) missions and the victory conditions would be trapped by noting changes in the inventory of passengers at the origin and destination bases.

Great suggestion, will definitely look into this. It's going to be a big job though!

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/13/2018 1:07:01 AM

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Critical Asahi-class problems, at DB3K Ver.476

JMSDF Asahi-class
Remove J/OPS-10 and J/OPS-20C Radar, Asahi-class has J/OPS-48 faced array Radar.
OPS-48 Radar is ship-mounted version of HPS-106 AESA Radar on P-1.
Surface search I band radar. As I wrote that is face array,so there are 4 of them.

The Military research magazine in Japan is the source of this wiki.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E3%81%82%E3%81%95%E3%81%B2%E5%9E%8B%E8%AD%B7%E8%A1%9B%E8%89%A6_(2%E4%BB%A3) (Japanese Wiki)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Asahi-class_destroyer (English wiki, you still can check name of OPS-48, not OPS-10 and OPS-20C)

Quote form wiki, from Picture's underline part.

quote:

これはP-1哨戒機のHPS-106をもとに艦載化したもので、Xバンドのアクティブ・フェーズド・アレイ（AESA）式の固定アンテナを4面使用する。その名の通り、単なる対水上捜索レーダーではなく、潜望鏡を即座に探知・類別できるシステムとされており、敵潜水艦の潜望鏡の露頂を抑制することで、魚雷攻撃の精度を低下させることも期待されている。= (Tanslated by google)This is shipped based on the P-1 patrol aircraft HPS-106 and uses four fixed face antennas of X band active phased array (AESA) type. As its name suggests, it is not merely a counter-water search radar but a system that allows immediate detection and categorization of a periscope, and it is also expected to lower the accuracy of torpedo attack by suppressing the outcrop of an enemy submarine periscope

Should I put more HOS-303 with Type-97, 07VLA, MOD and FAJ systems informations? I already put the info but I want to know I need more informations to add or not.

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/13/2018 11:40:50 PM

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GQM-163A Coyote
http://www.northropgrumman.com/Capabilities/SupersonicMissileTargets/Documents/Coyote_Factsheet.pdf

We already have BQM-74s, so I think GQM-163 (supersonic) target drone is worth to add.

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/14/2018 3:04:36 AM

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Additional Reference for OPS-48 AESA Radar for Asahi-class (picture below)
There is name OPS-48 at number 6 in picture is the OPS-48 as it showing.
OPS-48 is explained as Periscope finder, so can find a small targets.

Type 97(GRX-4) should have 1990 early technology seeker.
Type 97's 97 means starts service in 1997.

Type 12(GRX-5) should has the late 2000's seeker due to staring development from 2005.
This has same size and weights so 38% of the parts are same. But has improved seeker and Magnetic scanner. and has more maneuverability.
https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/12%E5%BC%8F%E9%AD%9A%E9%9B%B7 (Japanese wiki)
http://www.mod.go.jp/atla/research/dts2012/R2-3p.pdf (Page 15)

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/16/2018 7:26:33 PM

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Probable errata:

HQ-9 Batallion in both versions has a missile defence value of 1, per comparison, even the oldest S-300PT has a value of 5 and, while not the most powerful model of the S-300 family, HQ-9 is far more capable than a first gen Grumble.

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RE: TECHNICAL SUPPORT Q: Database Issues - 11/16/2018 8:00:39 PM

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Any chance we can get DBID# 2394 A-90 Orlyonok Ekranoplan enabled for Cargo.

Here is the Wiki with a 28,000Kg capacity which matches the current DB cargo rating: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A-90_Orlyonok

Acording to this site: https://www.militaryfactory.com/aircraft/detail.asp?aircraft_id=1251

it could carry 150 troops. I cannot find the interior cargo dimentions but the overall size was 190.6 ft long and 53.4 ft high

The photo at this link gives some scale with trucks etc: https://www.jetphotos.com/photo/6035783

This photo should also help:

And a much better reference that discusses payload here: 3x BTR or 1x BTR + 1x PT-76 or up to 200 troops

https://www.naval-encyclopedia.com/coldwar/soviet/a-90-orlyonok

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RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/16/2018 9:55:19 PM

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Suggested amendment to Project 22160. Vasily Bykov.
1.Change main gun to AK-176MA.
2.12.7mm guns amidships. 12.7 mm Kord machine gun 6P59 on the mounting 6U16 has limited AA capability. http://www.zid.ru/eng/products/47/detail/1019
3.Add 2 x 7m boat capacity from amidships and 1 x 11m boat from stern dock.
4.Remove Club/Kalibr container if 11m boat dock added.
5.Aďd 2 x PAL navigational radars.
6.None of the construction shots or the film footage offers any pictorial evidence of any GIBKA mount. Consider removing it. Although there are numerous sources quoting SA-24 being carried are these just hand held?

http://www.russiadefence.net/t6657p175-project-22160-bykov-class-patrol-ship

Also please add 14.5mm MTPU mount with anti air capability please.
MTPU is Used extensively in Russian Navy on Admiral Gorshkov, etc.
http://zid.ru/eng/products/47/detail/235

https://bmpd.livejournal.com/2467332.html
"Until 2020, the Arsenal should supply the Russian Navy with 22 modernized AK-176MA artillery systems. The first sample has already been sent to the Zelenodolsk Plant named after A.M. Gorky for the lead ship of the project 22160 "Vasily Bykov".
Main gun of the lead ship Bykov has a 76.2mm AK-176MA not the 57mm A-220.
A-220 appears to be a proposal for the future or export.
Not sure if AK-176MA is in DB3K but also going to arm Karakurt class per the above article and 22 units purchased by Russian Navy.
Apart from a reduced RCS cupola the new 76.2mm gun appears to have a marginally improved rate of fire, range and accuracy.

Thanks for considering.
K

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/17/2018 7:04:17 PM

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Could you set up the IL-76MD DBID # 2685 to drop cargo please. Currently some IL-76's can but the more modern ones cannot.

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/18/2018 8:59:30 AM

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Newest news for JASDF Gifu AB festival. Additional informations of F-2.

https://twitter.com/Fly_Together_4u/status/1063927209017012224

JASDF tested BLU-57 bomb rack for 2xAAM-4, 4xJDAM, 2x60gal tank, 1x300gal tank.

https://twitter.com/bb_hachi/status/1063919937431887872

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/18/2018 5:21:27 PM

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Removed.

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/19/2018 2:34:53 AM

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Minor note, but the Su-57 Frazor designation is only a rumour and doesn't make sense; all NATO codenames are real English dictionary words and you won't find "Frazor" in one.

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RE: RE Project 22160 Vasily Bykov - 11/19/2018 5:15:26 AM

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Not a criticism of anyone wanting to consider using the term "Frazor" as a place holder in the DB but there's not a single official source using the non word
"Frazor" in relation to the Su-57 OR PAK-FA.
No hits from a search of NATO or US DoD websites.
This seems to be an unsubstantiated Twitter rumour given too much credibility by a single print article which notably put the term "Frazor" in quotes but failed to reference the source.
Would be happy for someone to prove me wrong with a credible source though.
K

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