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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 4/20/2019 8:56:55 PM

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I would like to request some updates of the three Hydra 70mm rocket variants in the database (#1929, #3175, #2597).

Currently, all three have the warhead: "#305 - Hydra 70mm Rocket (8 DP)." This damage value (8 DP) is the same as the 17.6# Hellfire warhead even though Hydra only has a 9.3# warhead. While I do not know exactly how damage values are calculated, I would suggest reducing it to around 4 DP. This is an extremely important change for antisurface scenarios as the current Hydra damage value means that it is unrealistically effective at sinking ships.

I would also suggest that the current Hydra APKWS entry (#2597) have the following changes:
Platforms: Rotary-wing only
Range: 0.8 - 2.7 nm (current 0.2 - 2.0 nm)
Launch Speed: 0 - 150 knots (current n/a)
Weight: 15.8 kg (current 7 kg)
(Source: https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/download-en-us/20190219214640/1434608478635.pdf)

Finally, there should be a new entry for a fixed-wing only version of APKWS with the following differences:
Range: 1.1 - 5.9 nm
Launch Altitude: 0 - 25,000 feet
Launch Speed: 180 - 550 knots
(Source: https://www.baesystems.com/en-us/download-en-us/20190219215607/1434608478508.pdf)

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 4/21/2019 4:46:46 AM

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Request an update
Victory-class corvette
on 2012 the ship receive an upgrade of removing the capabilities to launch torpedoes in exchange for using Scaneagle UAV

Photo:

sources based on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Victory-class_corvette
https://navaltoday.com/2013/12/30/singapore-revamps-its-victory-class-corvettes/
http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2013/05/makeover-for-missile-corvettes.html
https://www.naval-technology.com/projects/victory-class-missile-corvettes-singapore/
https://navaltoday.com/2012/07/11/rsn-orders-scaneagle-uas-for-its-missile-corvettes/
http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2015/05/rsn-to-increase-use-of-unmanned-systems.html
http://defense-studies.blogspot.com/2015/07/singapore-and-us-navies-successfully.html

many thanks for CMANO

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 4/22/2019 4:29:27 AM

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Request an unit turn into hypothetical platform
#251 403 Nagarangsang
Was and never in Indonesian service althought indeed it was offer but it never went into the Navy services
Sources:
https://www.indomiliter.com/ks-type-206-nyaris-jadi-arsenal-korps-hiu-kencana-tni-al/
https://fmkv1.wordpress.com/2012/01/17/profil-kapal-selam-u206-hampir-menjadi-inventaris-tni-al/ (which the title read "it almost a part on indonesia inventory")
https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daftar_kapal_perang_TNI-AL
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_Indonesian_Navy_ships

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 4/22/2019 4:47:44 AM

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Correction
i see a diffrences from the payload as you could see below

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RE: RUSSIAN EW UNITS - 4/22/2019 6:50:20 AM

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The current LCS database entries need numerous changes. Although I understand this will likely be a lot of work, the current entries do not accurately reflect the ship's capabilities and LCS is a vital part of the future USN. Here are my suggestions starting with the simplest.

1. None of the five LCS database entries (#1839, #2594, #3089, #1840, #2595) currently have magazines for their 4x 12.7mm/50 MG.

2. The Independence-class LCS (#1840, #2595) should not have the Nulka decoy system. Although there are indeed internet sources claiming this, the official Navy Fact file makes no mention of it and photographs show no Nulka installed. (sources: https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=587&ct=2 and https://www.navy.mil/management/photodb/photos/180718-N-N0101-998.JPG)

3. The entry "LCS 17 Indianapolis" (#3089) is dated 2017, although she was not launched until 2018 and will likely not commissioned until 2020.

4. The three "2017" entries (#2594, #3089, #2595) are all equipped with the LCS Hellfire Mission Module. This module has only just completed testing and is not expected to be operational until 2019-2020. (source: https://news.usni.org/2019/01/25/lcs-mission-package-office-focused-on-test-fielding-ioc-dates-continue-to-slip - 6th paragraph just below the 2nd picture)

5. Those same three entries (#2594, #3089, #2595) are also equipped with the CAPTAS 4 Sonar. Although CAPTAS 4 was considered, the sonar that was finally chosen was the Raytheon DART. This sonar is also still in testing. (source: https://www.navy.mil/submit/display.asp?story_id=107995)

6. I would suggest replacing the three "2017" entries with 6 separate "2020" entries - Freedom Base, Freedom SUW, Freedom ASW, Independence Base, Independence SUW, and Independence ASW (the 3 Freedom entries should include the TRS-4D radar and SeaRAM launcher from the current "LCS 17" entry as these are planned to be backfit across the class). The reason for this change is that the current entries have LCS carrying everything simultaneously, when the systems are actually split across different mission packages:

Base:
Radar, SeaRAM, 57mm gun, 12.7mm guns

SUW:
Hellfire Module, 2x 30mm guns, Helicopter Magazine with Hellfire (and probably APKWS).
(source: https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=437&ct=2)

ASW:
DART Sonar, TB-37 Sonar, Nixie Towed Decoy, Helicopter Magazine with Mk54 Torpedoes
(source: https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_display.asp?cid=2100&tid=412&ct=2)

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Minor error in DB3000 Weapon_403 SA-10a 5V55K - 4/24/2019 2:23:49 AM

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The database shows DB3000 Weapon_403 SA-10a (5V55K) as a TVM (track via missile) guidance system. This is incorrect. Unlike subsequent versions of the SA-10 system, the 5V55K/S-300PT system uses command guidance. see https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Grumble-Gargoyle.html, which reads "The first generation of the 5V55K missile was command link guided, following the design philosophy of the S-75/SA-2 and S-125/SA-3, with a cited range of 25 nautical miles and altitude limits between 80 ft and 80,000 ft." THe command guidance in the S-300PT system is also confirmed by Jane's Land Warfare Platforms: Artillery & Air Defense, "S-300P", 17 May 2016; and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S-300_missile_system at footnote 12,

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/25/2019 1:39:58 AM

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Battleship Novorossiysk (1949-1955).
Just... please think about that glorious ship, used as a training ship in the Soviet Navy (1949-55).
It was completed in 1914 for the Kingdom of Italy as "Giulio Cesare". Recommissioned/modified in 1937 (it served in Royal Italian Navy in WWII). Then it was sell to Soviet Union in 1949 to pay part of Italian War Debts towards Soviet Union.
The ship was armed with a main battery of thirteen 305 mm/46 Model 1909 guns in three triple-gun turret and two twin-gun turrets. The secondary battery comprised eighteen 120 mm (4.7 in) guns, all mounted the sides of the hull. Giulio Cesare was also armed with fourteen 76 mm (3.0 in) guns. She was equipped with three submerged 450 mm (17.7 in) torpedo tubes. The belt armor was 250 mm thick.
After the end of World War I, the number of 50-caliber 76 mm guns was reduced to 13, mounted on the turret tops, and six new 40-caliber 76 mm anti-aircraft (AA) guns were installed abreast the aft funnel. In addition two license-built 2-pounder AA guns were mounted on the forecastle deck.
When she was sell to Soviet Union all Italian light AA guns were replaced by eighteen 37 mm 70-K AA guns in six twin mounts and six singles. Soviet Union wants to replace her with Soviet built 305 mm guns, but the ship sunk in 1955.

It would be great in some mine sweep scenario in the early cold war era: it was sunk by a German WWII mine in Sevastopol in 1955, with the tragical loss of 608 sailors. But some uncontrolled rumors says that a group of italian navy veteran frogmen sabotaged the ship for retaliation: and this is great for a Scenario! If the developers will add this Ship (and perhaps some post wwII italian MAS vehicles) I promise I'll create a scenario about this highly fictional interpretation

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Italian_battleship_Giulio_Cesare

https://www.revolvy.com/page/Italian-battleship-Giulio-Cesare

Goodbye!

This belongs in the CWDB thread I think

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/25/2019 2:00:42 AM

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I'm not sure if this has been posted already, but as far as I am aware the Blackburn Buccaneer should be carrier capable. At the moment it is not.

The DB3k only includes RAF (And SAAF) Buccaneers since the RN retired theirs in 1978 with the decomissioning of Ark Royal.

Like other carrier capable aircraft in the DB3k, the tag is only applied if the operating service/country routinely uses them aboard carriers; e.g. Australian F/A-18s are not marked as carrier capable but USN F/A-18s are.

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RE: Requests for DB3000 entries - 4/25/2019 2:29:05 AM

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And for the bump, extend the range of ASM-1C. I really need it, and affect a lot of scenario.
http://www.matrixgames.com/forums/fb.asp?m=4564862
Thanks

Sorry, when you have 0ver 150 individual requests to your name it's hard to keep track of things you really need versus something that just popped into your head.

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RE: Requests for DB3000 entries - 4/25/2019 4:11:10 AM

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Added requests up to this point

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RE: Requests for DB3000 entries - 4/25/2019 4:28:35 AM

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Ok
I got it and I will.
But the ASM-1C and AAM-4B CEC for F-15DJ and F-2A/B is biggest problem.
I'll choose important requests from my head and Japanese community for later request.

Should I make list for which is important and which can ignored from previous request?
I can choose 20 out of 150.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/25/2019 7:52:16 AM

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ORIGINAL: mikmyk

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ORIGINAL: Pancor

Hello it looks like

the weapon #1152 -- MIM-104B Patriot "PAC-1" has "anti stand-off jammer" (ASOJ) designed to seek out and destroy ECM emitters.
so it would the properties would have Home on Jam (HOJ) thanks.

Reference
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MIM-104_Patriot#MIM-104B_.28PAC-1.29

Need more detailed sources than Wikipedia. Will research when I have time but if you could find them it will speed up implementation if the capability proves to exist. Thanks!

Mike

Mike

I wonder if these two sources might help confirm the MIM-104B SOJ capabilty?

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/library/policy/army/fm/3-01-11/ch5.htm

"5-23. To counter the long-range ECM threat the MIM-104B, or standoff jammer countermeasures (SOJC) missile, was fielded in the late 1980's. The guidance and navigation hardware was modified to allow the SOJC missile to fly a lofted trajectory to the jamming source and seek out the strongest emitter during the terminal phase of missile flight. The SOJC missile can fly three times longer than the standard missile without the uplink/downlink between the RS and missile. The SOJC missile retains the same performance against ABT and TBM as the standard missile.

http://www.designation-systems.net/dusrm/m-104.html

"The MIM-104B, fielded in the late 1980s, is also known as the SOJC (Standoff Jammer Countermeasures) missile and uses a modified guidance and navigation hardware. The MIM-104B adds a surface-to-surface capability against ground-based radar jamming sources to the Patriot system. The missile can fly an optimized (lofted) trajectory towards the jammer, and use its seeker to select the strongest emitter for terminal homing. The anti-aircraft/anti-missile capability is the same as for the MIM-104A."

Hope this helps

Maybe could i add some detail, was just playing Northern Fury when i realized this
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/26/2019 12:32:01 PM

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Hellos

Good detail here but its a tanker

Please adds A-12 Aotearoa [Tide] New Zealand 2020

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/04/royal-new-zealand-navys-aotearoa-auxiliary-ship-launched-in-south-korea/

quote:

At 173m long, the HMNZS Aotearoa is the largest ship the RNZN have ever had in the fleet. The vessel will carry 9,500 tonnes of fuel enough to �fill up� a frigate like the HMNZS TE MANA or TE KAHA 13.87 times. And she�ll be able to carry and operate a RNZAF NH90 helicopter.

She is the first ship to use the Rolls Royce�s Environship design, which includes a new wave-piercing hull for reduced resistance and fuel consumption. Capability features ice-strengthening and �winterisation� for operations in Antarctica. The HMNZS Aotearoa sensors package includes a Farsounder-1000 sonar and SharpEye S and X-Band navigation radars. The two Bergen Main Engines will allow a maximum speed of 16 knots and a range of about 6,400 nm.

The HMNZS Aotearoa now begins six months of fit out before her formal naming ceremony in October in Ulsan, South Korea, attended by the Governor-General of New Zealand and the ship sponsor, Dame Patsy Reddy. The Commissioning of the ship will take place at the Devonport Naval Base in Auckland in early 2020.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/26/2019 12:56:46 PM

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Some out of service dates

#1795 #Endeavor 2017

https://www.navalnews.com/naval-news/2019/04/royal-new-zealand-navys-aotearoa-auxiliary-ship-launched-in-south-korea/

#2655 Cassard 2020

Cassard out of service done (March 2019). Jean Bart next within next year 2020. FREMM AAW/FREDA replace.

https://twitter.com/FranceJordanie/status/1105106449636753409

#1121 Georges Leygues [Type F70] 2019

Last decommissioned in January 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Leygues-class_frigate

#1479 Primaguet [Type F70] 2020

First decommissioned already. Last 2 within next year and half.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Georges_Leygues-class_frigate

#902 Tourville 2013

All out of service by 2013

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tourville-class_frigate

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/26/2019 6:36:37 PM

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Hello,

Please add the updated version of the SAMP/T SAM system, called SAMP/T NG

Basically a clone of facility#230, but with Aster 30 Block I (weapon #681, which BTW is missing the ABM hit-to-kill tag) instead of the Aster 30, and a new Ground Fire300 radar instead of the Arabel
Ground Fire 300 is a rotating AESA, with a search range of 400km. It's based on the same technology as the Sea Fire radar so it operates in S band.
IOC in 2025 in France
source:
http://forcesoperations.com/de-nouveaux-yeux-pour-le-futur-sampt-ng/

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/28/2019 2:58:27 AM

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Seems I'm unable to post links but here goes with a few issues I've found related to Desert Storm era units.

CH-124B Sea King, these shouldn't have dipping sonar, instead they were fitted for passive sonobuoys.

S-3B (not sure about the A) carried ADM-141A TALD on the first night of Desert Storm.

A-6E was the first aircraft to deploy AGM-84E SLAM (don't think it was a standard setup as missile control was handed over to an A-7E with data-link pod but between Desert Storm and the A-6E's retirement in the mid-90s at least some were equipped to carry SLAMs)

F-111E according to what I read was going to be setup to carry LGBs using buddy illumination from F-4E fitted with PAVE TACK pods.

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/28/2019 4:45:36 AM

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Just Thought
Any Chances adding hypothetical Ticonderoga class from Mk26 classes to VLS like e.g: CG 47 Ticonderoga Mk26, CG 49 Vincennes Mk26 to having VLS instead Mk26 Launcher, like the CG 52 Bunker Hill and onwards

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/28/2019 5:17:27 AM

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And maybe adding
3DELRR as is set to replace TPS-75

Source:
https://insidedefense.com/daily-news/air-force-confirms-3delrr-acquisition-baseline-set-late-april
https://www.defensenews.com/air/2017/05/11/raytheon-awarded-3delrr-radar-contract-for-second-time
https://www.raytheon.com/capabilities/products/3delrr
https://www.monch.com/mpg/news/12-c5i/1506-raytheon3delrr.html
https://www.militaryaerospace.com/articles/2017/05/radar-missiles-unmanned.html
https://www.airforce-technology.com/news/newsraytheon-wins-contract-to-develop-3delrr-for-usaf-5813631/

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/28/2019 10:46:55 AM

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quote:

Seems I'm unable to post links but here goes with a few issues I've found related to Desert Storm era units.
CH-124B Sea King, these shouldn't have dipping sonar, instead they were fitted for passive sonobuoys.
S-3B (not sure about the A) carried ADM-141A TALD on the first night of Desert Storm.
A-6E was the first aircraft to deploy AGM-84E SLAM (don't think it was a standard setup as missile control was handed over to an A-7E with data-link pod but between Desert Storm and the A-6E's retirement in the mid-90s at least some were equipped to carry SLAMs)
F-111E according to what I read was going to be setup to carry LGBs using buddy illumination from F-4E fitted with PAVE TACK pods.

Some of these would be quite useful for Northern Fury. Can you PM the links to me and I'll post.

Thanks

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/28/2019 6:19:26 PM

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here are the Links from IrvingMainway

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorsky_CH-124_Sea_King#Variants SeaKing (while not mentioned here as best as I can remember the B variant of the Sea King originated some time in the late-70s to early-80s but pre-dates the Gulf War mod where they were fitted with FLIR + Decoys)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_S-3_Viking#Operational_history (specifically mentions the S-3B and I'd be inclined to think that its probably only that variant which was TALD capable since, as best I can recall the A doesn't have the under-wing hardpoints.)

https://www.dstorm.eu/pages/en/other/builds/ben_f-111e_68-0026.html
https://www.dstorm.eu/pages/en/usa/f-4e.html (hardly a solid source but it adds up)

https://www.ausairpower.net/TE-PGM-ODS-92.html (SLAM operations are mentioned under the Electro-Optically Guided Missiles section)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Grumman_A-6_Intruder#A-6E

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/29/2019 2:39:59 AM

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ORIGINAL: Pancor

Just Thought
Any Chances adding hypothetical Ticonderoga class from Mk26 classes to VLS like e.g: CG 47 Ticonderoga Mk26, CG 49 Vincennes Mk26 to having VLS instead Mk26 Launcher, like the CG 52 Bunker Hill and onwards

Is there a reason you can't just use the CG 52 Bunker Hill entry and rename it to be the ship you want?

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/29/2019 3:51:07 AM

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Difference on the Baseline model

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/29/2019 6:31:21 AM

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Difference on the Baseline model

Care to elaborate?

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/29/2019 7:45:17 AM

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But i do not insist as it just a hypothetical thought so its ok i just use the alternative
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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/29/2019 8:22:46 PM

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Su-34 OECM loadout:

The Su-34 OECM loadout should include 1 SAP-14 "escort jamming pod" and 2 SAP-518 "self protection ECM pod".

The current DB loadout has only the SAP-14.

http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Fullback.html

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 4/30/2019 8:48:11 PM

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Possible error in the SA-8 /SA-N-4 GECKO series. (Weapon_850; Weapon_574; Weapon_1422; Weapon_1829; Weapon_1828; Weapon_2043). These are listed in the database as using SARH homing. In fact, they use command guidance with the POPGROUP (SA-N-4 series) or the LAND ROLL-series FC system (SA-8 series) The following citations confirm the command guidance:

Friedman, N., & Friedman, N. (1997). The Naval Institute Guide to World Naval Weapon Systems. Annapolis, MD: Naval Institute Press, pg. 403-04,
https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-9K33-Osa.html;
https://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Engagement-Fire-Control.html#mozTocId855842;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/9K33_Osa, stating "The 9M33 missiles are 3.158 m (10.3 ft) long, weigh 126 kg (278 lb) and use command guidance."

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 5/1/2019 11:03:47 PM

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We have an update regarding the F-35's upcoming capability to carry 6x AMRAAMs internally - only the F-35A and F-35C variants will be compatible with the required rack / adapter:

https://seapowermagazine.org/lockheed-develops-rack-to-make-f-35a-c-a-six-shooter/

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 5/2/2019 1:56:07 PM

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Update for FFH 150 ANZAC
ANZAC Mid-life CAPability assurance programme (AMCAP)

Source:
https://asiapacificdefencereporter.com/anzac-midlife-capability-assurance-program/
http://news.navy.gov.au/en/May2018/Fleet/4616/Arunta-upgrade-marks-milestone-for-frigates.htm#.XMr17RQzbcc
https://www.naval-technology.com/news/rans-anzac-class-frigate-hmas-arunta-undergoes-amcap/
http://news.navy.gov.au/en/Nov2018/Fleet/4958/Arunta%E2%80%99s-mast-replacement-marks-milestone-in-frigate-upgrade.htm#.XMr1GRQzbcc
https://venturaapdr.partica.online/apdr/apdr-december-2018/features/anzac-midlife-capability-assurance-program
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anzac-class_frigate#Australian_modifications

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RE: Stickied thread for minor database issues? - 5/3/2019 8:38:32 AM

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ORIGINAL: IrvingMainway

Seems I'm unable to post links but here goes with a few issues I've found related to Desert Storm era units.

CH-124B Sea King, these shouldn't have dipping sonar, instead they were fitted for passive sonobuoys.

S-3B (not sure about the A) carried ADM-141A TALD on the first night of Desert Storm.

A-6E was the first aircraft to deploy AGM-84E SLAM (don't think it was a standard setup as missile control was handed over to an A-7E with data-link pod but between Desert Storm and the A-6E's retirement in the mid-90s at least some were equipped to carry SLAMs)

F-111E according to what I read was going to be setup to carry LGBs using buddy illumination from F-4E fitted with PAVE TACK pods.

Hi there,

To make these changes I'll need some references.

Please PM me with details.

Edit: Missed Gunners post with the references

< Message edited by apache85 -- 5/5/2019 11:43:48 PM >

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Canada CH-124 Sea-King - 5/4/2019 2:00:24 AM

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In relation to above, found this:

VARIANTS:

CH-124 - This was the original helicopter ordered for the RCN. Out of the forty-one aircraft, four were assembled were assembled by Sikorsky and thirty-seven by United Aircraft of Canada. A �Gulf Mods� defensive aids package was mounted on six CH-124 airframes. Most of the work focused on prolonging airframe life, replacing some of the avionics which were no longer logistically supportable.

CH-124A - After a decade of service, the sub-hunting electronics and radar of Canadian Sea Kings were obsolescent. In 1972, the Sea King Improvement Program (SKIP) began. The CH-124A (as SKIP Sea Kings were redesignated) had a new surveillance radar (Litton AN/APS-503) with a distinctive fuselage-top radome and largely modernized avionics as well as improved safety features. Improvements were made to the dipping sonar and sonobuoy chutes added in the late �70s. This mid-life rebuild, performed by United Aircraft of Canada, brought CH-124As up to then-current standards for Sea Kings in other navies.

CH-124B - In the mid-�80s, six CH-124As were converted into �Bravos�. In 2006, the five aircraft of this variant were converted to support the Standing Contingency Task Force (SCTF), and were modified with additional troop seats and frequency agile radios. A Vertical Insertion Search and Inspection Team (VISIT) capability was practised ,but , plans to install EAPSNIPS (Engine Air Particle Separator / Snow & Ice Particle Separator) did not come to fruition. The CH-124Bs differed in ASW kit. Whereas �Alphas� used active sonar (dipping or active sonobuoys), the �Bravos� employed passive sonobuoy processing.

CH-124B2 - Six CH-124B's were upgraded to the CH-124B2 standard in 1991-1992. The revised CH-124B2 retained the sonobuoy processing gear to passively detect submarines. The passive sonobuoy capability was used to localize submarine contacts detected by the ships� passive Towed Array Sonar (TAS). Since anti-submarine warfare is no longer a major priority within the Canadian Forces, the CH-124B2s were refitted again to become improvised troop carriers for the newly formed Standing Contingency Task Force. The SCTF is a high-readiness special operations force meant to be ready to deploy within 10 days notice.

CH-124C - One CH-124C is operated by the Helicopter Operational Test and Evaluation Facility (HOTEF) located at CFB Shearwater. It is used for testing new gear, and when not testing new gear, it is deployable to any Canadian Forces ship requiring a helicopter. This helicopter is rotated periodically with other helicopters in the fleet.

CH-124U - Unofficial designation for four CH-124's that were modified for passenger/ freight transport by the IMP Group, Halifax. One crashed in 1973. The surviving aircraft were later refitted to become CH-124A's. One of them is the single "water bird". It has all non-essential avionics removed and non-critical holes permanently covered over with plates. It is used for training the pilots in ditching and single-engine water take-off techniques in MacDonald's Lake. This lake is located on the east side of the main Shearwater runway. The water bird can be easily identified in photos as a result of yellow tape which has been applied to seal the access bay panels and the passenger door seals. The water bird is actually a different aircraft for each water bird training season. Canadian Sea King pilots undergo one hour of waterbird training yearly. All that training has been instrumental in the successful ditching and in some cases subsequent recovery, of several helicopters at sea. All of these "U" variants could be reconfigured to ASW status in fairly short order.

http://jproc.ca/rrp/rrp3/seaking.html

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