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ORIGINAL: DESRON420

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

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ORIGINAL: DESRON420

Some F-35-related suggestions:

1. External short-range 24x and long-range 16x SDB and SDB II loadouts

Thanks for your input Desron, do you know if this will be an operational loadout?

I don't know if this will be an operational loadout. I'm extrapolating from:

+ Cobham BRU-61/A Small Diameter Bomb Carriage System brochure
"Currently in service on F-15E with integration ongoing on F/A-22, F-35, and F-16."

+ March 4-11/14: FY15 Budget/ R&D via http://www.defenseindustrydaily.com/raytheon-wins-usas-gbu-53-small-diameter-bomb-competition-06510/
“The Joint Miniature Munitions Bomb Rack Unit (JMM BRU) is an Air Force (AF) led ACAT III program. It is required for the Department of the Navy’s (DoN) carriage of the SDB II weapon in the internal bay of the F-35B and F-35C…. The BRU-61/A, currently in production in the AF, does not meet the needs to operate with SDB II within the F-35 internal bay in the DoN environment. The JMM BRU, designated BRU-61A/A, fills the capability gap….”

+ 2x stations for BRU-61/A (9/3) in long-range configuration and 4x stations for BRU-61/A (10/9/3/2) from the diagram on http://theaviationist.com/2015/01/16/f-35-weapons-suite/

+ 4x SDB-II per BRU-61/A

Note that at 1460 lb loaded, the BRU-61/A + 4x SDB-II barely fits under the STOVL weight requirement on the outboard A/G pylons (10/2), so it might be possible to see F-35B with 16x external SDB-II prior to the F-35B modifications for internal SDB-II carriage.

Will work on getting more info about AARGM-ER.

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ORIGINAL: WARMONGER1944

I miss all those lovely Chinese & DPRK drones/UAVs...

Developer "Command: Modern Air/Naval Operations" project!

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ORIGINAL: DESRON420

I'd like to propose an alternate depiction of S-300PMU/S-400 systems that adds granularity and versatility for scenario designers.

I am not a Russian speaker or a professional analyst, and I would appreciate corrections to the below if I have included inaccuracies. I have relied on the monograph 'Russian Ballistic Missile Defense: Rhetoric and Reality' by Keir Giles at http://www.strategicstudiesinstitute.army.mil/pdffiles/PUB1277.pdf , the SAM battery/battalion configuration descriptions at http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-Rus-SAM-Site-Configs-B.html and http://www.ausairpower.net/APA-S-400-Triumf.html , and the S-400 deployment and semi-official Russian state media sheets linked at http://theaviationist.com/2015/11/13/s-400-triumf-infographic/ .

This alternate depiction involves four changes from the existing setup.


#1. Add individual S-400 batteries, each comprising

4x 5P85/5P90 TEL
1x 92N6 GRAVE STONE FC radar
1x 96L6 search radar (optional)

and add an S-400 battalion headquarters unit comprising

1x 55K6 command post
1x 91N6 BIG BIRD search / battle management radar

This will decentralize S-400 systems, add flexibility to scenario designers, come closer to the apparent scale on which individual units are deployed, and make S-400 units harder to take out with single massive saturation attacks.

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ORIGINAL: DESRON420
#2. Expand the range of missiles available to the 5P85/5P90 TELs to include

48N6E - 1 / tube slot
48N6E2 - 1 / tube slot
48N6E3 - 1 / tube slot
40N6E - 1 / tube slot?
9M96E - 4 / tube slot
9M96E2 - 4 / tube slot

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ORIGINAL: DESRON420
#3. Tweak the SAM ranges somewhat:

48N6E3/DM: 130-140 nm range as opposed to current 80 nm range
9M96E2: Add with 9M96E stats and extended 50-65 nm range against aerodynamic targets

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ORIGINAL: DESRON420
#4. Set the default 5P85/5P90 TEL loadout to 4x 48N6E2/3. The 40N6 is still in the realm of speculation and has never been photographed in the wild.

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ORIGINAL: Hongjian

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ORIGINAL: Triode

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ORIGINAL: Dysta



I think I need Triode's help for a recent news from "PLA Daily", about 051C's S-300FM conducted the anti-ship test since 2015

Actually it is nothing special, all russian naval SAM have anti-surface capability (even small, like SA-N-4), land based SAM also have this ability

But the question is whether the S-300FM/48N6 has the ability to engage surface targets beyond horizon as well?
IIRC, the DB3000 they are limited to 25 nmi in anti-surface mode, simulating the limitations of LOS-based fire control radars.

Wikipedia at least states that the S-300FM onboard the Kirov-class (and hence also the Type 051C, as they have the same SAM) is equipped with an infra-red sensor as well to make it capable of engaging beyond horizon surface or low-flying/sea-skimming targets.

Your opinion?

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ORIGINAL: Dysta

Making a scenario which is involved with laser dazzling/blinding from non-military side/units, intend to jam their "Mk1 Eyeball"s.





Suggestion:

Generic Laser Dazzler (<10W) -- effective to jam Mk1 Eyeball, but not at other optical equipments
Generic Laser Dazzler (10-50W) -- effective to jam Mk1 Eyeball in longer range, as well as some IR and NV equipments
Generic Laser Dazzler (50-100W) -- same as below 50W class, but potentially damage sensors in close range

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ORIGINAL: CrazyIvan101

Would it be possible to add in the GBI's at Fort Greely as new import along with the new AN/FPS-132 UEWR radar at its respective locations? (Beale Air Force Base, California, RAF Fylingdales, United Kingdom, Thule Site J (Thule Air Base), Greenland, Clear Air Force Station, Alaska, and Cape Cod Air Force Station, Massachusetts). These new Radars have range of 3000 miles and "are integrated into the Ballistic Missile Defense System (BMDS). The upgrades modernized the hardware and software to improve midcourse BMDS sensor coverage by providing critical early warning, tracking, object classification and cueing data." These new Radars are able to directly cue GBI's to a target. However currently GBI's only have a datalink with a range of 220 miles.

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ORIGINAL: AdderStrike

The USN is moving ahead with the purchase of UAV's to be deployed from subs. This would be an incredible addition to the game. Any chance?

THE PENTAGON — U.S. attack and guided missile submarine are set to field miniature unmanned aerial vehicles that will act as the eyes and ears not only for the boats below water but also help special operations forces and strike aircraft target weapons, the Navy’s Director of Undersea Warfare told USNI News last week.

As part of the Fiscal Year 2017 budget submission to Congress, the Navy is asking for small Blackwing UAVs to be launched from attack and guided missile submarines, the Navy’s director for undersea warfare Rear Adm. Charles Richard told USNI News.

“So there’s 150 small unmanned aerial systems coming in on submarines, so we’re now buying them,” Richard said. “It’s not something that you would [just] see on a PowerPoint presentation. These are fully integrated they’ll go in talk back to the ship, talk to the combat control system and additionally we’ll have 12 of a 21-inch torpedo tube launched vehicles with much longer launched duration.”

2013 PEO Subs Slide on AWESUM Program. NAVSEA Image
2013 PEO Subs Slide on AWESUM Program. NAVSEA Image

According to a follow-on statement provided by the Navy, “the three-inch canister launched UAVs are part of Advanced Weapons Enhanced by Submarine UAS against Mobile targets (AWESUM) demonstrates submarine launch, data sharing and control across the Joint Force.”

The current year budget move is set to further operationalize a years-long program to use small UAVs from attack and guided missile boats.

Naval Sea Systems Command Program Executive Officer Subs briefed the AWESUM program publically in late 2013 and outlined the work with U.S. special operations forces (SOF) and the U.S Air Force.

The briefing slides from late 2013 indicated the Blackwings would communicate with a submarines antennas and could provide third party targeting information to aircraft through Link 16 data links. In addition to the targeting function, the UAVs could also possibly be weaponized as a defensive measure for submarines operating in the littorals.

The miniature UAVs are launched through the boats’ existing systems it uses for acoustic countermeasures and have a flight endurance of less than an hour, according to the 2013 presentation.

NRL's XFC Sea Robin demonstration in August 2013. US Navy Photo
NRL’s XFC Sea Robin demonstration in August 2013. US Navy Photo

In 2013, the Navy Research Lab (NRL) also tested larger Sea Robin UAV, powered by fuel-cell technology and launched from a modified Tomahawk Land Attack Missile canister.

I would post the link, but currently I am unable to do so.

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ORIGINAL: Supreme 2.0

Update on the Brazilian Gripen weapons fit.

http://www.janes.com/article/59211/fidae-2016-rafael-prepares-to-begin-integrating-its-weapons-aboard-gripen-fighters-for-brazil

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

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ORIGINAL: DESRON420
#3. Tweak the SAM ranges somewhat:

48N6E3/DM: 130-140 nm range as opposed to current 80 nm range
9M96E2: Add with 9M96E stats and extended 50-65 nm range against aerodynamic targets

Sources please?

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ORIGINAL: emsoy

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ORIGINAL: DESRON420

#1. Add individual S-400 batteries, each comprising

4x 5P85/5P90 TEL
1x 92N6 GRAVE STONE FC radar
1x 96L6 search radar (optional)

and add an S-400 battalion headquarters unit comprising

1x 55K6 command post
1x 91N6 BIG BIRD search / battle management radar

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Isn't this exactly how the db is split today? We have 8x and 12x TEL battalions, because that seems to be what they're using atm.

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SAM Plt/2 (Multi Mission Launcher / IFPC Inc 2-I Block 1) -- United States (Army), 2019-0, 2x MML + 1x AN/MPQ-64F1 Improved Sentinel

Mounts:
1x AN/MPQ-64F1 Improved Sentinel

2x Multi Mission Launcher
ROF 2
Capacity 15

Weapons:
AIM-9X-2 Sidewinder Blk II
- Default Load: 15
- Max Load: 15
- ROF 2

Tamir
- Default Load: 0
- Max Load: 15
- ROF 2

FIM-92E Stinger RMP Blk I
- Default Load: 0
- Max Load: 15
- ROF 2

RGM-114L Hellfire II
- Default Load: 0
- Max Load: 15
- ROF 2

MHTK Active Radar
- Default Load: 0
- Max Load: 135 (9 x cell)
- ROF 2
- Range 2.5-3.0 km (estimated from EAPS brochure linked above)

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PM 01 Teshio
Pennants: PM 01 Natsui (ex-Teshio), PM 02 Kitakami, PM 03 Echizen; PM 04 Tokachi; PM 05 Hitachi; PM 06 Okitsu; PM 07 Isazu; PM 08 Chitose; PM 09 Kuwano; PM 10 Sorachi; PM 11 Yubari; PM 12 Motoura; PM 13 Kano; PM 14 Sendai
Operational dates: 1980-present
Displacement: 630 tons normal; 670 full load
Dimensions: 67.8 m. x 7.9 m. x 2.7 m.
Main machinery: 2 Fusi 6S32F or Arakata 6M31E diesels; 3,650 hp; 2 shafts
Speed: 18 knots
Range: 3,200 naut. miles at 16 knots
Complement: 33
Guns: 1 JN-61B 20mm Gatling gun (mounted fore)
Radars: Navigation: 2 JMA 159B; I-band
Does not appear to have any facilities for aircraft

Thanks for considering these! Like the US, Japan (and also India) has a large coast guard to protect its large EEZ, and its vessels and aircraft see a fair amount of action.

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ORIGINAL: Mgellis

I've been playing around with ideas for a scenario involving the Japanese coast guard and North Korean ships engaged in espionage and/or criminal activities like dumping toxic waste. I've tried to dig up some information for a few representative classes in the Japanese coast guard.

The Shiretoko is one of those "backbone" classes; it has been active since the late seventies, chugging along, loyal but not flashy, guarding the coasts and EEZ, with a total of 22 ships in the class, probably one of the most commonly seen vessels in the JCG. So, here is the data (there are actually three sub-classes with slightly different weapons), and I hope they can be included in the DB someday. The class does not appear to have any aircraft facilities. Thanks!

PL 101 Shiretoko
Dates of service: 1978-present
Displacement: 1360t
Dimensions: 78.0 m. x9.6 m. x 3.2 m,
Main machinery: 2 diesels, 7000hp (Janes lists the engines as 2 x Fuji 8S40B providing 8,120 hp, if it matters)
Speed: 20 kts
Range 4400 naut. miles at 17 knots
Complement: 41
Guns:

PL 101-104: 1x1-40mm Bofors; 1x1-20mm Oerlikon

PL 106-117, 119-121, 123: 1x1-40mm Bofors

PL 118, 122, 124-128: 1x1-35mm Oerlikon

Radar: JMA 1576, JMA 1596
Pennants: PL101 Shiretoko; PL102 Esan; PL103 Wakasa; PL104 Kii; PL107 Matsushima; PL109 Shikine; PL110 Suruga; PL111 Rebun; PL114 Tosa; PL115 Noto; PL117 Iwami; PL118 Shimokita; PL119 Suzuka; PL120 Kunisaki; PL121 Amagi; PL122 Goto; PL123 Koshiki; PL124 Hateruma; PL125 Katori; PL126 Kunigami; PL127 Etomo; PL128 Yonakuni

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ORIGINAL: Mgellis

Another of the more common classes in the Japanese coast guard...

PL 02 Ojika <-- sorry, spelling has been corrected
Dates of service: 1991-present
Pennants: PL 02 Erimo (ex-Ojika; the class is sometimes called the Erimo-class rather than the Okija-class); PL 03 Kudaka; PL 04 Yahiko; PL 05 Dejima; PL 06 Kurikoma; PL 07 Satauma; PL 08 Tosa
Displacement: 1883 tons
Dimensions: 91.4 m. x 11 m. x 3.5 m.
Main machinery: 2 Fuji 8S40B diesels; 7000 hp; 2 shafts; 2 bow thrusters
Speed: 18 knots
Range: 4,400 naut. miles at 15 knots
Complement: 38
Guns: 1 Oerlikon 35mm/90; 1 20mm JM-61B Gatling gun (both appear to be mounted fore)
Radar: Navigation: JMA 1596; I-band
Helicopter: Platform (no hanger) for 1 Bell 212 or Super Puma (10-ton helicopter)

According to Janes, "Equipped as SAR command ships. SATCOM fitted. 30 ton bollard pull. Stern dock for RIB." <-- it's hard to tell, but I am guessing there is only room for 1 7-meter RHIB.

Note: there is some disagreement about specifications. http://www.navypedia.org/naval_balance/japan.htm lists some different specifications and suggests that the Ojika-class should be broken up into two separate classes. I decided to use the information in Janes, as that seems more authoritative, but I thought I should provide the link just in case.

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PL 02 Ojika

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ORIGINAL: Zaslon

It's strange but I never saw in DB3K a russian AA loadout with IR versions of R-23/24 and R-27. IR versions exist in the database but they aren't used in loadouts.

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ORIGINAL: KLAB

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MiG-23 various versions,
Following images in books;
OKB Mikoyan ISBN 978-1-85780-307-5 Page 259. MiG-23 prototype with R-23T.
and on Page 537. Airshow demo photo of MiG-29 SE with R-27ET as it appears later MiG-29's
could use R-27ET. Can't find in service aircraft photo for this configuration though.

Soviet Russian Aircraft weapons ISBN 1-85780-188-1 Page 44. Photo of MiG-23 with R-23T.

JANES ALL THE WORLD'S AIRCRAFT 1995. ISBN 0-7106-1160-9 Page 325. Polish AF MiG-23 MF Flogger B. R-23/24T. This is probably the best evidence as if even the WP client states have R-23/24T it's a pretty sure bet the Russians did.

So perhaps the USSR/RUAF & WP MiG-23 loads could be amended to include :
1 x R-23/24T & 1 X R-23/24R Apex and 2-4 x R-60 Aphid /R-13 Atoll, depending on operational dates?

I do more research when time permits.

Thanks,

K