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ORIGINAL: Greyshaft

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ORIGINAL: LargusMeans
Eric has edited every post he's made, and I can't find where it says that the license restrictions prevent how they sell the game by forcing players to have to get physical copies. From what I remember from his post, all it mentioned was the licensing agreement was that they couldn't sell the game for a lesser price when buying a DD due to it hurting the value of the board game. Most of us have repeatedly stated, that's not what we want

...If you want a cheaper product then go and find one and play it instead. Strategic Command maybe? It's a great game but not in the same league as MWiF so I'm sure you can get it for less money

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ORIGINAL: Mynok
But it is easy to deduce why they won't do for this game what they have done for every other game.

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ORIGINAL: WIF_Killzone

IMHO, I think its a class act to publish a hardcopy, I have often looked forward to purchasing a game only to find a cd/dvd/download contained in a giant box. I will happily pay the $199 (my guess) to have it, and the maps, bonus. Can't buy class, your born with it.

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

It's crazy.
I just spoke to my colleague who has a sister living in Washington; maybe I'll order and send the manuals to her place. It's almost winter I'm sure she has a fireplace somewhere :)

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ORIGINAL: Hertston

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

It's crazy.
I just spoke to my colleague who has a sister living in Washington; maybe I'll order and send the manuals to her place. It's almost winter I'm sure she has a fireplace somewhere :)

After six pages of this thread I still can't see a coherent, let alone convincing, argument for there not being a same-price d/d only release. There would be no devaluation in anything. The alleged superiority of the printed page over a .pdf is opinion, not fact. All that is necessary is just not to mail the manuals. Throw them in the trash. Donate them to Fleming's colleague's sister as firelighters. Even keep them in stock to cut down on costs of the next print run (radical, huh?).

Personally, I'm hanging on either till a more sensible method of distribution to the UK is found, or for the direct download only option U-turn I fully expect to see as soon as Slitherine/Matrix think they can get away with without pissing too many people off. The 'people who have already paid' argument against doesn't hold as exactly the same will apply to future shipping of the manuals from within Europe. As with the weekly deals, keep banging away long enough and it will hopefully sink in.

Keep the paper manuals, I don't want the bloody things - let alone a map I don't even have room to unfold.

As the man says, crazy.

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ORIGINAL: Hertston

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

It's crazy.
I just spoke to my colleague who has a sister living in Washington; maybe I'll order and send the manuals to her place. It's almost winter I'm sure she has a fireplace somewhere :)

After six pages of this thread I still can't see a coherent, let alone convincing, argument for there not being a same-price d/d only release. There would be no devaluation in anything. The alleged superiority of the printed page over a .pdf is opinion, not fact. All that is necessary is just not to mail the manuals. Throw them in the trash. Donate them to Fleming's colleague's sister as firelighters. Even keep them in stock to cut down on costs of the next print run (radical, huh?).

Personally, I'm hanging on either till a more sensible method of distribution to the UK is found, or for the direct download only option U-turn I fully expect to see as soon as Slitherine/Matrix think they can get away with without pissing too many people off. The 'people who have already paid' argument against doesn't hold as exactly the same will apply to future shipping of the manuals from within Europe. As with the weekly deals, keep banging away long enough and it will hopefully sink in.

Keep the paper manuals, I don't want the bloody things - let alone a map I don't even have room to unfold.

As the man says, crazy.

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ORIGINAL: Hertston

The 'people who have already paid' argument against doesn't hold as exactly the same will apply to future shipping of the manuals from within Europe.

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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ORIGINAL: Erik Rutins
So our first thought was how to do justice to this game and give the WIF community something special. The hard-bound volumes, the first hard-bound large full color volumes Matrix Games has ever released, are the first part. The biggest wargame map possibly ever printed is the second part. We feel those are a key part of doing this release right. Removing the hard-bound volumes, even though they are costly to print, would not have resulted in a significantly reduced price due to the time that this was in development. By doing this we actually reduced our profit margin per unit as the planned price point has always been in this range. We decided to add in the manuals and the map pack to make it the best release possible.

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian
But if it's not the answer you want............................................. oh well.

well, it's not really that it is not the answer I want, it is just that it makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. It is like a car manufacturer saying that "we think this car only looks good in black, so that's the only color we're going to make". ("You can have any color as long as it is black". That was a great solution...in 1900...

So what next? Matrix determines that player's can't properly enjoy a game without a 40" monitor, so you need to buy one of those too? Or maybe that I can't enjoy a Russian front game unless I'm wearing a fur hat? Give me a break...

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian
Making sense is subjective. I certainly see where they are coming from. So to me, it makes sense.

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian
The any color as long as it's black comment does not. We're not talking how Model Ts went from color choices to one because the black paint dried faster that say, Brewster green, (day and a half vs two weeks.) Nor are we talking about a car that at its height was produced at the rate of 1 every 10 seconds.

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ORIGINAL: Aurelian
And way back when, I had to buy a CD drive to play TIE Fighter. And a DVD drive for games that required one. So what? It's a hobby.)

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ORIGINAL: Neilster
Steve has said that one of the reasons for the hardcopy manuals is to facilitate gameplay on one monitor. The manuals have really handy appendices that can prevent screen real-estate being taken up with stuff they contain. They're cheaper than buying a second monitor.

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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ORIGINAL: Neilster
Steve has said that one of the reasons for the hardcopy manuals is to facilitate gameplay on one monitor. The manuals have really handy appendices that can prevent screen real-estate being taken up with stuff they contain. They're cheaper than buying a second monitor.

Sorry, but the arguments are getting more ridiculous all the time. It is much easier for me to keep my iPad at my side at my computer with the manuals than to have to prop open a bunch of paper manuals. This is NOT the kind of decision a game developer should be making for customers.

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ORIGINAL: Neilster


The views of the digital download people have been repeatedly and forcefully expressed. I'm sure the powers that be have noted them.

Cheers, Neilster

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ORIGINAL: bairdlander

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ORIGINAL: Neilster


The views of the digital download people have been repeatedly and forcefully expressed. I'm sure the powers that be have noted them.

Cheers, Neilster

Then why no response?Again,there is no valid reason that this cannot be dd with the option of getting the books if one chooses like every other game released.The giant map is optional,so why not the books.We still have not been given a valid reason from Matrix and I dont think they will give one because there is no reason.I was realley looking forward to this,but its a big letdown.

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ORIGINAL: 76mm
Sorry, but the arguments are getting more ridiculous all the time.

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ORIGINAL: Neilster
Which is great if you have a tablet/laptop. Isn't this actually only costing you $9? What's your time worth? You must have spent hours blowing up over this.

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

Steve has said that one of the reasons for the hardcopy manuals is to facilitate gameplay on one monitor. The manuals have really handy appendices that can prevent screen real-estate being taken up with stuff they contain. They're cheaper than buying a second monitor.

The game can still be played on a single monitor but the manuals will really help there.

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ORIGINAL: bairdlander

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

Steve has said that one of the reasons for the hardcopy manuals is to facilitate gameplay on one monitor. The manuals have really handy appendices that can prevent screen real-estate being taken up with stuff they contain. They're cheaper than buying a second monitor.

The game can still be played on a single monitor but the manuals will really help there.

From the 7 wow's "During a game you don’t need to leaf through the Players Manual looking for how to use, just click on the Help button to bring up the text from the Players Manual" so your arguement for the books is bolla bolla

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ORIGINAL: Neilster

I just have bigger things to worry about than a few tens of dollars for a wargame that I know I am going to play for thousands of hours.

If I take a woman out to dinner and buy a couple of bottles of wine, it will cost me far more than that with nothing tangible to show for it.

Cheers, Neilster

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ORIGINAL: radic202

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ORIGINAL: Hertston

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ORIGINAL: Fleming

It's crazy.
I just spoke to my colleague who has a sister living in Washington; maybe I'll order and send the manuals to her place. It's almost winter I'm sure she has a fireplace somewhere :)

After six pages of this thread I still can't see a coherent, let alone convincing, argument for there not being a same-price d/d only release. There would be no devaluation in anything. The alleged superiority of the printed page over a .pdf is opinion, not fact. All that is necessary is just not to mail the manuals. Throw them in the trash. Donate them to Fleming's colleague's sister as firelighters. Even keep them in stock to cut down on costs of the next print run (radical, huh?).

Personally, I'm hanging on either till a more sensible method of distribution to the UK is found, or for the direct download only option U-turn I fully expect to see as soon as Slitherine/Matrix think they can get away with without pissing too many people off. The 'people who have already paid' argument against doesn't hold as exactly the same will apply to future shipping of the manuals from within Europe. As with the weekly deals, keep banging away long enough and it will hopefully sink in.

Keep the paper manuals, I don't want the bloody things - let alone a map I don't even have room to unfold.

As the man says, crazy.

As per my other thread on the exorbitant shipping costs ( and I am on the same bloody continent where it is being shipped from?) I am going to hold off, such a shame though as I was ready to purchase the New Flashpoint Germany as well and in bolding your second comment, I will hold off that purchase as well.

In the Gaming World, If we can't use our wallets to voice our opinions, then what do we have left?

I remain loyal for now and will continue hoping.

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ORIGINAL: 76mm

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For the record, I decided to buy the game by having the books sent to my parents in the US for $9, which is tolerable (but still irritating because there is no need for it).

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ORIGINAL: are

The game is excellent and for old people like me (I'm 40 years old) the manuals are essential. I think the cost of the game was worth it, even with exorbitant shipping cost with Fed Ex (120 dollars to Norway!) - still I have 3 friends who play WIF who will not buy the game due to the shipping costs. And why not use USPS - I do not understand. They charge less than $30 to send a similar package across the ocean.

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ORIGINAL: LargusMeans

Long time reader/lurker, waiting for this for 10 years now after playing the original beta. Credit card ready, but purchase time and 158.65 CAD? $40+ for shipping for items I don't want or need? No thanks. I'll continue to play VASL.

And yes I own World in Flames The Final Edition, and no I don't want more crap and clutter in my life. Give me the option to buy the game for $111 digital edition and I'm sold. But I am not paying fedex $47 for shipping for a waste of energy, trees and products that will get recycled immediately. Inane stupidity.

Sorry Matrix, I have spent hundreds of dollars on your products, but not this time. Very poor approach when the same message is being told repeatedly, we don't mind paying the cost, but 40% shipping on top, forget it.

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ORIGINAL: GrimOne

I have to agree. I have spent hundreds of dollars on matrix games and I would like to buy WIF but no way am I going to pay an additional $50 bucks for shipping books I wont look at. That's what Ipads are for.
I mean even if there was an option to not have to pay shipping when you order the game and Matrix keeps the dam books - but you have to pay shipping to buy the game. This is crazy !.